Anti-Muslim Bigotry
Unfair Dealing: The Toronto Homegrown Terror Threat
Seems like Canada has been following suit in creating its own terrorist threats, in order to pad the security budgets and help fear-politics. Notice also how, like the other setups and entrapments in America, Muslim traitors are hired and paid significant amount of money in order to con other Muslims into “terrorist plots”.
I don’t know how these Muslims: Mubin Shaikh, alt. Sheikh, (the main mole), Wajid Khan (the politician) or Mr. X (the Agricultural engineer) can sleep at night, knowing that they set up their own brothers and led them into jails, away from their families and lives. Apparently though, Mubin is having some second-thoughts (perhaps with the cocaine effect wearing off), and he is reported, in the documentary, to be backing off some of his earlier claims. I hope Mubin, Wajid and Mr. X repent and ask forgiveness from Allah for hat they have brought unto others, undeservedly [Revised -MM Editor]. The documentary speaks for itself.
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Mubin Shaikh
March 25, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Muslims like us cant understand how fellow Muslims would want to serve Islam by killing hundreds of innocent people.
We CRINGE when people call us names in the street and while we shop for milk and bread. We HATE the fact that the beautiful Sunnah of the Beloved of Allah (Peace Be Upon Him) is now detested by even Muslims. Most of all, we are ANGERED by what we see in the world, happening to the Ummah.
BUT in the face of all the barbaric armies, with their absolute perverted methods and balatant duplicity in the belief of the Rule of Law – WE will never become injust.
SO – we stand up to those of our brethren who will hinder the not-yet-guided, from the Path of the Divine.
Islam WILL rule the world just like it did before – but it will not be through violence, cuz thats not how it happened the first time.
Just ASK yourself one question: what IF there is some truth to the government claim – will you actually stop pointing fingers at everyone else and finally at ourselves?
May Allah protect you from the trials of this world…remember: Allah does not burden a soul with what it cannot bear. This is a test for ALL of us.
As-salaamu Alaykum. MUBIN SHAIKH
Amad
March 25, 2008 at 1:44 PM
wasalam Mubin.
I am sorry but your grandiose rhetoric cannot take away from the injustice that you have inflicted upon others. How can an injustice be stopped/prevented with yet another injustice?
We stand against terrorism and extremism as much as anyone else. And if we saw some of our youth being affected by the extremist message, we would advise them and give them the correct information about the CORRECT Islam of moderation. Only if we see that they are not changing, will we take the necessary actions to prevent further injustice.
But, NEVER will we take our brothers and sisters by their hands, build upon misinformation that they might possess, and lead them into a trap set up for political expediency. That is called entrapment, not prevention. And there is no excuse for this under any circumstances, ethically OR islamically.
The documentary is damning in many ways. If you are questioning any of its findings or message, then that is what you need to address. There are so many issues with your actions, that I am not even sure where to start. For instance, did you take the money? If so, what do you think that says about your intentions of “protecting Canada” versus lining up your pockets?
And really who you need to answer to is the family of those you helped set up. And you need to answer to Allah and really be honest to yourself about your motivations.
May Allah bring the truth to the front and release those who have been unjustly imprisoned, if indeed the documentary is correct.
WM
March 25, 2008 at 1:59 PM
You have unjustly ruined the lives of our brothers, and lined your own pockets in the process. Think of what that makes you look like in the eyes of everyone, including the state that bankrolled your misadventures. -edited
awake
March 25, 2008 at 2:13 PM
Amad,
Are we to assume that Mr. Shaikh was recruited by the Canadian government and was compelled to randomly infiltrate a group of people without being subject to any prior suspicion? And on top of that, are you maintaining that not only did Shaikh infiltrate this group, but also was the prime motivator for the group’s intended plot?
They were under suspicion previously, before Shaikh’s involvement, weren’t they?
Amad
March 25, 2008 at 2:27 PM
awake, you need to see the documentary. I am going by what is presented in it, and it is pretty convincing.
Under suspicion is one thing, recruiting someone to take them to actually arranging the whole plot is quite another.
I am hoping that the judicial system will work out in Canada and sort this one out. If it is as obvious as it sounds, then I am hopeful, though not convinced (because Muslims hardly get fair trials these days) that they will be declared innocent.
Mubin Shaikh
March 25, 2008 at 2:30 PM
I’m not going to go too much into it but it keeps coming back to ONE assumption: that I set them up – and for money.
All I can say is this is EASILY proven or not: did Mubin Shaikh MAKE THEM, in any way, do what they would not normally do?
I agree with you: to entrap is Nifaaq no doubt. And I did not entrap, as is my claim.
I am PRAYING the publication ban is defeated so I can say I told you so to the whole community. No one more than me wants this stuff to come out – and any documentary on the subject is SPECULATION.
And to AMAD, I say: you CLAIM you are against terrorism but you again ASSUME I set them up with misinformation – first PROVE this, THEN your conclusion will follow.
Phoning the police and telling on a Muslim is not enough – do you know how many Middle Eastern police states imprison people on simple say-so? Trust me: Muslims are calling the RCMP on other Muslims all the time – but a telephone tip is not evidence (thank Allah)
And WM: I dont care what people think: in my 20+ years of free community work – I have never done things for people’ sake only for Allah’s (as much as is in my ability).
The community looks worse for taking the path of denial so when Muslims stand up and say we are against terrorism – then put our hands in our pockets and heads in the sand when it comes to proving it – we leave OUR mess to the kuffar to clean up.
Thanks, but I dont trust them that much. ;)
And AMAD, I have not gone back on ANYTHING I have said – when asked, I will say the exact same thing as I did before and InshaAllah, the verdicts that follow the case, will reflect just what I said. I answer to NO ONE except Allah. He has made me stronger by helping me overcome a rough time.
Guess we’ll have to wait and see.
May Allah return the Izzah of the Ummah to its rightful place. AMeen.
Zaynab
March 25, 2008 at 2:39 PM
Jazak Allah khayr for posting this, we need this video to spread as far as possible.
Abu Alee
March 25, 2008 at 3:08 PM
Lol Mubin you got totally exposed in this vid, you admit to living a life of women, clubbing and drugs, 5 tattoos, 12 self inflicted cigarette burns, spying and then setting up young men to look like terrorists and then drawing attention to the fact.
370 K??? And you admit spending a lot of that tax money on cocaine???!!!
Ammar Diwan
March 25, 2008 at 3:16 PM
@ Mubin Shaikh: You’re basically promoting taking people who have misconceptions about their own religion, and then punishing them for it. Do you have any idea how many Muslims are full of misconceptions? The entire Ummah has been beaten left and right by the kuffar for the past 80 years, since our Caliphate fell. We are sick and tired of this. This nonsense has to end. This is like killing your family and raping your daughter and then sending some third party to provoke you to kill me, and then blaming you for agreeing to kill me.
No one is promoting terrorism, rather we are speaking out against the terrorism of the WEST itself i.e. Bashing Muslims left and right, coming up with these evil ploys, supporting barbaric terroristic backward fundamentalist extremist radical (sound familiar?) Israel against Palestine, etc…
AnonyMouse
March 25, 2008 at 3:17 PM
I really want to comment on this, but my anger and disgust at Mr. Shaikh (not you, Amad!) make it difficult for me to put it in the right words…
Suffice to say that I KNOW that CSIS and the RCMP encourage this kind of thing (entrapment, etc.) and cause problems where there were none in the first place.
A few words by hot headed young men does not a terrorist act make… not even the potential for it.
But when someone else catches those words, then goes forward and takes advantage of the heat of the moment to push the others into acting upon it – that’s where the trouble starts.
Anyway, I’ll stop now and let those more eloquent and analytical continue the discussion.
Rasheed Gonzales
March 25, 2008 at 5:15 PM
I’ll save my actual thoughts on this for a later comment. If I’m not mistaken, though, he (Mubin) only got a fraction of that from CSIS, because he disclosed to the media that he was a paid informant for them in the case.
Mr GQ
March 25, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Mubin –
I am still waiting for you at my front doorsteps as you promised.
Remember when you told me you would f*** my face up and land me on a hospital bed?
If not, I can refresh your memory and show others what you wrote to me via private messages.
Salafiya
March 25, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Yo Mubin, how are those drugs treating you? I guess I knew from the beginning that the money you got from you being a mole wouldn’t have any barakah in it. So it was really no surprise to me when you spent some of that (haraam) cash on your (haraam) drugs.
So let me get this straight. You’re acting as if you did nothing wrong? LOL. If you’re going to keep playing your “I did nothing wrong” card, then all I can say is I pity you. Actually I pity you even now. But that pity won’t stop me from hoping that what you did to those families is on your conscious until the day you die.
Oh, and you ask people to fear Allaah about backbiting you (not necessarily here, but in other places)? Man, get a life (which you clearly need if you have enough time to spy on your brothers AND THEN find ppl talking about u on the net). Stop being a hypocrite. What you did to those brothers is slander. Not only that, but you SPIED upon them? SubhanAllaah!
You see all this disgust towards you? You’re being exposed, Mubin. Even those who may have slightly supported you before now are realizing that what you did was disgusting. How’s it feel to be the outcast of the Muslim community? Anyhow, it’s not our displeasure you should really be worried about. Your main worry should be the displeasure of Allaah. Repent to Him, oh Mubin.
[Sorry to other readers about how random this whole post was, just letting him know what’s on my mind about him]
anyways, bye to non-Muslims.
Assalam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah ya Muslimeen.
Salafiya
March 25, 2008 at 5:30 PM
*sorry I meant conscience not conscious
fastaqim.blogspot.com
March 25, 2008 at 7:06 PM
Fear the dua of the oppressed.
Samir
March 25, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Jazakallahu khair to everyone who was involved in getting this posted up. As for Brother Mubin, your first post indicates that you are still not clear or confirmed on whether they are guilty or not. Even then, your duty should have been to counsel them or lead them to proper counseling, not draw them into an even bigger mess and ruin their lives and their families’ lives.
Nevertheless, May Allah swt forgive us all for our mistakes and for the wrong we commit to ourselves and our brothers.
And may He forgive us for laying suspicion on our brothers and sisters, and indeed free those who are unjustly oppressed.
Rasheed Gonzales
March 25, 2008 at 11:24 PM
There’s a enormous difference between informing the authorities of some terrorist plot you came to know of by way of witnessing things being done or hearing statements being heard and between working as a paid spy with a mission of implicating your brothers in some sort of criminal conspiracy.
Informing the authorities of some sort of criminal conspiracy to commit terrorist acts is something some scholars have said is our duty. But informing them is where our duty ends. By working as a paid spy, you’ve not only gone beyond that duty, but also transgressed your limits as a Muslim. Allah, ta’âlâ, says, «O you who believed, avoid much of the assumption! Surely, part of the assumption is sin. And do not spy» (49:12), and the Prophet, sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam, said, «Beware of assumption, for surely assumption is the most untruthful of speech. Do not probe [for each others faults]. Do not spy [on each other]. Do not be envious [of each other]. Do not have mutual hatred [towards each other]. Do not have disparity [amongst each other]. Be Allah’s servants, as brothers» (al-Bukhârî no. 6064 and Muslim no. 2563).
From the moment the media started reporting various details of this case, it smelled like entrapment. After watching this documentary, it not only smells, it freakin’ reeks; may Allah forgive you and us.
awake
March 25, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Rasheed,
I understand your frustration in regard to Mr. Shaikh. I personally believe the true facts will play out in the trial, but as I can see here, the trial is merely a kangaroo court in yours and other’s eyes.
Regardless of the truth of Shaikh’s involvement from a legitimate standpoint or not, aren’t many already applying their own personal verdict here?
Rasheed Gonzales
March 26, 2008 at 12:01 AM
awake,
Verdict for what: the guilt or innocence of the accused or that of Mubin Shaikh’s? And guilt or innocence of what?
Hamzah
March 26, 2008 at 12:26 AM
Muby, I had some friends that you sort of screwed over with this whole tirade… not to mention the torment that you put their families through. Would you like to hear what the “guilty” are going through in their solitary confinement?
Didn’t you say yourself somewhere that not everyone in the Toronto 18 is “guilty”? If so, how come you haven’t stood up for the innocent ones?
I just want some answers. Please shed some light on it.
Joyhamza
March 26, 2008 at 12:41 AM
May Allah help the accused innocent ones grow in patience and bring them back to their families.
insha’Allah in every occurrence their is a khair. The muslim youth should be more careful and not lose their heads.
Brother Amad shukran jazeelan for sharing these.
Rasheed Gonzales
March 26, 2008 at 12:42 AM
The Wikipedia article on him says he was eventually paid in full, so I stand corrected.
aarij
March 26, 2008 at 1:16 AM
Mubin, please do tell what itch were you trying to scratch when you took the brothers to that training camp that YOU organized?
Please do tell me why you ratted out these brothers even though you had no freakin’ clue about the “explosives” (read: fertilizers).
Also, when did you start to grow your beard? Was it before CSIS contacted you or after?
I Am Anger
March 26, 2008 at 2:07 AM
Man you don’t know how many people really hate you Mubin. There are countless brothers who knew those jailed brothers so you have made a lot of enemies. Fear Allah.
Why don’t you try and redeem yourself by getting these brothers out of jail huh? If your so innocent why don’t you prove it?
You won’t. Because your a coward who doesn’t have the courage of righting his wrongs.
The truly sad thing about all of this is that CSIS was stupid enough to do this. We like to think the police are smarter than us but this proves how stupid they really are. They set it up and it was so easy to figure out.
This is what we have protecting Canada so when some real stuff does happen (most likely by non-Muslim terrorists) we got these idiots to protect us.
May Allah help us all.
Mu3askarTadreeb
March 26, 2008 at 9:40 AM
May Allah swt give you what you deserve, in this Life and in the Hereafter, mubin mr big fat Rat.
-Edited. No Takfir please.
Abu Omar
March 26, 2008 at 10:03 AM
@Mubin,
Did you come here looking for more gullible youth to trick into phony terror plots so you can earn a new badge from the government?
There is no point in trying to spin your despicable deeds here. We all know what you did to those brothers and now you must accept the consequences of your actions (i.e. being ostracized from the community that you betrayed for some cash for crack).
Amad
March 26, 2008 at 10:23 AM
Mubin/Mr.X: Because you both received significant payments for your roles in this set-up, it will be almost impossible for you to paint this as a “patriotic” action, let alone Islamic.
Nothing can justify such a set-up… there were a million better ways to be patriotic as well as Islamically just, as Rasheed mentioned.
So, my advice is that for healing to begin, you need to honestly admit to yourself, to Allah, and then to the community (starting from the families of the accused) that you messed up. Big time. Simple as that. Until you keep trying to justify your action, you will only lose more in the duniya and the akhira.
And once you do so, turn your energies into helping reverse the harm that you have engineered. Allah is alghafoor. And muslims too will become more willing to be forgiving.
My advice to everyone else is not to let one’s injustice cause you to be unjust. So, start with advice and dua’, and do not engage in takfir. Our rules are clear on not allowing takfiri language here.
May Allah have mercy on our Ummah.
GHOST CIA OPERATIVE
March 26, 2008 at 11:03 AM
mmm. I have never heard of you Mubin untill now, well from what I can see is that your claims contradict your actions. If you snitched and sold out muslims to kufaar for the sake of Allah, then why did you receive payment.
However reflect upon your situation and see that now you always need a “sniff”, and that you can’t get a chick unless you got “sniff”, and that evryone only wants to know you when you got “sniff.”
You have been deceived by shaytan Mubin, if you seriously profess Islam, then become a mujahid against yourself and fight your evil desires and craving for this fleeting world. Tell the truth that you entrapped those brothers and repent from the kufr of wala. Mubin if you are sincere then Allah swt will forgive you, for verily Allah swt is the most merciful.
-Edited
ghuraba
March 26, 2008 at 11:29 AM
subhanallah mubin. how does it feel to rat out your brothers?? Inshallah you will get what you deserve. May Allah release the “toronto 18”. May allah give them sabr. May allah give their family sabr. ameen
-Edited
salman
March 26, 2008 at 12:13 PM
4 Questions for you Mr. Shaikh:
1. Did your father sexually abuse a woman who came to ask for advice on her divorce as was alleged here:
“Last year, his father was charged with sexual assault after a woman said she had been fondled by an Islamic chaplain who was supposed to be counselling her through a divorce. The outcome of that case is unknown to The Globe.
When asked about the accusation against his father, whose name is Mohammad Shahied Shaikh, Mr. Shaikh said he didn’t want to discuss it.”
source: Globe and Mail July 14th 2006
http://sonyafatah.com/blog/2006/07/14/the-making-of-a-terror-mole/
Toronto Sun 4/28/2005
http://torontosun.canoe.ca/News/TorontoAndGTA/2005/04/28/1016581-sun.html
2. Did you get the $14 million that you asked the Canadian law enforcement agencies for when you made your request in the media:
[link]
3. Could you care to elaborate on why the charges that you beat up your aunt were dropped?
“…Mr. Shaikh was also once accused of assaulting his aunt and was charged criminally, Mr. Shaikh told The Globe. Those charges were dropped,…”
source: Globe and Mail 7/14/2006
4. Did you threaten 2 Muslim girls when they pointed you out as an informant as is also alleged here:
http://www.mississauga.com/article/3453
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070531.TERROR31/TPStory/National
since you claim that you have done this all for benefitting the community and that your “good name” is being slandered, how does your informing fit in with your past life as well as your actions towards women?
regards,
s
Amad
March 26, 2008 at 12:20 PM
I should add some clarification as to why this is not the “patriotic” thing to do:
1) Engaging our security resources (money and time) in setting up, imprisoning, and then trying these kids could have been better used in intelligence and thwarting ACTUAL threats.
2) Allowing such incidents to become a tool for political exploitation and the formation of draconian laws, which is never beneficial to a nation’s sense of justice and human rights.
3) Giving the impression that Canada is now in cahoots with the United States in a war against Islam, not against terrorism. This will only distort Canada’s image and hurt the possible opportunity for Canada to be a leader in peace, and not war.
4) Turning people against each other. More non-Muslims will be suspicious of dealing and interacting with Muslims. This can only hurt a society (including business) since there is a sizeable Muslim population in Canada
So, for anyone thinking of the next profitable “patriotic” call to action, think again. You may actually be hurting the nation that you claim to love. If you truly loved your country, you would help cure the disaffected youth with correct Islamic information, prod them into being more involved in community-wide efforts (the whole community, not just Muslims), and fight Islamophobia. That is true patriotism to your country and to your deen.
abdullah007
March 26, 2008 at 1:25 PM
MUBIN SHEIKH –
you sold your deen for the dunya, you sold your deen for some dollars.
these lads were not a threat until you came in, and now you have put them and their family through so much trouble and hardship.
DrM
March 26, 2008 at 2:03 PM
Asalamu Aliakum,
Most of the brothers and sisters here have expressed my feelings on Judas Mubin, the only thing I can add is that informants and spies usually get abandoned by their pay masters. Remember what happened to Osama Eldawoody when the feds were done using him to “entrap” 22 year old Shahawar Matin Siraj?
(link)
Derelict of Dialect
March 26, 2008 at 2:21 PM
While it is obvious noone is too thrilled with what Mr. Sheikh has done, I think this is an appropriate opportunity to discuss the issue of what to do about domestic terrorism. As Muslims is it o.k. to deliberately spy on and possibly entrap others for the sake of preventing potential acts of terrorism? I think the above responses are an unmistakable no. How about if a Muslim should happen upon information regarding a planned act of terror – or even be involved in the planning of one and develop second thoughts? Perhaps we can agree that the right thing to do would be to inform the authorities? Seems clear to me… what do you think?
Abu Omar
March 26, 2008 at 2:47 PM
@ Derelict of Dialect,
You may read this article by Sh. Sami al-Majid for starters: http://www.islamtoday.com/showme2.cfm?cat_id=2&sub_cat_id=1733
Abu Noor Al-Irlandee
March 26, 2008 at 2:48 PM
Derelict of Dialect,
It is never justified nor productive to entrap people. The very concept of entrapment means that it is you, the informant or agent provacateur who actually encourages people to do or say something they wouldn’t have if it weren’t for you just so you can then charge them with a crime.
If one comes across something that you feel might be something which will be illegal, haraam and harmful to the Muslims then one should first talk to the people involved to clarify whether you are correct or to advise and correct the individuals. Many people, especially young men, can say stupid things out of emotion or to give off a false sense of toughness or just because they think it will make them cool in someone else’s eyes. If someone is just saying something stupid, then to bring in the law enforcement authorities or, as in this case and many like it, to actually encourage them to take other actions which could be crimes, is not beneficial to anyone and is destructive of innocent people’s lives. If you feel you can’t tell whether some people are serious or not, or you are afraid to confront them, then seek out leaders in the community to address the situation. I am not saying one should never contact the authorities, as indeed we all have an interest in preventing any harm to come to our neighbors and the people in the societies in which we live. It would also be incorrect, however, to think that the authorities do not have biases or will always do the right thing or to think that innocent people have not been persecuted and punished by these government agents. Just reason number infinity why it is so important that we have experienced, wise, and muttaqi leadership in our communities who can deal with such situations in the best way possible and who have the trust of the community. Because in addition to the harms that come to the actual innocent people who are unjustly prosecuted, when a community is made to turn against each other and the people no longer trust each other then you have a disaster. The first element of a community of Muslims or non-Muslims is trust. This is why the Prophet (saw) said, “the Muslim is the one from whose hands and tongue the other Muslims are safe.” and He (saw) said “The Muslim is the brother of his fellow Muslim, He neither wrongs (or oppresses) him, nor does he turn him over to one who does him wrong (or oppresses him).
And Allaah (swt) knows best.
Derelict of Dialect
March 26, 2008 at 3:55 PM
I’m with you on that. My point in writing what I wrote was to redirect the conversation to a topic I thought we could all benefit from as opposed to continuing to argue with the probably fake Mubin Shaikh. I agree with what you said about not jumping the gun and perhaps should have said that myself – however, for the sake of brevity I neglected to do so. Do those who responded to ‘Mubin Shaikh’ above really think that is him?
Amad
March 26, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Derelict, its Mubin. The IP is from Toronto… based on what he said, I have little doubt that it is him.
Mr GQ
March 26, 2008 at 6:00 PM
lol @ Amad
Ruckus
March 26, 2008 at 9:23 PM
Malcolm would’ve called you an “Uncle Tom”
But today you would be called an an “Uncle Ruckus” (youtube search it)
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kashif
March 26, 2008 at 10:22 PM
mubin,
i hope you suffer in this life and the next.
you are a sell-out and all sell-outs will get what they deserve.
I believe you set up those brothers and that they were angry like many Muslims are about Iraq, Afghanistan, but they are innocent of any charges.
Your money and business will do nothing for you in the grave. You are so hateful against so-called “wahhabies” that you didn’t hesitate to destroy peoples lives.
Faraz
March 27, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Why have you brought up this topic again, nearly two years after the fact? Every discussion on this topic has been reduced to a constant stream of hatred and takfir.
Amad
March 27, 2008 at 1:06 PM
Faraz, I believe the documentary isn’t that old, is it?
And a brother Dawud brought up in the open thread on Sunday, and I believe it is worth talking about it. Perhaps we forgot, but the families of those caged are still suffering everyday.
Finally, we have been moderating comments (deleting many others) heavily. Sometimes we don’t get to it as fast as we would want.
Dawud
March 27, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Faraz,
The documentary just came out and it is part of a larger campaign to grant these brothers justice.
Zainab
March 27, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Feel the weight of Umar ibn Abdil Aziz’s words when he said “Give them whatever they want for the ransom of the Muslims, you are not just ransoming a Muslim, you are purchasing Islaam”
Brothers and sisters, PLEASE ignore Mubin Shaikh. He does not deserve any of your comments and they will not have any effect on him because Allah (swt) has put a seal on his heart, he is deaf, dumb and blind.
JazaKAllah khair for posting this! Know this brothers and sisters, that these brothers are innocent and they plot and they plan but Allah too plans, and Allah is the best of planners. Remember the story of Aisha (ra), when she was accused of indecency, it was not those who first started the rumours (the hypocrites), nor those who stood strongly by her that were told that they had the Wrath of Allah upon them, instead those who said things like “I dont know if she is innocent butttt..this and this is what I heard from this and this person.” Let’s not be from this category!
Please please please! write to the brothers and put your energy in motivating them to keep their hopes up. Their addresses can be found on toronto18.com
“ Most certainly will Allah mark out who prove themselves to be true, and most certainly will He mark out those who are lying.” Know, that Allah supports his servants regardless, if you do not stand up and support them, Allah will replace us with people who do. Then YOU will answer to Allah.
to Mubin Shaikh
March 27, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Mubin Shaikh,
you sold your deen for small money
2:174 Indeed, they who conceal what Allah has sent down of the Book and exchange it for a small price – those consume not into their bellies except the Fire. And Allah will not speak to them on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He purify them. And they will have a painful punishment.
ahmed
March 27, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Toronto 18 site http://captiveincanada.com
Mubin Shaikh
March 27, 2008 at 11:52 PM
wow – kudos to the editor for removing the takfiri comments. I cant believe how people can be so sure that they will die with Imaan that they could afford to pronounce kufr.
Look – there are many views on this and many seem to revolve around the same basic things (they were set up, its all lies, etc) . Some of you are waaaay off (eg. I asked for14 million) and some force me to always look deep inside me to make sure I fear Allah over all.
I am reluctant now to add to my commentary but I have not changed my story from when I first told it. One thing I can GUARANTEE you – is that as more evidence becomes avaliable, people will InshaAllah realize that we have to change the way we champion the Cause. It is preventing people from coming to Allah – and could there be a greater sin?
Going for Umrah in 2007 cleaned me up and I’ve learned (INshaAllah) that praise should not elevate you and insult should not denigrate you. People can hate me or not – they can reserve judgement or they can curse – but they can NEVER say I have not always worked for the benefit of the community.
I wont comment anymore on here – you can read about what I say in court and all I ask you is RECALL the accusations made (esp. against me) and COMPARE with what is reported.
Allah is Waasi’ – Aleem. He is our only recourse when everyone else has run for the hills.
Fatma
March 28, 2008 at 1:42 AM
Slightly related:
http://www.thestar.com/article/349282
Mr GQ
March 28, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Mubin is scared. LOL He wont reply to me.
lolatCSISagents
March 30, 2008 at 9:07 AM
“Going for Umrah in 2007 cleaned me up.”
hope or overconfidence?
Faraz
March 30, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Sorry Amad, I didn’t realize the documentary was so recent. My apologies.
I don’t have much to say, really, except that the documentary certainly is damning. I have always been afraid, however, of engaging in the types of discussions (especially on-line) that come out of such stories. I have no sympathy for the informants, and certainly believe that they had ulterior motives (e.g. money).
But until more facts come out, all the death threats, takfeer claims, and jahannam predictions are extremely dangerous for our own souls, and should be avoided no matter how angry we feel. May Allah protect all of us.
Fatimah
March 31, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Subhanallah, as always i read the comments before i watched the video, and i’m like who’s Mubin. Lets say i was in for a SHOCK, he looks so pious.
However, all i can say is may Allah guide him, yeah he’s destroyed lives (man i feel sorry for you, more than anything else) but still i ask Allah to guide him.
I’m listening to Muhammad Alshareef – Perished Nations – Week 4 Clip 3 of 3 on google video and MashAllah it’s good, i would suggest others to listen to it, including Mubin. Also i woudl siggest Mubin to listen to Ahmed the Repenter by Bilal Assad.
Muslim
April 1, 2008 at 9:49 AM
May Allah forgive you mubin shaykh, i hope you feel guilty for the rest of your life for these actions.
I’m not gonna judge you, but im only gonna make du’a for your forgiveness.
Please do not delay repentance, (all of you-myself included).
And don’t call these brothers a fruitcake…look at yourself
Islamic
April 1, 2008 at 9:51 AM
Mubin Shaykh, looks very pious and humble man. do not shame urself by trying to please kuffar- they will never accept you.
they only laugh and mock you…while you perceive not.
Umm Layth
April 1, 2008 at 2:28 PM
They can have them locked up, but they don’t have control over their hearts. And in every affair of a believer there is good.
Insha’Allah soon there will be justice for these brothers and their families.
Boy Youth
April 4, 2008 at 10:01 PM
The time spent in jail has benefited the brothers, Inshallah. From what I have heard from relatives and friends of the accused is that, all those inside have spent their time so wisely. Putting myself in their positions and pondering if my Iman would have held up…I wouldn’t be able to answer that question with a straight face.
One of the brothers has reportedly Hifz’ed the Qur’an, Subhanallah.
And Mubin has accomplished what on the outside? I think hes the one in jail….not the brothers…rotting in his own miseries!
Mu3adh
April 6, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Bismillah
He defends his vile actions and even dares to post ayah in response to what those have said.
let us make duaa’ for our brothers.
-comment edited, for inappropriate personal attacks.
Rasheed Gonzales
April 6, 2008 at 10:34 PM
My wife’s friend emailed her the link to this story in the Toronto Star:
http://www.thestar.com:80/article/410678
Mu3adh
April 7, 2008 at 5:39 AM
Bismillah,
Your right about editing my post, it was offensive towards dogs, at least a dog has some form of loyalty to its owner and will defend it. Mubin however lacks all these qualities. I had to chuckle at his latest heroics picking on school girls.
The star witness in Toronto’s biggest terrorism case denied terrorizing two 12-year-old girls in a separate incident that brought him to court yesterday afternoon.
Mubin Shaikh, known for infiltrating the alleged cell of 18 suspects, said the girls taunted him with religious and ethnic slurs as he sat in a van on April 3.
“She said, `Look look look, it’s bin Laden, it’s Taliban boy, it’s Taliban boy,'” said Shaikh, who faces two counts of assault and one count of threatening bodily harm. He was in provincial court to schedule his next appearance – July 6.
The charges stem from a bizarre encounter between Shaikh and two students from Kane Middle School, near Keele St. and Eglinton Ave. W.
Police say two girls were returning to class after lunch when Shaikh accused the duo of skipping class. An argument ensued. Shaikh got out and allegedly bumped one girl in the chest and pushed her to the ground. According to police, he then said, “Do you know who I am? I’m going to chop off your legs.”
The other girl yelled at Shaikh to leave her friend alone and Shaikh allegedly grabbed that girl by the jacket and threw her to the ground.
When a group of male students intervened, Shaikh allegedly ripped off his top, threw it to the ground and challenged them to take him on. Police say he then drove off erratically. He was arrested nearby.
But yesterday, Shaikh said there was no physical contact between him and his accusers.
“Their story is fabricated and exaggerated grotesquely,” he said, calling them “troublemakers.”
He said the girls were coming toward his van but when he stepped out they started running away.
“They turned to run and she tripped and fell on her ass, she got hurt, she landed hard,” he said.
Shaikh said these charges have “no relevance,” to his credibility as a witness in the terrorism case.
Defence lawyer Edward Sapiano, who represents one of the accused in the terror trial, says: “It certainly suggests that this star witness has control issues.”
Another defence lawyer in the case, Paul Slansky, said that if Shaikh is guilty of the assault charges, “It’ll adversely impact his credibility” in the trial. Shaikh is scheduled to testify next month at the preliminary inquiry for the 14 adults arrested last summer for allegedly plotting to bomb various targets in Ontario.
http://www.thestar.com/article/228636
How low can you go?
Rasheed Gonzales
April 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM
Four more of the accused’s charges stayed: http://www.thestar.com:80/article/414672
ibnabeeomar
April 16, 2008 at 1:09 PM
charges dropped on 4 of them alhamdulillah
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jEv2UyBuE1bpEYs2rzwErF2UzXhQ
Allahs Servant
May 1, 2008 at 1:47 AM
Asallam uh alykum when allah loves a slave, he puts them thru trial. Maybe it is something that you brothers and sisters hate for the ones in prison, but they are receiving reward. May allah increase them in patience, may allah release all of our locked up brothers and sisters in prisons and detentions.
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Twisted
September 18, 2008 at 3:49 PM
As a white, Canadian non muslim it seems to me that you are all supporters of terrorism. After reading every single post, it is obvious you are mostly consumed in your hatred for this Sheik guy and how he got these guys caught and you do not talk against what those guys were (alleged) to have been up to.
What amazes me is that even after everything I read – he is the one who is most rational and articulate and best of all, he does not even respond in the way you speak. He is obviously more learned than most – I don’t know, I’m just an ignorant professional.
As an outsider, I do not in any way attempt to know the subtleties of your culture or religion. What I can tell you is that Canadians are going to flock to this guy as a real example and so far it seems this guy has the attention of very many more people than you here do and has a real chance to save Islam from the Muslims.
Thank Alla for that!
AnonyMouse
September 25, 2008 at 2:35 PM
Innaa lillaahi wa inna ilayhi raaji’oon.
The first guilty verdict has been laid against one of the Toronto 18, on the basis that “the defence was not able to challenge the credibility of police agent Mubin Shaikh, who was found to have all the “hallmarks” of a credible witness.”
May Allah grant the victims of injustice and oppression strength, patience, freedom, and victory, ameen!
MUBIN SHAIKH
September 25, 2008 at 5:41 PM
PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE RULING FOR YOURSELVES.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/09/25/toronto-terror.html look for DOCUMENTS: SPROAT VERDICT. (See #171-183 regarding credibility)
I pray Allah forgives you all for the trash you spoke and opens your eyes to the fact that HE honours whom HE wills.
Assalaamu Alaykum
SamiraSomaliyah
September 30, 2008 at 1:58 AM
As salaam aleykum,
Mubin Shaikh, to be honest, i really feel for you.
I believe you regret everything you did, and you cry at night asking Allah for forgiveness.
It must be painfull having done what you have done, i mean it must do a lot of bad to your emaan.
This guy came to Abbaas ibn malik i think, i am not sure, but i think he came to abbaas ibn malik, and he told him of a veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy horrible act he had commited and he believed Allah wouldnot forgive him and he asked for advise and he was like what should i do???
Abbaas asked, are your parents a life..and he was like yes…Abbaas said be good to your mom….cause that is the best action i can think of after worshipping Allah.
An that is what i advice you Mubin, be good to your mom if she is alive and ask her for forgiveness and be good to her and also be good to your dad and Allah will forgive you inshaAllah.
You only have Allah, turn to Him…
Mubin i also advice you to leave Canada and start a life somewhere else, far away from all these people who will always remind you of your mistake, go to a place where no one knows you.
I am just giving you this advice cause i feel that your islam is most in danger.
To be honest i believe even the 18 locked have it easier than you, cause they havenot wronged any one.
There is not a bigger torture in life, than knowing you have wronged some one veryyyy much.
That was my say to mubin….and to the rest of all my brothers and sisters in the forum….i truly understand..you guys!!!
I love the fact you guys have soo much love for the muslims..mashaAllah!!!!
I myself, when i came from yemen, the british intelligence at the birmingham airport asked me if i wanted to become a spy for them…and i was like helllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!
They kept on asking me questions and i was thinking oooh my god , they gonna say you wanted to blow up this airplane..bla bla blaa…..
i was soooooo afraid of being accused of something.. i was pregnant at that time, very emotionali was trying to hold back the tears..but i couldnot .and just out of fear i broke down and cried….soebhanallah..they truly are the real terrorists….and than at the end…basicly they just wanted to ask…do you wanna work for us and be a spy in the mosque….and there was sooo much pressure …..and i was like is a must..or something……..obviously i would never ever do that…, but the way they were forcing it up on me…i was like…what..???? Is it a must????? And they were like no no no no, i mean..if you would like too/??!? you know for the safety of the uk? i was like, no way….
It is just pathetic to do that to your brothers and sisters, but obviously like i hope to be forgiven by Allah, we hope Allah forgives mubin and he gives the 18 brothers loaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadzzz of ajar.
On the yaumal qiyamah..every soul will have enough to think about…him or herself!!
As salaam aleykum everyone loveeeeeeeeeeee ya..and eid mubarik.
Mubin
September 30, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Sister, don’t assume to know whose Islam is in danger or not – you are not privy to the hearts Allah has created. Seek forgiveness from my mother? Those brothers should be seeking forgiveness from their wives, mothers, daughters, sons, fathers, brothers, uncles, etc. and then to the community. IF they are found guilty – IF you hear their own voices condemn them – then don’t dare point a finger at me.
I sleep much better now knowing that all of you who doubted and denied were indeed, the ones misguided, not I. Sister, I hope you come to realize that the rights of a handful of Muslims do not supersede the rights of the Ummah.
As-salaamu Alaykum
Ahmad AlFarsi
September 30, 2008 at 4:18 PM
we don’t need to know your heart… you were a spy!
MUBIN SHAIKH
September 30, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Do you know your heart so well, Mr. Author (so much for your assumption the case was a set-up) that you can guarantee me you will die with Imaan or that I will, without?
Go ahead Ya Hudhayfa ibn al yaman – check the list the Prophet (SallAllahu Alayhi wa Salaam) gave you.
You accused me of kufr, nifaq and irtaad – yet now that you are wrong – you don’t have the Imaan, the dedication to Islam you claim – to even say so. Pathetic khawaarij wahhabi’s.
Amad
September 30, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Mubin, you did not answer my questions. Or you would prefer not to, which would tell me what I need to know.
And constantly repeating khawarij, wahhabi, or whatever other labels you like, doesn’t make you look any stronger, rather it further weakens any argument you have and makes you like rather childish.
Even if these kids were “khawarij”, do you think spying was the appropriate response, and receiving financial rewards for that act? Was it really done out of a sense of moral responsibility (in which case why ask for money?) or was financial gain a strong motivator?
I think your actions, especially your profiteering off it, will you make you very unpopular. You should have expected that. And if you want to respond, then do so intelligently.
MUBIN SHAIKH
September 30, 2008 at 5:06 PM
I do not make the mistake of simply dropping labels, I always address the argument in my responses – and once again, you do not even have the ability to accept that you were WRONG about the basic premise of the arrests; a group plotting existed. So, how do I even begin to answer intelligently, when you do not have the requisite integrity to know where you have been incorrect. You will NEVER catch me doing that. I will own up unlike you. So, your skirting the obvious only makes YOUR argument clumsy, not mine.
As to spying, let me just ask you WHAT you consider as acceptable evidence to prosecute terrorism – or should I ask you first if you are even against terrorism, let alone that it should be prosecuted. Before you frame your answer, consider what the Shariah demands as proof.
Intelligently, you say? LET’S.
umar
September 30, 2008 at 5:09 PM
may allah protect these bros, mubin you sell out junk head do you have enuf money to buy designer labels?
Ibnkhalil
September 30, 2008 at 6:50 PM
Mubin you are a very dangerous person and may Allah save us from people like you. You have done what no one in there right mind would do. Instead of giving them dawah you spied on them and were a wolf in sheep’s clothing. So YES YOU DID SET THEM UP! On top of that you were on the spying payroll! So how can we believe your story.
We cannot trust you after knowing what you have done. You can beat around the bush as much you want but at the end of the day you betrayed the Muslim community and put our young brothers and their families in a lot of distress. You don’t know what is right and wrong. May Allah Save us from you!
Mubin
September 30, 2008 at 7:16 PM
IBN KHALIL – you exemplify why I support the govt.
Ibnkhalil
September 30, 2008 at 8:26 PM
Go ahead and inshAllah I will inshAllah support the Rasolullah (sallAllah o alayhi wasallam)’s message.
Also just to inform you, you have no right to call someone Wahhabi because you are taking the name of Allah (AWJ) (AL-WAHHAB) and distorting it,which mind you is a serious crime against Allah(SWT)’s. I strongly protest to the editor and ask that your comments be removed.
This just goes to show your perverted understanding of our beautiful Deen! Let’s not do that Mubeen!
Mubin
September 30, 2008 at 9:00 PM
You know precisely what I mean. This new innovation of not following a Madhhab is how terrorism occurs. You cut off the spiritual link of Tazkiya and thus become bereft of blessing. By the way, the attribute of Allah is AL WAHHAB not simply Wahhab. Even IF you could render the attribute in that way (without the definite article) should you not be proud to be of Wahhab, thus, Wahhabi?
Brother, go give bay’ah to a Shaykh of Tareeqa and you will prosper. sunnipath.com is a good start for you. :)
No more comments from me anymore – I’m satisfied the point has been made.
Assalaamu Alaykum
Ibnkhalil
September 30, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Do you know the origin of the term, Mubeen? The people who did not like Shaykh Abdul Wahhab took that part of his name and started calling him wahhabi. So if they took that part of the name then where is it coming from? It is one of the Names of Allah! So you should understand what I am talking about. Its good you are done with making comments because you refuse to accept your mistake. It is very hard to accept one’s mistake Mubeen but Allah Loves those who accept their mistakes and repent to him. You still have time to make up for your faults.
Oh yeah and for you a good start would be any Al-Maghrib class.
More comments are coming Mubeen so sit back and enjoy the ride!
Amad
September 30, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Wow, how did this turn into a madhab/non-madhab, sufi-salafi, maghrib-sunnipath thing??
I can assure you Mubin, inshallah, no Muslim, regardless of their ideology would support your action. If you truly believe that only “wahhabis” dislike your actions or that its okay for salafis to entrap sufis or vice-versa, then you are even more misguided than I originally thought… no you are not just misguided, actually you are just pacifying your inner conscience that is so troubling you by trying to reconcile the conflicting thoughts in your mind. Keep coming back to this… cognitive dissonance. Look it up. That is actually a good sign… it seems that you still have a little bit of fear of Allah left in your conscience somewhere, even though you are suppressing it with these stupid excuse of “its okay to betray wahhabis”. I assure you that there are people who have written in this thread against you, who follow tareeqas and are not “wahhabis”, whatever that means in your perverted mind.
To be honest, I would never betray even a non-Muslim, let alone a Muslim, especially when I have financial motivations to undertake such actions. Muslims have rights upon other Muslims. If they are going astray, then their right upon others is to be guided, given advice, and taking every action possible to prevent them from going in the wrong direction. Not to take their hand and lead them to the lion’s den. And your question about whether we are “against terrorism” is so stupid and is so much akin to the islamophobes who love to ask these insulting and offensive questions, as if we this is something that is inherently natural to us! I mean, do you ask people if they are against child-molestation, or if they are against robbery?
Really, the more you talk, the more it seems that you have a HUGE guilt trip that makes you say stupid, irrational statements in order to cover up your past sins. The more you continue talking and justifying, the more it will get worse.
My advice to you, for what it is worth, is that you spend some time doing the “tazkiyah” that you mentioned, connect with Allah, clear your conscience, and then if you recognize what you did was incorrect, then ask forgiveness, and seek repentance. Then ask other Muslims who you have wronged for forgiveness. Allah is all forgiving, and it is in your interest that you make peace with your conscience before it escapes with your soul.
AbuAbdAllah, the Houstonian
October 1, 2008 at 1:31 AM
innalhamdolillah. wa na-udhobillahi min shuroori an fusinaa wa min sayiati amaalinaa. ashhadu al laa ilaha illAllah, laa sharikalahu. wa ashhadu anna Muhammadan-‘abduhu wa Rasooluhu, sull Allaho alayhi wa sallam.
indeed, all praise is for Allah. and we seek refuge with Allah from the evils of ourselves and our deeds (sorry, freestyle translation). i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship other than Allah, and no one shares with Him (in what belongs to Him, nor in what is owed to Him, and especially not in any form of worship — all worship is owed to Allah alone). and i bear witness that Muhammad is Allah’s slave and His Messenger, may our supplications to Allah and peace (from Him) be upon him.
as for what follows, i seek refuge with Allah from Satan the rejected. i begin in the Name of Allah, Whose Mercy Exceeds all measure, Who is Always Merciful.
Says Allah in Surah Baqarah:
why mention those verses here? to make takfir? KALLAA, absolutely not. rather to remind us all that if we read these verses and assume they apply to someone else, we may need to take a long hard look in the mirror.
all praise is for Allah. among the mercies of ‘itikaaf: that Allah suppresses from your ears and your eyes news and arguments such as those in this article and in its comments. subhanAllah.
but no matter how sweet the ibadaat, no man can live in the masjid 24/7/12-months for his entire life.
the day comes when you have to walk outside, make eid, laugh and eat with your loved ones and with the people. then, perhaps even while you check what has become a wonderful place to visit — MM :) — you will inevitably see proof of the Wisdom and Mercy of Allah.
Allah admonishes in the Holy Qur’an, al Furqan, the Criterion between truth and falsehood, “fear Allah,” and He extols the believers who have fear of Him. and the Lord of all the worlds, our Creator, the One in Whose Hand are our forelocks — Allah — repeats these reminders in the Qur’an more times than i could count during my ‘itikaaf.
“fear Allah” — the Prophet sull Allaho alayhi wa sallam would say those words a barest-minimum of once a week. he, sull Allaho alayhi wa sallam, whom we would hope would recognize us as believers on the Day of Judgment, he would utter them while speaking on Fridays to the best community of people who has ever lived.
and the sahabah did not merely sit there and admire his beautiful speech — though what i would not give to hear his khutbah just once :) — they did not point fingers at each other and say “he meant you should fear Allah.” no, they humbled themselves, and they took the warnings personally.
among the sahabah who received this reminders, people who would also receive the glad tidings that they were guaranteed jannah. they, especially they, would fear Allah.
why? a person who does not fear Allah will transgress and spread corruption on the earth. think himself a reformer, and will only grow in arrogance. may Allah preserve me and you from becoming lost in that sin. ameen. (please say ameen to that.)
while the person who fears Allah truly know with absolute certainty that Allah will account for every evil deed, even if it is only an atom’s weight, even if it be less than that.
indeed the Qur’an and remembrance of Allah are shields against evil, and supplication to Allah is a weapon against evil and every ill.
and Allah does answer the supplication of the oppressed, so do not commit dhulm against one another, not even in speech.
and especially do not commit dhulm when you outwardly-intend to offer up a good deed — giving sadaqah, or giving your brother correcting-guidance/naseeha, or forbidding what is evil/yanha-alal-munkar. because those could all be the aims of a reformer, and the ayat i quoted speak directly to the self-deluded reformer.
indeed all praise is for Allah, and i seek refuge with Allah from any evil or confusion that my words may cause. and i pray the same for you, and that He will Guide us all. ameen.
and i pray for all the Muslims who read these words or are affected by them, that Allah, Who is ar Rahman and ar Raheem and al Ghaafir adh-dhamb, will overlook and forgive my sins and your sins, my excesses and your excesses. that He will strengthen you and me in our ‘ilm, rizq, and good deeds. and that He will make us among those who succeed in this life and in the next. ameen.
as for what follows, when a just ruler enlists the aid of a subject in a just cause, then it really takes only simple wisdom to see that there is good in it for the subject (assuming no hardships, etc.). so when a hurricane strikes a city, and the local government calls out for volunteers and does not force them to act beyond their means, those who respond are among those who do good.
and someone who deliberately corrupts another person, leads that person into committing a sin, entices them, or provides for them the means to commit sin — that person will share the evil of any committed sin. again, it only requires common sense to see it.
and alhamdolillah, Allah sent those Wisdoms and much better than them in Islam.
when a ruler uses subterfuge to infiltrate what may be just a group of innocent people, maybe there is sin for the ruler and maybe not. i would not presume to judge.
if the ruler then has no reason to believe that an evil action has been done by that group, what else could a just ruler hope to find (and prevent) but the future enactment of a plan to do evil? so perhaps the ruler has to find out if a plan exists. but i would not be the judge of that.
but now consider the ruler who finds no plan for evil in that group. so the ruler’s agent encourages one! through offers of material aid, through suggestions and strategies, through false arguments that try to hide the manifest evil of the plan. in short, using every trick in the devil’s playbook.
how disgusting the actions of such a ruler and such an agent! how self-deluded to call themselves righteous! and after Allah has destroyed all of Creation, and then has resurrected it at His Command, then He will be Judge over all of the deeds of men and jinn.
subhanAllah, Allah is the best among Judges, and if it were not for His Mercy, no one among men or jinn would ever get to Paradise.
so when will we use our reason? when will we fear Allah has He should be feared? when will it be clear from our actions and words that we fear to spread corruption?
and i am the first to be reminded — because i should have been helping my mom get ready for our eid guests tomorrow rather than writing to you now. considering the age of this thread, and the number of comments, a day would not have been that long to wait, would it?
Allahumaghfirlee, wafuanna, waghfirlinaa, waramnaa. ameen.
Ibnkhalil
October 1, 2008 at 1:31 AM
He started it!
Mubin
October 1, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Amad – you’re still on the same script, that it was treachery, that it was a setup. Is it by sheer repetition alone that your dreams will become reality? No amount of evidence will convince the likes of you – no matter even if you were to have heard their own voices saying what they are accused of – not even if you SAW them on video – you would still deny. There is simply no hope for you!
I waited 2 years to get the validation I did – I can wait one more for the rest!
AbuAbdAllah, the Houstonian
October 1, 2008 at 11:41 PM
qaala mubin:
fa man howa kaadhibun mubinun?
Mubin
October 2, 2008 at 10:23 AM
Lastu kadhiban Ya Aba Abdillah bal sadaqtu! You take advantage of my comment to not comment and then once I leave you start getting uppity with your own comments? Why don’t you stay and face the arguments instead? Cowards. You would gladly celebrate a bombing in the same country in which you live? OR would you simply do what we always do and blame everything away as conspiracy? Have SOME integrity Ya Abi Abdillah
Yasir Qadhi
October 2, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Mubin,
I only have one comment. The very fact that you are returning to this page, feeling the need to defend yourself, shows your guilty conscience. Had you been squeaky clean, you would not feel guilty, nor would your conscience be gnawing inside your soul (and your comments quite clearly show that you are a very troubled man).
The phenomenon of your fitrah being so uncomfortable with what you have done is enough of an indication for me of the reality of the situation. As our beloved Prophet salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam said, “…and evil is what gnaws at your conscience and you don’t want people to find out about it.” The fact that people have found out about you and the case is very embarrassing for you, and very troublesome to your conscience.
Lastly, since you feel so guilty, I would say this is in fact a good sign, for there is still a kernel of good in you. But in order to bank on it, you must repent to Allah and start anew; if you persist in this denial then that is not repentance.
Mubin, you know very well that none of us is supportive of terrorism; in fact we oppose it from every perspective possible. You know that what we are critical of is your dealings with these brothers; you know that what we doubt is their ability and intent to commit crimes, not that any actual such crimes are, in fact, crimes. The fact that a judge or a court has found these kids guilty does not, in actuality, indicate their guilt. In the post 9.11 paranoid world we live in, we are all skeptical of any judge or jury in the Western world being totally unbiased. We feel that they would rather err on the side of caution and lock up innocent people rather than let loose ‘potential’ terrorists.
So please, don’t throw red herrings at us or divert the issues from what the above critics are criticizing you for.
If you are sincere, may Allah have mercy on you and guide you and cause you to repent. And may Allah give patience to all those who have been oppressed and whose rights have been trampled and whose freedoms have been taken away.
Yasir
AbuAbdAllah, the Houstonian
October 2, 2008 at 12:31 PM
maybe you would be admonished by the words of the kafir, “me thinks thou dost protest too much,” but those words are also false testimony, a misquote.
subhanAllah, if you will not reflect on the verses of Allah, and you will not give pause at the reproval of your brothers in Islam, and you will take moral umbrage and claim the high ground when others see you leaning foolishly over the side of a chasm concocting despicable accusations — “gladly celebrate a bombing,” subhanAllah! what strange twisted distortion of my TWO comments led you to invent that lie and then accuse me of a lack of integrity!? — your words bear witness against you at every turn, and if you returned a thousand times to this page it would likely be no different each time.
my apologies to everyone else for engaging this person. it would have been better of me to ignore his lie altogether, or bid him salaam, and wait for his lie to out in the end.
it’s too bad that the US and Canada do not permit the accused to demand that his accusers and prosecutors both swear to the truth publicly and to invoke publicly the wrath of Allah on the liar between them. verily if people who were accused of crimes, Muslims and non-Muslims alike, could take such an oath of truth and invoke wrath and destruction from Allah on themselves if they lied in their oaths and secured the same from their accusers and prosecutors, then i would be quite content. for my reliance is on Allah.
hasbunAllaho wa naymal wakeel.
and i apologize for the typos in the dua in my first post. it would have better read: Allahumaghfirlee. wafuanna, waghfirlinaa, warhamnaa. ameen.
AbuAbdAllah, the Houstonian
October 2, 2008 at 12:35 PM
and the difference between my knowledge and that of shaykh yasir’s is evident in how much better was his reply. mashaAllah.
Bint Bashir
October 2, 2008 at 5:20 PM
Mubins reaction is typical of one who knows in their heart they have wronged but who’s arrogance and pride will not them admit, it appears none of you believe his words nor have any time for him. But by abusing him and firing accusations etc (which i fully understand) you are giving him the attention he is craving. He wants fame and fortune as the pay offs prove then why help him to achieve this.
Do not give him the time of day, ignore his futile words and let Allah SWT deal with him, as you know Allah knows what is in the hearts and will deal with him accordingly.
I remind you all Mubin includedl;
Firstly; ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:
A man and a woman will be taken by the hand on the Day of Resurrection and a voice will call out before the first and the last, saying: ‘This is So and so the son of So and so. Whoever has any dues from this man let him come and take his dues,’ and the woman will rejoice if she had any (unfulfilled) right over her father, or over her son, or over her brother, or over her husband.” Then Ibn Mas’ood recited the verse (interpretation of the meaning):
“there will be no kinship among them that Day, nor will they ask of one another”
[al-Mu’minoon 23:101]
Allaah will forgive whomsoever He will with regard to His own rights, but He will not forgive with regard to the rights of other people.
Narrated by al-Tabari in his Tafseer, 5/90.
Secondly: If the one who has been wronged prays against the one who wronged him, he should not go to extremes in that and should not overstep the limits prescribed by Allaah.
Al-Hasan al-Basri said:
He should not pray against him, rather he should say, “O Allaah, help me against him and give me my right from him.”
The best du’aa’ that the one who has been wronged can say is that which was narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him):
It was narrated that Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to say: “O Allaah, make my hearing and my sight strong, and make them my heirs (i.e., keep them strong until I die), and support me against the one who has wronged me, and avenge me.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari in al-Adab al-Mufrad, 1/226; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Adab al-Mufrad.
It was narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) rarely left a gathering without saying this du’aa’ for his companions: “O Allaah, give us a share of fear of You that will keep us from disobeying You… and grant us revenge over those who have wronged us, and grant us victory over our aggressors.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 3502; classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.
Thirdly; Even better than that is to forgive and leave the matter of the wrongdoer to Allaah, may He be exalted, on the Day of Resurrection. The one who forgoes his right in this world will take it in abundance in the Hereafter, and his heart will be freed from resentment and grudges.
It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: a blanket of hers was stolen, and she started to pray against the one who had stolen it, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not reduce the burden of his sin.”
Narrated by Abu Dawood, no. 1497; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Targheeb, 2468.
So my advice to all of you is as our beloved Prophet SAW said: “Do not reduce the burden of his sin.”
Mubin
October 2, 2008 at 5:41 PM
See – we are STILL stuck on point one: that the charges were all false and without merit. This is THE underlying assumption. Notice not a SINGLE one of you terrorist cheerleaders has condemned planning and plotting terror attacks? Big long posts quoting ayaat and ahadeeth does not strengthen your position because what you have to show FIRST is that the charges are false and without merit.
Like I said – people like you here deny and deny. There is NOTHING you would accept as evidence and since I have first-hand knowledge of the matter – what makes you think you have ANY standing as to what transpired??? Your speculation and punditry is not PROOF.
To simply point to the money is not a proof either. You need to show that the money motivated me, and that I FALSIFIED based on promise of payment. The problem for you is that there is OVERWHELMING evidence to corroborate what I said I witnessed. Any falsification or exaggeration would be EASILY exposed – yet nothing of the sort hapened.
And by the way, I’m not here to convince you – only Allah can open your closed hearts, I am here to be a witness against your claims of kufr.
Mubin
October 2, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Yasir Kadhib – you SAY you are against terror but in FACT you are not. And you THINK its because of a guilty conscience I comment? LOL…vey funny. Maybe that’s what you have to tell yourself to feel better, I accept that.
BUT that you would not accept the evidence of a court that has been privy to wiretaps, audio and video — tells me that there is NOTHING you take as proof, which allows you to conveniently deny and dismiss at every turn. You say that its because the judge is a western official but if the Kafir says 1 + 1 = 2, will you deny that also? UNBELIEVABLE.
EVEN if a Shariah court made the same pronouncement you would STILL deny. Deaf dumb and blind…
You say you have doubt as to the abilities and intent of the accused – WHAT first-hand knowledge do you have in this regard that you think you can say this?! You don’t THINK they could – but what do you KNOW. C’mon, you think you’re a Shaykh – give me some EVIDENCE for your position – didn’t they teach you ANYTHING @ Medina U??
Finally, just to show how (once again) you are so totally ignorant of the situation that you think you have ANY ability to speak against me: people did not “find out” about me – I revealed EVERYTHING about myself, the case did not go bad for me at all, rather its gone REAL bad for your people.
Will you answer the questions I have asked Yasir?
Yasir Qadhi
October 2, 2008 at 8:10 PM
Mubin
– I used words such as ‘doubt’ and ‘skeptical’ to indicate how I felt; never once did I categorically state that these kids were innocent.
– I have met with the families (parents and siblings) of more than one of these teenagers, specifically to counsel them after they had been traumatized because of what has happened to their children. I have also met with numerous close friends of theirs. I have heard first-hand their side of the story. And while their families and friends cannot tell me knowledge of the unseen, I do trust their judgments and facts over yours. But I state in all honesty that I cannot judge their guilt or their innocence 100 %; what we were being critical of was the way you handled matters. And your current tone of responding does you little good.
Yasir
Mubin
October 2, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Yasir:
– Doubt and skepticism – to what end? Delusion?
– With respect to events, what “knowledge of the unseen” to you – is an eye-witness account to me and while I am pained at the families’ suffering, I put the blame on their kin, whose own hands sent forth what they did. One of those teenagers THANKED me for helping them – his two friends also wanted to meet and thank me. Perhaps Allah is putting them in this in exchange for forgiveness in the aakhira. I pray that is the case.
– My tone will reflect what is meted out to me.
Mubin
Qas
October 2, 2008 at 9:02 PM
Quite frankly mubin, you sound like a clown here. Assuming you were truthful and all, you still sound like an idiot.
Abu Maahi
October 3, 2008 at 1:42 AM
Br. Mubeen
“Guilty Consious always pricks the mind”
aarij
October 3, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Mubin
“Yasir Kadhib”? Have you no manners? How filthy are your akhlaq that you accuse a Muslim – and a well-respected community leader at that – of being a liar just because he criticized you and you couldn’t bear his words?
I don’t know the details of the case, so I will refrain from commenting. But I really hope Allah establishes justice between the brothers and you, sooner rather than later. If they were wrong and you were right, may Allah reward you for your actions. But if they were oppressed, their rights trampled and their freedoms snatched away unjustly for any reason whatsoever due to your actions, then may Allah deal with you, in this dunya and the akhira.
MaybeNotTooLate?
October 25, 2008 at 8:08 PM
Mubin,
I have never heard of you and until today always thought that these men even though innocent played with fire and have been stupid. But finding this webste has changed my mind. They were set up and that’s really sad that you and the other men have sold your brothers and distroyed their life for no real reason.
They had no weapons, were training and the gun you brought is the only gun (I read on this wesbite). Do you want to join the opportunists who jumped on the boat of after Sept 11 and make money of the misery of your brothers?
If you really meant well, why didn’t you advise them? They were not criminals, they were young men with clean pasts. Also, learning how to fight and train is a duty of all Muslims as is knowing how to swimm and how to hunt. It is the basics of survival.
You said in one of your message that you went to Umrah and thus must be cleaned of whatever sin? But you can’t be cleaned of the wrong you did to others until you bring justice and correct your mistake and not until you ask them for forgiveness.
Your personal sins are between you and Allah but the wrong you did to others, you will need to fix it and to ask for their forgiveness for Allah to forgive you. Indeed Allah forgive who He Wills but any Muslim know the distinction between the two different sins.
Brother, you are probably not happy to make other family suffer like this, why not correct what you did? You don’t have a good reputation anyway so you won’t lose an excellent reputation but you will seen as an honest man if you repair the mess you did with the other man Wajid Khan.
You said you love Canada and was born in Toronto thus don’t want anything bad to happen here. Well then, stop using our tax money and put young Canadians in jail!
Please DO something good Now!
Mubin Shaikh
October 26, 2008 at 4:13 PM
MAYBE – you are mistaken, like most that post here. That mistake rests on a number of false assumptions – entrapment being the biggest.
For example, you say the gun that was brought was mine. This was something claimed by Tariq AbdulHaleem in Unfair Dealing. Tariq spoke without knowing the facts and he also ASSUMED it was mine. The court has since proven that assumption to be incorrect. For the record, I have NEVER owned a gun in my life.
Second, about advising them. Brother, do you know that one day, while with one of the brothers, I exposed SEVERAL police surveillance cars that were following us to him? Complete with make and model. Did you know that the media has similarly reported that several others KNEW they were being watched, that their phones were tapped etc? YET – they did not stop or even lay low. How much advice would have been sufficient for them I ask myself and all of you?
Third, whatever sin I have committed I have sought (and will continue to seek) forgiveness for. The question now is what did Mubin Shaikh do against them? If he advised them and they did not listen, THEY are to blame “by what their own hands sent forth”.
Fourth – I did not risk everything for “reputation”. I truly do not care what people think only what I know Allah expects of me given the circumstances. Shall I pretend I did not see and hear what I did? Shall I LIE in face of wiretaps, intercepts and surveillance? Shall I LIE in the face of other corroborating evidence INCLUDING what some of the accused THEMSELVES have admitted? There is nothing to repair because I did not break anything.
Of course I am not happy at what has happened. They are still my Muslim brothers, but Islamic governance, especially law enforcement and public security dictate to me that those who violate the Sharia this way – MUST be punished. There are limits we must live within and when they are crossed, punishment comes.
And Allah knows best.
Mubin Shaikh
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Talal
April 1, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Mubin: MashaAllah you have done a very good job at responding. I knew of you a long time ago, before you got famous! When I heard the case happening in 2006 and saw you on tv, I thought you must have thought about this in depth. I have seen you work in the community through the masjids in Toronto – you have always defending the deen (p.s. I was there at medina mosque when you debated the missionaries who came) – you always had the answers and after the court ruling recently, Allah has indeed honoured you above what the others have claimed. Seriously, you have done us a great favour by catching these guys and bringing them to justice – only Allah knows what would have happened to all of us in Toronto if 1) something happened and 2) you went into hiding and all of us would be ignorant of who helped the govt. – you have preserved our honour and I thank you from my heart. w’salam TA
Amad
April 1, 2009 at 8:35 PM
Talal, is that a snark or are you really serious??
question
April 17, 2009 at 11:45 AM
if you hate the west why are you living here? you wouldn’t be able to live islam like this in Arab countries because the governments would send you to prison and torture you. Your OWN people would do that to you.
MaxtrixCrash
May 7, 2009 at 3:16 AM
Saad Khalid pleads GUILTY!?!? … that’s GOTTA hurt!
I’m dyin’ to know what Mubin Shaikh thinks of all this. Have to give him credit for being so open and up front about everything – that guy did not back down and run away, that’s guts. Surprised he has not commented yet already.
Mubin Shaikh
May 7, 2009 at 5:32 PM
The plea speaks for itself.
In my dreams I would expect someone to to have the integrity to say they were wrong about the case being a setup but alas, Salafi’s – I know them all too well. ;)
By the way, don’t think for a second he is the only one. When more come forward and recount what they were up to in open court – THEN I invoke ALLAH to take note of the comments on this page about me and my Islam and ask Him to forgive those who knew, and who knew not.
And Allah is sufficient for me.
Amad
May 7, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Mubin,
Actually, the only thing that the plea speaks for, is the plea itself. A “legal” guilty plea. This is no different from the brothers who had to plea guilty in the paint-gun VA training sting. When you are faced with the option of “cooperating” with prosecution in return for a reduced charge, knowing how the odds in the courts are stacked against you, I am not too surprised that someone eventually gave in. In fact, this is an indication of how vulnerable the prosecution feels its case is, if indeed they end up using the guy who plead guilty in speaking against the other.
Two more items for you:
1) This has nothing to do with salafis. If you think that “sufis” or non-salafis support you, you are being delusional or have a severe case of cognitive dissonance. I’d suspect 90% of the community doesn’t appreciate your actions, which brings me to the 2nd point
2) The only facts we know for sure, beyond denial, are that: (a) You set these brothers up or spied on them, and (b) You received financial compensation to do so. These two facts make the moral/Islamic case so starkly solid against you, then you need to invoke Allah for His forgiveness and worry about your akhirah, instead of invoking the comments here. If (a) was not associated with (b), you might have had some case for altruistic behavior, but in the absence of that, there is little else to prevent you being called (justifiably so), a sell-out. Because you could have helped “heal” these brothers from their alleged radicalism, instead of taking them to the gallows.
Finally, please tell me that the guilt of your actions is not gnawing on your conscious every night? I hope it is, that would reflect some iman.
Mubin Shaikh
May 7, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Oh brother – I truly pray Allah open the eyes of your heart. You have a priori dismissed any outcome from this case as being a proof of 1) a conspiracy and 2) not the result of entrapment – two issues confirmed by two separate legal rulings.
Secondly, wether they plead guilty or are found guilty, you will continue to make irrational excuses. Do you for even a second think that the court is stacked against them because of EVIDENCE? OR do you think the evidence is TOTALLY fabricated, whereby EVERYTHING we are hearing and seeing is simply…made up?
I am trying to understand what would convince you to prove to you my words that I have been typing here for too long. Here I thought one guilty plea would help but alas….no problem, there are more coming and they will admit with their own tongues what they were doing.
As to #1: For both groups, the biggest argument was the possibility of entrapment – which was refuted in court. So, all the myth-making pertaining to set up etc. has fallen flat on its face. If people cannot accept it even then, even when one of them pleads guilty – brother, you tell me WHAT hope is there for you except the Mercy of Allah? What?
As to #2: Its not guilt that brings me back and neither is there any desire to rub it in – do you hear me apologizing for anything? Do you read ANYWHERE in my statements that I have been unable to show you in earnest faith and first-hand knowledge the error of your ways? SO let me tell the sheep of this world of “undeniable facts” of setup: WHAT facts do you have Amad? Haatoo burhanakum in kuntum saadiqeen! Have you attended a single day of court? Have you read a single page from any of the verdicts? I didn’t think so. You know jack squat.
As to the money – I am of the opinion that the safety of innocent people is paramount and the honour of MY community is well protected by demonstrating by example the level of our justice to all people, Muslim or otherwise. I will gladly take payment for services I can offer in a professional capacity, especially when no one else is willing to step up to do the right thing and especially when there are so many who are RUINING the good name of Islam. Take YOU for example, you make excuses for those who would be put to DEATH in most other (Muslim or non) country. Let me guess, they are all sellouts also and only YOU are the true Muslim, right? Smells like Khawaarij spirit to me.
As I said, WHEN others plead guilty and actually SAY what they did – WHAT else is left for you? I sincerely cannot understand what the obstruction in your mind is.
Must be the Salafi in you. ;)
Amad
May 7, 2009 at 7:27 PM
khawarij, salafi, throw in a little wahhabi and takfiri, it would seem you’re ready to work for Quilliam!
When people start resorting to stupid labels, without any regard to what the labels actually mean, then it is obvious they have no real argument, except to move people’s opinions with labels. I don’t have a particularly rich and historic label for you, except one, “loser”.
I am very glad that about your admission that you provide professional entrapment service. That is what we call putting one’s foot in one’s mouth.
Must be the sellout in you.
Mubin Shaikh
May 7, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Just to show you how EXACT I am – if you go all the way to the earlier posts, you will see how I have addressed this issue already from the beginning. I understand how you must feel: so many invested so much in the entrapment myth, in the conspiracy myth and now ALL of you have to admit that you were WAAAAAY off.
However, what is TRULY mind boggling is how a guy who has NO facts, NO proof whatsoever, NO knowledge of court proceedings…is gonna tell the COURT (that DOES have the facts, DOES have the proof and PROVIDES the knowledge that results from proceedings) what the reality of the situation is!
Dude – can you really be THAT delusional? Everybody tells me not to waste my time arguing with people like you who are SO blinded by their myth – but I am really trying to understand how you can STILL repeat the very same things you’ve been saying for months now ESPECIALLY after one guilty verdict, one no-entrapment ruling and one guilty plea from one of the participants in the bomb plot.
What does it take I wonder? Seriously.
SupportT18
May 12, 2009 at 9:41 PM
hey mubin do not forget an adult trial is still coming – you may have won this round…
CopsNeedLawyers
September 30, 2009 at 1:24 PM
yo whats with the 2 saad’s pleading guilty? man i got on a bus for those guys, sent emails, wrote letters, printed flyers and now they admit they were involved? this hurts alot – may Allah save them somehow
Omar
January 10, 2010 at 2:11 PM
While it may seem you have been betrayed by your fellow brothers, realize that many times people plead guilty in exchange for a lesser sentence. I interviewed one of the brothers who is in prison waiting for his trial and was told that he has thought about pleading guilty himself just to get away from the harsh treatments in prison.
Full details of the interview will be available in the Spring issue of Muslim Quarterly.
SupportT18
May 23, 2009 at 12:27 PM
hey mubin the youth is out. and the star says the judge quoted what you said about him. i am confused very much – how do you know so much about everything – who else is getting out? that why you did not come to court yesterday? you know he was walking? HOW?
Mubin
May 24, 2009 at 1:36 PM
The youth was given a 2.5 year sentence, which was served by pre-trial custody. He walked out on Friday.
SupportT18 you ask how I knew he would be walking. I say to you that remember when I came into trouble for disagreeing with the guilty verdict? I said he should be released.
This same criminal court proceeding so many have been deriding and insulting (even among so-called Canadians who attack the judge and courts in disrespect) is the SAME process that has stayed charges against several youth and 2(?) adults. Have faith, I tell you.
This same court is telling you very close to what I have been telling you all along – have faith I tell you.
You ask how I know these things…if I was to then show you by flying in the air — would you believe me?
Let’s wait – more trials are coming so I know what I can say or not say: I am not new to this anymore. ;)
And Allah Alone Saves!
Omar
January 10, 2010 at 2:14 PM
Mubin,
E-mail me if you want to be interviewed regarding the ‘Toronto 18.’ It will be published in the Spring issue of Muslim Quarterly and will be available in the newsstands, Insha’Allah.
info@MuslimQuarterly.com
Muslim Loyalty
December 16, 2009 at 10:13 PM
I recently found out that a family friend works as an employee for CSIS. Is this ok? IS this permissible in Islam?
How should we treat this person?
What can we do or say to this person?
Please advise
Your brother
aqmamin
April 2, 2010 at 1:15 AM
The extremist media has concealed the real extremists. For example israel can slaughter the civilian population in Gaza. But the Palestinian children fighting back with stones are extremists and terrorists. The American view is that people can explode bombs for promoting the american defined democracy, but not for Shariah laws. Indeed we live in paradoxical world. The so called Saudi scholars will support any group that issues one side condemnation of terrorism, but the same scholars will remain silent on the Anglo-US terrorism in Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen. What the West does, is simple modern day oil piracy. Muslims want a world that is free from all types of terrorism coming from individuals, groups, political parties and STATES. The Saudi scholars call for the stopping of the actions of the non-State actors while they justify State terrorism carried out through illegal invasion and disproportionate slaughter of civilians. Call for a nuclear free world not just a nuclear free Iran.
Mubin Shaikh
May 28, 2013 at 1:34 PM
After YEARS of trash talking by members of the community – as can be seen right here on this page – you will notice that after the GUILTY verdicts, they all stopped posting.
At some point, you need to ADMIT when the evidence is clear otherwise, how can we then say we are against terrorism but then make up stories and claims, which have no basis in fact?
1. COURT EVIDENCE in the case (not your rhetoric and make-believe defense of the case):
http://www3.thestar.com/static/toronto18/index.html
2. Here is the main ringleader ADMITTING and APOLOGIZING:
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2010/01/14/apology_read_by_zakaria_amara.html
3. Here is a clip of Zakaria Amara’s cellphone-triggered bomb detonator: no agent, no govt. materials, all him. When faced with this evidence, his supporters claimed it was a “school project.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq4nbT-3Ynw
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