McCain said he is going to kick the ‘you know what’ out of Obama in this debate.

I don’t see how this is possible considering McCain will be sitting right next to him and can’t exactly avoid eye contact and walk around the stage in anger like last time

Hmmm… in my head, Obama is so far ahead, He already won in my book. Unless McCain comes on and annouces he fired Palin, or that he is now promoting someone worth being my president. Obama will still have my vote.

Sigh, i really think we need a box that says, “try again… you still have 2 months until inaugeration day to find a guy who is NOT an idiot.”

no disrespect, but since Muslimmatters.org is not purely a site for americans, i have to ask, are you bloggers americans who can vote? or from other countries?

Joe the plumber may get lot of redneck business now.

McCain is on full offensive, I do not think it is going to pay off

Joe is already redneck, southerner republican…

No Joe is real person.

I do not understand how easily McCain equated universal healthcare to socialism, while his republicans (Bush and co) already made USA a semi socialist state

McCain seemed nervous and blinked a lot.

I missed 20-25 minutes because of isha. McCain is cartoon as well.

Honestly, I think McCain did much better job in every debate compared to what Bush did in 2004, and also a lot better than what Palin did in her one debate. He knows his stuff, he is good debater, sometimes aggressive. But unfortunately the whole context/environment we are living in is not helping him. So on many occasion, his many answers are more accurate and gives right assessment, but its just not working,

On the other hand, Obama is excellent orator and speaker, very decent debater. Plus everything is working in his favor, all he has to do is to stay cool (and he has been doing that). His few answers may not resonate with us or some, but people are overlooking these right now.

innalhamdolillah. it might work even better as an Obama ad. “Tribute to a American hero” or something like that.

bismillah. okay, this MM article is now Dugg. we can invite the whole Digg universe to this open thread — just digg it!

McLame would throw a jab at Obama then nod/smile like he was winning this campaign. My campaign is about issues..btw you have connections with Ayers, you were on the board for Acorn…my campaign is about not raises taxes for anyone. (nod…smile)

When Bob asked Obama whether he thought Palin was fit to be president….i held my breath because I wanted him to say soooooo much more than I’ll let the American people decide that. I wished he would have just taken a tinsy winsy jab at her intelligence level…i know it wouldn’t have happened in real life.

I can predict the next SNL episode. Obama is going to be smoking a cigar and looking at his watch…like when is this debate over so i can go home! While McCain is going to be calling him names and blinking continously…sweating a little while watching Obama’s lead according to the poll numbers increase from 12, 14, 15, 16…aaaahhhhh OK the end! :)

bismillah. digg it up! 5 diggs and counting…

Power of Diggs? “John Cleese on Sarah Palin” 6333 Diggs and counting. I might never have found the video except that it was so popular when I found it — at least 3000 diggs earlier! That’s why we need to Digg the articles on MM, too.

I think the Cleese video is good (and clean, no crass comments). And the comments — about 500 of them — are interesting, too.

Wanna digg my comments?
What might Michael Palin say?
Palin want to be President?

bismillah. think either candidate would feel very bad about this one: Suspected U.S. drone attack in Pakistan, one killed?

why not be glad if the target was “legitimate?” US heavy weapons strikes have become a lot more precise since the Vietnam War, but one thing has not changed since then. when artillery and jets rain down destruction anywhere near civilians, especially on a regular basis, the populace grows to hate those pulling the trigger. and in Vietnam that spelled disaster for America. are our air attacks in Afghanistan also winning battles and losing the war? quite possibly. why do our leaders not see that it would almost certainly be the same in Pakistan?

Does the McCain healthcare plan just give you 5k cash and you can spend it anyway? or does it enforce somehow that 5k must be spent on healthcare? if it’s 5k cash, I like that better (islamically)…that way, we’re not obligated to pay for insurance…

http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/joe-the-plumber-wurzelbacher-related-to-charles-keating-oops/

The only thing I learned from this debate was both Obama and McCain favor the redistribution of wealth.

i watched the debate almost twice last night……while sittign through hurricane omar……

From today’s column by Justin Raimondo:

The economic crisis – caused in large part by the economic consequences of militarism – has set into motion a fundamental shift in American politics, one that is a perfect breeding ground for the rise of a genuinely fascist system. Our own form of Caesarism will have distinctly American characteristics, of course, but the universal pattern will run true to form: a system of economic corporatism, with all power invested in the State and the whole infernal machinery energized by a demonic sense of mission – in our own case, the “duty” to export the wonders of “democracy,” American-style, to the world, and otherwise Do Good.

All the ingredients are there, and the rise of Barack Obama to frontrunner status is particularly troubling at this particular historical conjuncture. With the media agog over him, and his “antiwar” supporters willing to suspend disbelief to a very great degree, President Obama will be in a position to prove his “toughness” in the foreign policy field without having to face much criticism. Indeed, he’ll earn praise for, say, confronting Vladimir Putin over Ukraine – “Watch Ukraine,” advised his opponent, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Obama is indeed watching it. Obama’s planned grand scale re-invasion of Afghanistan is already being hailed by yesterday’s “liberals” – tomorrow’s hawks – as we dig ourselves into a deeper hole than was ever dug in the sands of Iraq.

The militarization of the economy, the regimentation of capital and – eventually – labor, will make the War Party’s job all that much easier. The centralization of economic power in the hands of government officials will ensure that the resources of the nation will be directed, at will, to whatever ends are deemed necessary for victory. We are headed for a future where all the wealth of the nation, its energies and attention, are mobilized and marshaled by government as one would command an army. It will be a society perfectly suited to become a modern Sparta, one naturally inclined to militarism and war, as different from the old market-oriented America as the Borg is from human civilization.

Another danger sign: the Obama’s campaign’s remarkable haughtiness, which is just a reflection of his own regal manner. He’s acting like he’s already the President, and he hasn’t even been elected yet. Just wait until he gets into the Oval Office: an arrogance that had been merely annoying will become overweening. An arrogance, I might add, that is shared and carried to its logical conclusion by his fervent followers, who are just as extreme and often just as scary as their Republican counterparts.

In what has to be the most outrageous act of government intimidation of political opponents since the Alien and Sedition Acts, a group of prominent prosecutors and local law enforcement officials in Missouri, including in St. Louis and surrounding rural areas, have banded together and formed the “Obama Truth Squad.” Under the rubric of enforcing “campaign ethics laws,” they are threatening to take anyone to court who fails to tell “the truth” about the Dear Leader.

Where in the name of all that’s holy is the American Civil Liberties Union? Probably the same place they were before and during World War II – cheering on the prosecution of “reactionary” dissidents, including war opponents.

In the grim future we are headed for, anyone who dares oppose Obama’s policies, no matter how disconnected the issues are from race, is bound to be called a “racist,” if not by the White House then by its media amen corner, which will be the most obsequious since Stalin’s day. The media hated George W. Bush, and yet look how easily they fell for his guff in the run-up to the Iraq war. Just imagine what a starry-eyed fourth estate will let the Obama administration get away with! I shudder to think of it.

Assuming he wins the White House, it will be a huge problem just finding out what’s going on, what with the mainstream media anesthetized, and the liberals cheerleading the administration’s every move. In the age of Obama, Antiwar.com is an absolute necessity – now more than ever. The War Party, far from being banished from Washington, is simply re-entering through the back door.

Do read the whole article.

yah they are steaming really low

here is some of the stuff the gop has been doing now

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=12383

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/17/gop-pamphlet-ayers-is-ter_n_135526.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/16/massive-rnc-robocall-may_n_135348.html

so now lets act

tell mcain to end the politics of hate (suhaib webb also has this on his site)

http://therealmccain.com/mob/

Here is Justin Raimondo on the Establishment Messiah:

Now, let me just close by saying this. I do not think this is going to be easy. It’s not going to come without costs. We are all going to need to sacrifice. We’re all going to need to pull our weight, because now, more than ever, we are all in this together. Now, that’s part of what this crisis has taught us, that, in the end of the day, there’s no real separation between Wall Street and Main Street. There’s only the road we’re traveling on as Americans. And we will rise or fall on that journey as one nation and as one people.
~Barack Obama

Thus the junior senator from Illinois rationalizes his support of the bailout. And if you read the whole speech, you’ll find that it is highly unusual, especially for a Democratic politician. There is none of the class warfare rhetoric, none of the Palinesque denunciations of “greed” and “predatory” lenders, which made the perky GOP vice presidential nominee sound, at times during the VP debate, like a combination of William Jennings Bryan and Father Coughlin. Oh no, that’s not Obama’s style at all, and especially when it comes to the bailout issue, because, you see, his entire mission is to convince the American people that there truly is “no separation between Main Street and Wall Street”—because, after all, he is Lehman Brothers’ bridge between the two. As the OpenSecrets.org web site points out, Lehman Bros. was generous with its contributions to members of Congress, especially Democrats:

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bismillah. i guess we go through another political open thread this sunday — lines in houston on today’s last day of early voting were as long as 8 hours!