Yasir Qadhi | A Proud, Patriotic, Shariah Practicing American

NOTE: This was published in The Commercial Appeal, the largest newspaper of Memphis, TN. It is intended for a general American readership.

Cross-posted with “Faith in Memphis

Two Tennessee legislators have proposed what amounts to a ban on the Islamic system of ethical, spiritual and legal teachings known as shariah.The authors of the bill incorrectly define shariah as a system of legal, political, military and religious laws that calls its followers to overthrow the United States’ government through brutal force, acts of terrorism, and ‘holy war’ (i.e., jihad), in order to establish itself as the sole political and religious power in the world.

Sounds pretty frightening, doesn’t it? If I did not know any better, I would be the first to jump on the bandwagon and support any effort to ban such a nefarious system, not just in Tennessee but all across my country.

But there is just one major problem: the ‘shariah’ that this bill defines is a shariah that I don’t recognize, nor do the millions of American Muslims who proudly claim allegiance to this country, nor does the recognized body of Muslim scholars formally trained in the study of shariah.

I have dedicated my life to the study of Islamic law. I want to correct the basic premise upon which this proposed bill is based.

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The word ‘shariah’ literally means ‘path,’ and for all Muslims, the shariah is a set of ethics and laws they believe will lead them to God’s mercy.

The bulk of the shariah, approximately 70 percent, deals with rituals of worship. For example, the shariah tells me that I should regularly take time out of my day to remember God. It advises me to give charity, and instructs me that a percentage of my earnings and savings should be dedicated for the poor.

The shariah instructs me how to fast every year in order to cultivate patience and to feel unity with those who are less fortunate. It asks me to commemorate the faith of the Prophet Abraham by visiting the house of worship that he built in Mecca, and details the rituals that I should perform during this pilgrimage.

Approximately 25 percent of the shariah deals with dietary restrictions and personal economic and family laws. Just like kosher laws for Jews, Muslims have their own laws in the shariah that regulate the way animals should be slaughtered, taking into consideration respect for their lives and feelings.

Family law in the shariah requires Muslims to follow religious customs when marrying or divorcing. For example, a husband is obliged to gift his wife a monetary gift at the time of marriage and is also obliged to pay an additional amount in the case of divorce. The shariah also prohibits Muslims from dealing in usurious transactions. All of these laws, far from opposing the laws of the land, are in fact protected by our U.S. Constitution.

It is true that some laws of the shariah are intended for application at a national level, and include punishments for murder and theft. These laws make up a portion of the remaining five percent of the shariah.

However, these laws are intended to be applied in a system of government that derives its rules from Islam.

But much of the Shariah is not codified and is instead based on interpretation. So even in a hypothetical Islamic state — and that’s the only kind there is — various jurists and theologians will have different understandings and interpretations of shariah in any given situation, much like American judges will differ over the intent and understanding of the Constitution.

Such a hypothetical system of Islamic government is not being championed by American Muslims. In fact, it is highly debatable whether such a system even exists anywhere in the world, including Iran.

Even more importantly, the Constitution of my homeland — the United States of America — mandates the separation of church and state. My fellow American Muslims and I understand, appreciate and fully support that mandate.

The proposed bill purports to protect those who choose to peacefully practice Islam in their lives. Unfortunately, the proposed bill also makes the word “shariah” synonymous with the word “terrorist”. That likeness is grossly inaccurate and runs against the very values that shape the American landscape.

One of the fundamental principles that makes this country so different from others – and hence so great – is the religious freedoms guaranteed by our Founding Fathers through the Constitution. It was an idea they considered so sacrosanct that they enshrined it in the Bill of Rights.

I cherish this freedom. The claim that those who desire to follow the shariah actually harbor a secret desire to overthrow the Constitution and supplant it with shariah law is outlandish.

The ‘shariah’ that the proposed bill tries to ban is not based upon Islamic tenets, is not desired by American Muslims, and is absolutely prohibited by the U.S. Constitution. The value added by this bill is, therefore, null, but the fear and stigma it creates is potentially dangerous and divisive.

History has taught us what fear-mongering does to a civil society.

The Nazis could not have succeeded in their goal if they had not instituted an active campaign of instilling paranoia and fomenting an intense hatred against minority groups in Germany.

In this great land of ours, a hundred thousand Japanese Americans were interned because of irrational fears about internal threats to America. I cannot help but think that the current climate of fear against Muslims reeks of the McCarthy Hearings of the 1950s. Do we really want to go down this route again?

American Muslims, like all people of faith, are working to navigate their way of life into the American framework. No reputable Muslim group in America is calling for overthrowing the U.S. government or establishing some sort of Islamic government.

What we are asking for is what all Americans of faith ask for: that we be allowed to live under the laws of the land and according to the tenets of our faith. To deny us this right is not just unconstitutional, it is anti-American.

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95 responses to “Yasir Qadhi | A Proud, Patriotic, Shariah Practicing American”

  1. Yusofa zadn says:

    Free will was instituted by our Creator from the. Very beginning of this world (4th as we have been learned). In His/her greatness t he universe is completely filled with HIs energy including our very souls that partake of HIs Greatness, knowing no gender, but given the gift to rise above our animal soul (from the vey earthy soil we stand on) thru the base desires we possess and share among the animal kingdom. yet many people seek to deny their human body’s need to contain both souls to elect this world thru our good works and embrace all mankind to use their free will to find righteousness from within their own mind, bodies and souls in all their thoughts, words and deeds to be an example not only to their own community but the lost souls of Islam. How can we not overlook that the million or so Muslims that have made themselves judge and jury when it comes to those that are righteous in their own vision of the Al- Mighty? Should we concentrate on being the best example to humanity without using techniques, forums, food kitchens, prisons, ect. as pulpits we so detested to force so many Muslims to accept CHristianity or Buddhism or Hinduism? In this day of technology and how small this world has become when there isn’t literature, writings, teachings on the key to being true monotheistic among free nations? Why must others be missions or missionaries when the world is lured by the sweetness of righteous rather than sword or even misrepresentation of our silent motives? While we can live a just and pious life in America in our own communities can all the good that is done by so many be emphasized over how others no of our sect or from our homeland, or are lax in their devotions, should we try to Bring home our own lost sheep before we lose our freedoms to the few that have made themselves into a one-per on judge and jury in Western counties? We need to show modern, educated communities around the globe that thrive in their goal to have dedicated their lives to our Creator while having been born & raised in China, Russia, Africa, South & North America & teach the world that the majority of MUslims live in INdonesia and not in the deserts of the MIddle East or in the confines of censored states ruled by misguided greedy leaders that were lured by power, beauty, money and fear losing control of the people, thus falling off their thrones in disgrace. When people are able to use their free will & choice, true seekers of our righteousness will find the true path & will end up being the examples of goodness we can find here and elevate it to the true glory of our mission to make this world into a paradise here on earth that will have people seeking out great scholars to grow themselves–maing this world into the very mission that was renewed with Noah, passed on to his son Shem and taught to IBriham whom we know, removed all doubt of anyone or thing could ever share the true throne of Glory. And when our holy soul which partakes of His Energy which is everywhere, one day when she returns in it’s pristine state given to us here on earth so that we have the ability to change this world for the better, as only humans can by HIs own design and the only creatures that have the power to chose between good and evil, thus, we must begin with ourselves, then our families, then our communities, so the examples that shine will be positive and not negative. As no man is an island, when a brother or sister slips, the whole community is held responsible. This is common among all peoples, thus, we should heed the warnings that by trying to force others to accept our way of life, they must first see we not here to use so-called friendships as missions to convert people, but a way to bring goodness thru uniting those that will hold those that want to destroy evil by their own hand, accountable.

    • Olivia says:

      thank you for sending this article. I appreciate the much needed discussion of Sharia Law. I find myself shouting at the TV in frustration at the many references to Sharia law by commentaors, for instance Hannity and OReilly , when thry do not have a clue. I am very disgusted at the hearings which are being held by Congress and absolutely no efforts to educate the public. I remember having to sign a document that I was not a Communist in order to keep my teaching position. Obviously, we have made no progress although
      claiming we believe in relious freedom.
      We will have to Scipe again soon but it became less urgent when we will all be seeing you soon.. I am so happy with the photos you sent. I have shared them with friends and plan to bring them tomorrow when the five of us go to Briar Ridge for Saint Patrick Day traditional corn beef and cabbage.The picture on the cover of the four of you is precious The day was important to Grandpa as his mother was born in Ireland. We always had our family here. We are having the first spring weather today so I am going for a walk. I was thinking of the four of you when sitting on the patio sunroom.
      Hugs to all of you. It is a good feeling to know Kathy will be there soon..

  2. Bismillah,

    I Ask Allah the al-Mighty to Honour you Abu Ammar.
    I ask Allah to grant you protection from the evil that seeks you and your family.
    I ask Allah to aid you and strengthen you in all that is right and to protect you and shelter you from all that is error.

    I pray for Allah to increase your fame and honour your name with the association to the Sunnah and way of Muhammed (s).

    Hold your head up high and keep your heart firm and maintain your private worship and ‘Ibadah.

    Remember your beginnings and the ambition to serve others. That is our key to success.

    Your brother
    Yahya Adel Ibrahim
    http://www.facebook.com/yahya.adel.ibrahim

  3. SZ says:

    WOW… Alhamdullilah for well versed American scholars like Shaykh Yasir Qadhi, who understand our religion well enough to explain it to the layman, from our faith and other faiths. Thank you for this, especially in this time, with all that is going on with Peter King, Irvine 11, etc!

    • ali says:

      Thank you for your article Mr. Qadhi. We need more scholars like you who appreciate the law of the land and religious freedom in our personal worship. This is a most critical message in these days.

      Innovative and smart scholars like you can help keep religion and state separate. Like American Muslims accept it in the US, most of educated Pakistanis want exactly the same thing in Pakistan. Most educated Muslims especially with an American background want the same thing in our countries. So we can enjoy the freedom of the west while practicing our religion.

      Your message definitely plays a vital role in keeping state and religion separate in countries such as Pakistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, Syria, etc.

      • F says:

        Correction: the ruling elite of Pakistan, who form a tiny majority and are generally the least practicing, want to implement a complete secular system.

        The vast majority of Pakistanis want a combination of moderate Islamic law and freedom in their personal lives as well as in choosing the government.

  4. Muslim says:

    Wow we support the secular mandate? Is that what Rasulullah(saws) would have done?

    • Abdullah says:

      The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, would cooperate with non-Muslims regarding issues of justice and human rights. As he said: ‘”I witnessed a confederacy in the house of ‘Abdullah bin Jada‘an. It was more appealing to me than herds of cattle. Even now in the period of Islam I would respond positively to attending such a meeting if I were invited.” [Ibn Hisham 1/113,135]

      The point of American secularism is that the government is religiously neutral, not atheist. It is very different from French or Turkish secularism. The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, would cooperate with a confederacy of Mushrikeen if it benefited people, so why is it wrong to cooperate with the People of the Book who are even closer to the Muslims?

    • ali says:

      Muslim, you have to innovate and modernize. Why are you trying to live in the 14 century? When most muslims in the US and in the muslim countries dont want sharia, why do you want to force it down their throats. Yasir Qadhi deserves full credit for this highly innovative concept and for helping keep sharia out of the lives of Muslims across the globe. Very few scholars have said such things. The closest I can think of is javaid ghamdi from Pakistan.

      I hope Mr. Qadhi realizes the value of his work for secularism in the muslim world and not just the US.

      • Qas says:

        I think you’ve misconstrued Shaikh Yasir Qadhi’s intent to the other extreme.

      • Islam says:

        Ali,

        Why not just modernize and innovate and change the deen of Islam to something else….I mean why should muslims pray 5 times a day…it seems so time consuming and unproductive?

        Islam gave us rules and systems. Our example is the Prophet (pbuh). He implemented Islam which includes a polical, economic and social system. Again he is our example and the Quran clearly says we must follow his Sunnah.

        By trying to change or so called “modernize” the basic principles of Islam, then you might as well throw all of Islam away and call yourself something else other than a Muslim.,

  5. abdur says:

    The democratic system in America that gives sovereignty to man instead of Allah (swt) is NOT compatible with the teachings of Islam. No True Muslim can happily live in America and witness millions of Americans displeasing Allah (swt) by practicing the Un-Godly system of secularism, democracy and liberalism.

    The Shariah as a political system is superior to any other way of life including the American democratic system. As Muslims it is our job to call Americans away from their secular practices and invite them to the Shariah as a political system. This the TRUE way of our prophet (pbuh) and his companions (ra).

    I think the person that wrote this article needs to learn the concept of al wala wal baraa.

    • Yasir Qadhi says:

      Salam

      Before commenting, do realize that this article is not the time and place for a more nuanced discussion of my views – in fact I don’t even like the fact that its being posted on MM because it is not intended for an MM audience (meaning: it is very simplistic, as it needs to be, because it attempts to explain what Shariah is to people in Tennessee who believe that the Shariah is worse than fascism and promotes terrorism).

      If you want a more nuanced and academic discussion, listen to:

      – “Towards Formulating a Vision for Muslims in the West”

      – Ummah versus Nation State (both of these lectures can be found online)

      and also read my article on this issue:
      http://muslimmatters.org/2010/03/01/gods-law-and-man-made-laws-muslims-living-in-secular-democracies/

      What I am saying is that it is not allowed, even according to our Shariah, to live as citizens in this land and to then plot and plan to overthrow the government and establish Shariah in its place. The Muslims in Abyssinia at the time of the Prophet understood that.

      Yes, we invite people to Islam. And the Shariah is an integral part of Islam But we don’t act treacherously and hatch secret plots against people whom we have an agreement with. If you choose not to have an agreement with them, that is your right and choice (I do not know your nationality). From my side, I have American citizenship, and that entails certain rights and restrictions on me.

      Yasir

      • Abdur says:

        A suggestion is maybe you should say that we as Muslims believe in the Shariah and want to PEACEFULLY invite them to the Shariah as an alternative way of life instead of the democratic system that currently exist.

        I understand that you may have not meant to down play the Shariah but it comes off as if you are belittling the Shariah with such quotes as.

        “Even more importantly, the Constitution of my homeland — the United States of America — mandates the separation of church and state. My fellow American Muslims and I understand, appreciate and fully support that mandate.”

        How could you as a Muslim fully support an un-Islamic concept such as separation between church and state?

        You must also remember that Muslims that don’t understand Islam are also reading this article and you must send them a message that we as Muslims must call for the Shariah in both Muslim and non Muslim countries but we must do it the proper Islamic way.

        • hassan says:

          How could you as a Muslim fully support an un-Islamic concept such as separation between church and state?

          So you want Christianity law to be law of the land in US?

          • ivoryTower says:

            Wouldn’t christian law be closer to shariah than a secular system, since it is based on Divine law (although corrupted in some cases) e.g. under Christian law gay marriage would not be allowed. Or would you prefer a law that allows gay marriage?

          • Salman says:

            There is no agreement as to what “christian” law actually is, especially with the myriad of different christian sects/groups/cults (i.e. Mormonism) that are proliferating all over America. Essayist Noam Chomsky has a good quote on this:

            American society is now remarkably atomized. Political organizations have collapsed. In fact, it seems like even bowling leagues are collapsing. There’s been a drift toward very fragmenting tendencies among groups, toward this sort of identity politics.”

            – Noam Chomsky

        • Abdullah says:

          The American concept of separation of church and state is simply a legal mechanism put in place to mitigate fighting between different religious groups and to prevent religious bias in the administration of government. It is part of the social contract Muslims are obligated to follow if they live in or visit the United States. Muslims are benefiting from this separation, otherwise the far-right Christians would have banned or imprisoned all Muslims a long time ago.

          When Muslims come to America, they must respect the social contract of security by obeying the basic civil laws legislated on the basis of Maslaha (public interest) and Ma’ruf (well-known good). Similarly, when non-Muslims visit Saudi Arabia, they must respect the social contract of security by obeying the Basic Law of Saudi Arabia. As Allah Almighty said:

          “O you who have believed, fulfill [all] contracts. (5:1)”

          • Abdur says:

            So if burying your girl babies becomes obligatory & all had to do it, you would obey that too?

            Obeying contracts implies that the contract is HALAL, not a contract the makes one do things that are haram.

            Even our prophet (pbuh) came into his kuffur dominated society and called against the people’s wrong doing. He never said “since I’m a minority I haft to follow their rules.”

          • Fawsia says:

            I agree with Abdullah wholeheartedly tolerance and freedom of religion is the cornerstone of this great country’s constitution. If America didn’t practice separation of church of state as minority we won’t be able to practice our religion freely as we do now. Personally I get nervous when I hear Sharia Law therefore I don’t blame the American public for being afraid of Sharia Law. When we hear Sharia Law is women can’t work, women are stone, hands are cut off. I am glad that Mr. Qadhi explained in layman’s terms.

      • Salman says:

        I agree with brother Abdur. When we try to distort or water down Islam to pander to an audience, and the Islamophobes call you out on it (which many can and will do) you are actually doing more harm than good (despite intentions). There ARE parts of shar’iah which ARE incompatible with secularism, however the larger point should be drawn to the fact that this is hysteria that is being whipped up by groups in Tennesee (as well as in Oklahoma and other states) with an agenda to perpetuate political power (via GOP political hands encouraging this) by associating Islam/Muslims with violence and Obama as a closet Muslim. The same entities which bankrolled Mubarek and cut deals with Qaddafi, then wondered why there was political violence coming from those very same lands (9/11 hijacker Muhammad Atta was Egyptian after all), now want Americans to demonize Muslims in America so that they can further consolidate and control events at home:

        Islamic radicalization hearings expected to energize GOP base

        • Abdullah says:

          Shaykh Yasir is not distorting Islam. He is following the correct fatwa. You do not seem to understand the Fiqh concept of contracted security. International relations is an advanced aspect of Islamic jurisprudence and you can’t simply reduce it to narrow-minded slogans and talking points.

        • Brother says:

          Salaam Salman,

          With regards to Qaddafi and Mubarak, at the end of the day, it is Muslims who keep, or kept as with Mubarak, them in power. Without the support of a significant number of Muslims, they wouldn’t last very long.

        • Fawsia says:

          You run to International affairs!!! I just want to know how this bill effects me and my family as a Muslim American who lives in Tennessee. And how can I explain the Sharia Law to my neighbors and family who happen to be non Muslims!!! I don’t care about Mubarak and Qadafi and who bank rolled their power grabbing, abusive governments it doesn’t effect my every day life as a practising Muslim American. Therefore I want to hear what this guy has to say and learn from his teachings.

      • Husain says:

        “Even more importantly, the Constitution of my homeland — the United States of America — mandates the separation of church and state. My fellow American Muslims and I understand, appreciate and fully support that mandate.”

        “What I am saying is that it is not allowed, even according to our Shariah, to live as citizens in this land and to then plot and plan to overthrow the government and establish Shariah in its place”

        Brother, the second statement does not accurately describe the first one. The first is an unequivocal endorsement [“understand, appreciate and fully support”] of a concept – namely that God is not to be obeyed in the political sphere of life (even if such legislation exists, which in the case of Islam it does) – otherwise known as secularism. The second is simply describing an action – we will obey the laws of the land. One need not believe in former to adhere to the latter. the former falls in the realm of the Aqeedah while the latter relates to ahkaam.

        Advice: When you write or speak to non-Muslims, pretend the audience has Muslims in it. Because it almost inevitably will.

      • ali says:

        So it follows that radical muslims living in non sharia based islamic countries have no right to live in those countries and then plot to impose sharia in those countries. This really is very useful for the educated secular muslims of Pakistan to stop the extremist from plotting to impose sharia. Thank you for you fatwa, you must spread this.

  6. Obey American Law? says:

    There is a common misconception among Muslims today, that they are obliged to obey the law of the land in whatever country they reside.

    Allah (SWT) says, “O Prophet (Muhammad SAW)! Keep your duty to Allah, and obey not the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Verily! Allah is Ever All ­Knower.” [EMQ 33.1]

    Furthermore, it must be understood that by not obeying the man-made law in a country, it does not mean that one has to go around, murdering, stealing, lying and cheating, but rather it should be clear that this Deen of Islam has been completed by Allah (SWT) and contains all the guidance, solutions and commands for every single circumstance and situation that an individual or community will ever or could ever face:

    Allah (SWT) says, “This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion” [EMQ 5.3] and, “And We have sent down to you the Book (the Qur’an) as an exposition of everything, a guidance, a mercy, and glad tidings for those who have submitted themselves (to Allah as Muslims).” [EMQ 16.89]

    Therefore, for Muslims living in countries not ruled by the shari’ah e.g. USA, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan etc. it is essential to seek the knowledge of the Deen of Allah (SWT), such as matters of ruling, judging, the economy, foreign policy, the social system etc. If they do this then it will enable them to apply the correct ruling for their reality, hence making their life truly Islamic instead of obeying the law of Allah (SWT) in some matters and obeying man-made law in other matters.

    May Allah (SWT) guide us all to realise that obedience is only to Allah (SWT) exclusively and for His sake we obey His Messenger and the legitimate Muslim rulers who rule by the law of Allah (SWT) unlike the tyrants in Muslim lands today.

    Allah (SWT) says “O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger (SAW), if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination.” [EMQ 4.59]

    • As Salam says:

      Mashallah….and what Islamic institute did you study at? I’m sorry, what is it that you have ijaza in? To make an assumption that “there is a common misconception among Muslims today” (assuming that the only Muslim not making that mistake is you) requires someone of recognizable knowledge.

    • Abdullah says:

      I am also curious to know from which street preacher you learned these talking points. The contract of security is an integral part of Islamic Fiqh that is discarded only by the cults of takfir known as the Khawaarij.

    • Brother says:

      You are taking quotes from the Prophet (pbuh) without giving any context. Islamaphobes do that all the time and have field days doing it. So what if a disbeliever tells you that you should pray 5 times a day? Or in more realistic terms, stop at red traffic lights?

      Also, the most learned person on this board that I am aware of is Sheik Yasser Qadhi. If we have insignificant knowledge of Islam, we shouldn’t be debating it like we are scholars. Can you share your credentials with us please? Jzk

  7. nayma says:

    Jazak Allahu Khairan Shaikh Yasir Qadhi for your clear and positive article at this time.
    So many of us want to say what you said but have the inability to express it. May Allah reward you for making it easier.

  8. sadia says:

    Assalama Alaykum

    I Ask Allah to protect Sheikh Yasir Qadhi his honor and his offspring.

    I love Allah and His LAW that’s why I agree Sh. Yasir Qadhi.

    Please make Dua for my children to the straight path of sunnah of Mohammad(PBH).

  9. yazen says:

    Assalamu alaikum,

    Jazzak Allahu Khairan for trying to clear up misconceptions and ignorance in the public regarding Muslims in America. All I would like to add is no matter how much someone may disagree with another Muslim’s opinion, it is pure ignorance and arrogance to post your disagreements in such condescending ways. If you have an alternative way in which you would have expressed an idea, then suggest it without trying to question the writer’s ikhlaas. And many people are confused about the concept ‘inviting to the Shariah.’ The idea is more likely ‘inviting to the Deen,’ which entails talking about aqeedah and tawheed first and foremost before you talk about Shariah. How many of you who are so quick to question the writer or other scholars on other websites actually spend your days calling people to tawheed instead of playing internet kung fu?

    • Abdullah says:

      This ignorance and arrogance is coming from young people who have learned their Islam from bloggers and street preachers instead of the authentic scholars of Islam and the Salaf.

  10. Linda says:

    Thanks you for this post and taking a nuanced and courageous stand at times based on the truth and an understanding that goes beyond the talking points of our scholars, students of knowledge and institutes.

    Why is there a lack of dynamic and critical thinking? Why do we get the same arguments, written in the same way for the last 20 years.

    Why are so few of our learned unable to present things in a manner that addresses the dynamic changes in the world.

    Jazakullah al khayr

    • Abdullah says:

      “Why is there a lack of dynamic and critical thinking? Why do we get the same arguments, written in the same way for the last 20 years.”

      Because the youth have been listening to the narrow-minded ideologues and street preachers of the cults of takfir instead of the authentic scholars. (See the fatwa posted below by Dr. Salah al-Sawy)

  11. Brother Yassir,

    Your post is right on!

    As an American-Muslim, I couldn’t agree with you more on what you said:

    “Even more importantly, the Constitution of my homeland — the United States of America — mandates the separation of church and state. My fellow American Muslims and I understand, appreciate and fully support that mandate.”

    That’s exactly has been the problem with Muslim countries where there is no separation of mosque and state.
    All Muslim countries (except Turkey) are languishing in poverty, illiteracy, and general backwardness. How many Nobel Prizes in science and literature has the Muslim ummah produced in the last hundred years: 3!!!!!

    • MW_M says:

      I think you misunderstood the shaykh, he said separation of church and state, not mosque and state

    • Mehdi Sheikh says:

      This is exactly the type of reasoning I was afraid this sort of simple-minded article would attract.

      Br. Guggen. When the Muslim world was the source of science and enlightenment of the rest of the world, we didn’t have Islaam confined to the private sphere, the Muslim lands were even then ruled by the Shariah. Therefore secularizing the Muslim countries is not the solution. The solution is to retrace our steps back and reestablish the Quraan and Sunnah in our lives and not be impressed with the lifestyle of hte Kuffaar or their servants like Kemal Ataturk.

      • Mahmud says:

        Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh\

        I think I love you(for Allah’s sake.)

        You always make comments that I support/really like. In fact, you are probably my FAVORITE commentator.

        Keep commenting but remember to say Bismillah before and also say your salams!

  12. MashAllah, good article Sheikh Yasir!

    It’s really sad that Sharia has been made synonymous with barbarianism in the west. So many people think that the main principles of the Sharia is hand cutting and women oppressing. I think after we make it clear to our fellow Americans that Muslims are not a threat, we need to educate the country on what this hypothetical Islamic state would actually look like.

  13. Abdullah says:

    By Dr. Salah al-Sawy

    Question:

    All praise is for Allah and that is sufficient; and peace be on His chosen slaves.

    To proceed:

    This is a question concerning one of the most important issues that the Muslim forced to live in the abode of disbelief—especially those that fight Islam and the Muslims—needs to understand. The question is about the kind of relationship one should have with the society in which he lives, whether on the level of the individual or the nation. Due to the enormous ramifications of this issue and its great importance, I would hope that the sheikhs could shed light on this issue from every angle so that the picture would become clear to all. I beg your permission to add some important questions:

    1 – Would a visa be considered a contract of security? Does it matter whether the country is fighting the Muslims or not?

    2 – Does a person who gets a fake visa and enters a country with it fall under the same verdict?

    3 – If a person got a fake passport and went to a non-Muslim country, then upon arrival, sought refugee status and entered the country on that basis until his case is looked into (maybe after several years they would either agree or refuse)—would someone who snuck into a non-Muslim country without a visa or otherwise fall under the same verdicts as someone who entered with a visa?

    4 – Is there a significant difference between seeking refugee status and obtaining a visa?

    And may Allah reward you well.

    Fatwa:

    In the name of Allah, all praise is for Allah, and may peace and blessing be upon the Messenger of Allah, his family and followers. To proceed:

    The visa is a contract of security, legally obliging both parties to refrain from harm, in accordance with [the definition of] the contract of security in all books of fiqh. This is also the fatwa that has been issued by almost all scholars in modern times. Countries that fight us and countries that befriend us are equal in this regard.

    The same verdict applies to anyone who gets a fake visa, because creating a misunderstanding of security entails security, in addition to the sin of forgery that remains with him.

    Even more deserving than this is the seeking of refugee status, for this is a contract complete in all the stipulations a contract of security would require. It is impossible for a country to grant protection to someone who harbors ill will towards them or who would set them up for treachery; and this issue should be clear and obvious.

    I hope this explanation has been comprehensive in meaning and that the reminder turns you away from any others; and Allah Almighty is more exalted and more knowledgeable.

    Read the original fatwa at the Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America

  14. Safdar says:

    JazakAllahuKhairan sheikh for a simple but enlightening article on the fine line separating the tenets of our Shariah, and governance (be it an Islamic one or otherwise). This effort can come at no better a time than now, when the very foundations of Islam, and the beliefs of many educated and knowledgeable Muslims, are being shocked by a growing rhetoric that Islam is a barbaric religion with a Shariah (laws???) that yields no mercy.
    But, the Shariah, as rightly pointed out, does not entail only laws pertaining to civil, social, political and criminal governance. Shariah should be part and parcel of every moment in a Muslim’s life; as IT is guaranteed by Allah(swt) to be the ‘path’ to success in this life and the hereafter.

    Doesn’t our religion tell us to refrain from actions which can be dangerous to oneself or others? So, do we really have to be told to halt at a ‘STOP’ sign, or avoid speeding. It is amazing to see the expression of respect you get when you tell a fellow non-Muslim that I do not want to speed, or evade US taxes, or have a Savings account; or backbite, as my Shariah forbids it. Is this the same Shariah which the media has so conveniently branded as being inhumane?

    As a leaving note, I am pretty alarmed at the exuberant hostility and insult that many of our Muslim bloggers have expressed in response to such a simple, straight write-up. Please let’s avoid the sarcasm, insult, and name-calling; and win each other’s understanding, agreement or discord thorough words of love and respect. If we (including the author) were all right on our respective views; then can either one of us justify that the taxes we pay as ‘Proud, Patriotic, Shariah practicing Americans’ be acceptable by the ‘founding fathers’ of our religion, or by Allah(swt), as being within the bounds of Shariah; when it is our own earnings that are used to fund the persecution and killing of Muslims worldwide.
    Wassalam

  15. Mohamed Al-Jazaeri says:

    Although I may not agree with Shaykh Yasir (May Allah preserve him and increase his knowledge) on all of his opinions. I must say that he seems to display tremendous patience. I do not know how he can even waste his time responding to some of our brothers who clearly show nothing but ignorance. Quoting verses and traditions of the Prophet (peace be upon him) without having any knowledge of the intended meaning. My brothers, fear Allah: Let us learn the basics of our religion.

  16. Umm Aman says:

    BismillahirRahmanirRaheem
    assalamu alaikkum warahmathullahi wabarakathuhu,
    May Allah,subhnata’ala guide us to the straight path and keep us on the straight path forever.

    I wonder why there is always a black and white approach to any article published. I wish people remove their prejudice about the author or the topic before they read an article. Read the article as many number of times as you could before you comment. Give 70000 excuses to your fellow muslim if (i stress, “if”) there is any mistakes and comment it in a gentler way. This way we can learn better from our scholars.

    I ask Allah,subhanata’ala to remove suspicion, jealousy, prejudice from our hearts and help us to appreciate and enjoin each other in good. I ask Allah,subhanata’ala to keep us muslims united on the straight path. I ask Allah,subhanata’ala to bless our scholars, reward them immensely, forgive their shortcomings and protect them and their families from all the evil that HE has created. inshaAllah .ameen.

    Different audience require different approach to deliver the same message. I feel that this is what sh.yasir qadhi has done. I ask Allah,subhanata’ala to give us the correct understanding of the deen.

    • Abdhaqq B says:

      Excuses true. Mistakes true. However, intentionally and repeatedly- not just here in this article- ignoring basic concepts of al walaa wal baraa is not something to take lightly. That is if that person has got his or her bearings right as regards this matter. The Prophet was gentle, and yes in order situations he was affirmative and harsh when the situation demanded it. He did not dig out for 7000 excuses. Check the seerah out properly and you will find examples. Also in the life of Abu Bakr and Umar. The inability to even detect how far we have been tasered down or poisoned from within not to have alwaala and baraa is even more saddening.

  17. Brother says:

    Patriotism or Nationalism?

    I am curious to know if patriotism is ok in Islam? Patriotism is extremely subjective, which may make it very hard to answer. But those protestors in the OC were draped in American flags and calling to basically kill (“early meeting in paradise” as per the words of one of their leaders) the attendees of the fundraising event. No doubt that in their own minds, they were expressing the epitomy of patriotism.

    So then the question what level of patriotism is acceptable in Islam?

    • Abdullah says:

      When we discuss any term we need to define what we mean. If by “nationalism” and “patriotism” we mean love for one’s homeland in a manner that does not conflict with the rights of Allah and the rights of human beings, then this is permissible. If by “nationalism” and “patriotism” we mean love for one’s homeland above the love of Allah and His Messenger, peace be upon him, then of course this is impermissible. So it depends on how you define these terms. Allah knows best.

      • Salman says:

        Seems your ignorance is only superceded by reflexively responding/spamming other people’s posts without even a vague, passing familiarity with basic Islamic concepts. May wish to ask your “sheikh” about the following hadiths the next time you seek to worship him:

        He is not one us who calls for `Asabiyyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for `Asabiyyah or who dies for `Asabiyyah.”

        And in another Hadith, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) referring to nationalism, racism, and patriotism said:

        Leave it, it is rotten.” [Muslim and Bukhari] and

        in the Hadith recorded in Mishkat al-Masabith, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said:

        He who calls for `Asabiyyah is as if he bit his father’s genitals

        Source: The Prohibition of Nationalism in Islam

        the impoverished state of Islamic knowledge that exists among such bankrupted people such that basic concepts such as tribalism, patriotism, and nationalism that even have to be contested as something not from Islam speaks for itself.

        • Abdullah says:

          Asabiyyah was defined by the Prophet, peace be upon him.

          Narrated Wathilah ibn al-Asqa: I asked: “Messenger of Allah! What is tribalism?” The Prophet, peace be upon him, replied: “That you help your people in wrongdoing.”

          يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ مَا الْعَصَبِيَّةُ قَالَ أَنْ تُعِينَ قَوْمَكَ عَلَى الظُّلْمِ

          This hadith is recorded in the Sunan of Abu Dawud, although the Isnad is Da’eef.

          People mean different things with the words “nationalism” and “patriotism.” Sometimes they mean Asabiyyah (helping your people in wrongdoing), which would obviously be Haram, and sometimes they mean love of country, which is Halal as long as it does not contradict Islam. These words (nationalism, patriotism) do not have fixed meanings, so you do not have the right to define them in only one way and then make a sweeping fatwa like you did.

          Also, you didn’t need to throw ad hominem insults at me. Wa salaam. =)

    • Yasir Qadhi says:

      Salaam Alaikum

      Very good question – worthy of an article. For now, I’ll refer you to my lecture “Nation-State versus Ummah”, and state that a certain level of love of one’s ethnicity, country, language and/or people is completely from within the Shariah, but if this love goes out of bounds, it would be impermissible and a ‘calling to asabiyya’, as has been prohibited by our beloved Prophet salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam.

      • Mohammad says:

        Why is it that we need credentials from institutions that are controlled by the secularists regimes that have done more damage against Islam than any other foreign enemy has? Take al-azhar for example! The head sheikh, during the demonstrations, decreed that it was forbidden to demonstrate against any Muslim leader! Mubarak, as well as any other western-backed secular regime in the middle east, is far from being Muslim! So when you ask for credentials, I don’t need to have credentials from any western backed institution to prove that I am worthy of an opinion. I, on the otherhand, only need to reference the Quran and Sunnah to validate my opinion. In this case, the sheikh is watering down the significance of vital aspects of the Shariah to appease an audience of non-Muslims! The fikra of secularism is in total contradiction of the fikra of Islam! The Aqeedah of secularism/capitalism makes man subservient to material whereas the Aqeeda of Islam makes man subservient to Allah swt! Our problem today is that we don’t recognize that the Aqeeda of Islam entails that it be practiced as a comprehensive deen encompassing all aspects of a system. We understand Islam as only a religion, a relationship only between man and His creator! This is the danger of secularism! It mandates that any religion be left out of the political sphere of life! The sheikhs message is too vague and gives the impression that this model if secularism is condoned in Islam! This should be common sense and the need for credentials shouldn’t be an issue!

        • F says:

          Mohammed,
          So you think that without any training, you can simply pick up the Quran and make judgments?

          Will you be operating on yourself too if I give you a surgery manual? Or how about build a bridge if I gave you an engineering design?

          • Abdullah says:

            Too many of the brothers who visit this site are taking their religion from extremist groups on the internet. The talking points that constantly show up here are just slogans repeated by street preachers. It really displays the general lack of concern for authentic Islamic scholarship amongst many of the youth.

            Allahu Musta’aan.

          • asif says:

            You are right.

            Abdullah go look into yourself and see if you are doing the same thing.

            American scholars are under a gun. Fatwas under a gun should be taken with a grain of salt. so should scholars under a gun. Even more when you yourself are under the gun, you better figure out if you are just copping out and following the easy path or are you really trying to find the truth..

            The scholars on the net represent a very small percentage of actual scholars. American muslim scholars too are a very small percentage of scholars. The vast majority of scholars qualified to give fatwas are off the net.

            Yasir Qadhis views are definitely extremist and away from not just alims but muftis, so are the views of most people visiting this site. I have talked to many top muftis and I have not met one yet who subscribes to the flavour of islam of yasir qadhi. I suggest going of the net. Visit some islamic country and ask a scholar there privately about yasir qadhis postions.

            American muslims are living in some kind of a delusion twisting islam just like other extremist muslims just for the sake of some apple pies and dollars.

            Few of us have the capicity to follow islam fully. I certainly cant. At least we can be repentant towards Allah for not following it rather than justifying our actions. Follow Adam way of repentance rather than Shaitans way of justifying his actions.

        • MW_M says:

          I like using exclamation marks too! It makes my argument so much more forceful! Take that!

      • Abdullah says:

        That’s exactly what I was trying to say, Shaykh, but it seems a Muslim cannot write anything on this blog without being attacked by other Muslims. I’m very disappointed. Allahu Musta’aan.

  18. Zayn Abdullah says:

    It seriously appears that many of our brothers and sisters are living in some type of la-la land.

    Mainstream America is witch-hunting Muslims down; they’re screaming at Muslim kids and terrorizing their own citizens. We need to calm them down and make them understand that not all Muslims are terrorist.

    Articles such as these ones are a step in the right direction.

    If people do believe that there is no hope for Muslims in America, they are free to leave and settle elsewhere. For those that remain behind, we need people like Sh. Yasir.

    • Abdhaqq B says:

      “Mainstream America is witch-hunting Muslims down; they’re screaming at Muslim kids and terrorizing their own citizens”

      This is nothing NEW. You need to read the Quran very well. And without blinkers.

      For starters try 2:120

      وَلَنْ تَرْضَىٰ عَنكَ ٱلْيَهُودُ وَلاَ ٱلنَّصَارَىٰ حَتَّىٰ تَتَّبِعَ مِلَّتَهُمْ قُلْ إِنَّ هُدَى ٱللَّهِ هُوَ ٱلْهُدَىٰ وَلَئِنِ ٱتَّبَعْتَ أَهْوَآءَهُمْ بَعْدَ ٱلَّذِى جَآءَكَ مِنَ ٱلْعِلْمِ مَا لَكَ مِنَ ٱللَّهِ مِن وَلِيٍّ وَلاَ نَصِيرٍ

      Then you can check out 18:20

      إِنَّهُمْ إِن يَظْهَرُواْ عَلَيْكُمْ يَرْجُمُوكُمْ أَوْ يُعِيدُوكُمْ فِى مِلَّتِهِمْ وَلَن تُفْلِحُوۤاْ إِذاً أَبَداً

      In times like this- times of fitan- what we need is to go back to the Qur’aan and understand as it was understood by the true salaf. And again, the true believer needs Allah and Allah alone. Remember what Abu Bakr sai

    • asif says:

      Zayn,

      Firstly what has sharia got to do with terrorism?

      Secondly since in most usage in the US, jihad now means struggle and not violent struggle, then how can you possibly say one should not struggle for the sharia in the US. Whereas, its your right even the by US law and constitution and political system to struggle for laws that you want. A pro life activist can struggle to overturn row vs. wade, yet you cannot even want sharia?

      What I fear is that when you take the halal and qualify it as haram and vice versa. One could call it masleha. When the scholars do it and take a halal and make it haram, and the ordinary muslim believes it. That can make him a MUSHRIK. This is extremely dangerous. Just go through yasir qadis lectures on kitab ut tauheed and then think how many halals have changed. You cannot take a halal, to struggle and make an effort for the sharia, and make it haram in the US. It seems very dangerous for the followers.

      Basically, like you say yourself, Muslims are under a gun, so are the scholars. It would be prudent for ones aqeeda to take politics related article and fatwas and not accept them on face value.

  19. Olivia says:

    very nice, shaykh Y.Q. you took the words right out of my mouth!

  20. Bilal says:

    Salamualaikum,

    I have an honest question…I was told that Western constitutions are documents of Kufr, is this true?

    • Abdullah says:

      The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, would cooperate with non-Muslims regarding issues of justice and human rights. As he said: ‘”I witnessed a confederacy in the house of ‘Abdullah bin Jada‘an. It was more appealing to me than herds of cattle. Even now in the period of Islam I would respond positively to attending such a meeting if I were invited.” [Ibn Hisham 1/113,135]

      Even though Western constitutions are not based upon Islam, that does not nullify the obligation for Muslims to fulfill their contracted security agreements, i.e. following civil laws legislated on the basis of maslaha (public interest) and ma’ruf (well-known good). Many shari’ rights are protected and Maqasid (objectives) of Sharia are fulfilled by American laws, so we follow and encourage what is good and reform what is bad. Allah knows best.

      • Bilal says:

        So wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that in Islam we are commanded to interact with and around Kufr in a certain manner…? Hence did the Prophet (saw) prescribe limits to such interaction of what can be done/said and what cannot be done/said?

        • Abdullah says:

          Allah Almighty said:

          “Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes – from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion – [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers.” (60:8-9)

          So Allah has encouraged us to behave with Al-Birr towards non-Muslims. Furthermore, just because a contract exists with a non-Muslim does not make it invalid. The Prophet, peace be upon him, bought, sold, and allied with non-Muslim tribes on many occasions. So we do interact with disbelievers in a beautiful way which will bring them to Islam. These people who constantly talk about the “Kufr West” are just repeating slogans and they do not understand advanced levels of Islamic Jurisprudence related to Amanah (contracted security). Allah knows best.

  21. […] So anyway, thats a long introduction for my reaction to MM and YQ’s latest article. […]

  22. waleed ahmed says:

    Great dawah initiative Sh. Yasir. I think American Muslims should submit similar articles to their local news papers explaining what shariah is and that it is already being practiced my American muslims; in fact its impossible for one to be Muslim and not practice the shariah. The sooner that average American learns what the shariah is, the sooner the bigotry will go away.

  23. Algebera says:

    Aslamu=alaikum
    Nice article Ma Sha Allah!!!!!
    salam

  24. […] Here is a great and serious response from Shaykh Yasir Qadhi on an article titled A Proud, Patriotic, Shariah Practicing American. […]

  25. F says:

    Notice how all the anti comments rely on emotional rants and copy/paste hadeeth methodology. Not one of them presents a fiqhi argument to counter YQ but uses slogans and out of context verses to support their points.

  26. Abdullah says:

    Honestly, MuslimMatters needs to do a better job moderating these comments. I for one would not tolerate people posting insults against the Shaykh or hardline propaganda from extremist ideologues. Yet it seems that every time I visit this blog there are people arguing in an ugly way about the religion. It is a terrible Fitnah.

    Allahu Musta’aan.

    • Amad says:

      Abdullah, we are trying our best. Please remember that there is a fine line between censorship and moderation

      But I agree with you that I along with many people are getting really tired of these young guns who love to cut and paste stuff and act like they are ready to take on the world, while they still haven’t left their parents’ basement! Most of them hang out on an alternative site where they enjoy groupthink and then they come here to show off their skills.

      So, I am going to try to insist to the editorial team to moderate harder.

      • Abdullah says:

        Thank you for the response, Amad. Dealing with these comments is very frustrating. It seems so many of these “young guns” have learned a few slogans, read a few blogs, and then declare jihad against the world. How many people have been turned away from Islam because of this irresponsible rhetoric about Khilafah, Sharia, and Jihad? While Allah Almighty taught us to say:

        “Our Lord, make us not a Fitnah (trial) for the disbelievers and forgive us, our Lord. Indeed, it is You who is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.” (60:5)

        Allahu Musta’aan.

      • Umer Siddique says:

        Assalamu alaikum,

        I must say it is extremely patronising and presumptuous on your part to lump any objection to certain principles in such a way. Whilst I do not speak for everyone, several people who strongly disagree with various articles produced on this website have been involved in da’wah for as long as or even longer than the contributors to MM.

        Insulting another Muslim is completely out of order, but when one sees a clear violation of the shari’ah, one would expect those in charge of an apparently influential website to at least assume good of those who show zeal towards the shari’ah. I am not talking about this article, parts of which I have defended to those who spoke so strongly against it. However, comments such as the ones referring to young guns and alluding to armchair politics misses the point that there is a plethora of tullab al-‘ilm and masha’ikh who have vast experience in da’wah to Muslims, cooperate with various non-Muslim organisations and front-line experience in the political and legal realities facing Muslims in the West.

        To ignore such would only increase the impression that there is an elitist clique developing on sites such as this one that brushes aside any academic objection to many of the problematic articles written by people with insufficient credentials in shar’i knowledge.

        May Allah guide myself and all of us and save us from arrogance and misguidance.

  27. ahlam says:

    Nur,

    These countries are not Christian. They are Secular, so they are neutral on religions and are not Christian in the most conservative sense.You cannot compare them with MUSLIM-MAJORITY countries, .i.e not necessarily ‘Islamic’ countries and then say, hey, ‘christian countries’ (secular) are better than ”islamic countries” .

    I noticed you always come with the same talking points no matter the topic!

  28. ASALLAHMUALKUM WARAMUTULAHI WABARAKATU! MASHALLAH the things you have said is true but PRAISE be to ALLAH(SWT) THE CREATOR AND SUBSTAINER. The people of America can never undrstand the beauty of ISLAM when they are to busy following Democracy. THey don’t want to learn, May ALLAH guide all of us to the Straight Path, and give us STRENGHTH when we are in need AMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!ALLAHUAKBAR ALLAHUAKBAR ALLAHUAKBAR!!!!!!!!!!!ALLAH IS GREAT!

  29. asif says:

    When you are under the gun you are more likely to believe what is convenient rather than what is the truth. I should look into my heart for kufr, shirk and nifaq and so should everyone.

    All I am trying to say is turn to Allah in repentance, ask for guidance and forgiveness just in case you are wrong. This is for everyone from all schools of thought. Arrogance leads to misguidance and turning to Allah leads to guidance. Have humility and ask for guidance. So shall I.

    It seems a stretch for a muslim to say he does not want to implement sharia where he lives? What you choose the laws of the jahaliyya?

  30. Scholars for Dollars says:

    Haha the moderators of this website are deleting any comment which exposes them and the falseness of their views from Islamic sources. Learnt this from the western masters huh? silent the effective critics and still proclaim how u love freedom n bla bla.

    Who r u guys working for and why r u scared if someone comments and clarifies things without any spam or hate msgs… so u wanna follow every step the kuffar take in hiding the truth!

  31. There are thousand of patriotic Muslims. There is no patriotic Islam. Cabbie refuse to pick up riders with dogs. Kitchen workers demand extra breaks for prayer time. Shoppers press for “non-denominational” prayer alcoves in malls–malls! Students demand, and get, segregated swimming facilities. Inch by inch, drip by drip, Islam carves out a separate sphere for itself within the host country. And every mote in the sandstorm can say, “Who, me?”

    • jock says:

      I find it odd that you can admit that there are ‘thousands of patriotic muslims” (indeed there are) and yet conclude that ‘there is no patriotic Islam” based on a few instances such as the ones you mentioned. How does that logic work again?

      And what’s even more ironic is that you’re doing all this on a post by a Muslim scholar that’s actually arguing that Muslims can and should feel comfortable living in America.

      Attitudes like that will simply put you on the side of the extremists whose narrative is also along of the lines of ‘America is at war with Islam! AAARGH’

      open your mind a little

    • DrM says:

      So says the paranoid troll. Islam is here to stay and the apologists for anglo-American terror like you can’t do a thing about it but lie through your teeth. “Patriotic” in this day and age means being an uninformed, ignorant, overweight mental defective who listens to talk radio and is scared silly of any discussion with facts, only to wave an American flag made in China. Which is why you’ve gotten your behind kicked over at loonwatch so many times.
      You’ll happily pay Kosher tax but complain about segregated swimming facilities for Muslims. Yeah we’re going to take over. Here are our master plans :

      http://tinyurl.com/4o94buq

      • DrM, you’re too late. I can read for myself the other commenters on this very thread who aren’t buying the theme of the main post. However, a quick skim of your site (for which thanks for the link) shows that there is nothing particularly Islamic about your take on things–full of aesthetic disdain for the things that make the nation great, and full of fiery ardor to burn the sh!house down–that’s a New York thing. The rest of the country rallied behind New York after 9/11, whereas when we went to war NYC filled up with massive demos, wishing for “a million Mogadishus”. So in that respect, you fit right in.

        • DrM says:

          @insane instigator,

          I’m afraid you’ve got me confused with someone who gives a damn. Disdain for what “great nation”? A bankrupt kleptocratic empire which commits mass murder and carries on like nothings wrong? Not buying it. Speaking of disdain, your disconnect from reality and contempt for the facts is typical of the mindless breed. Patriotism is tribalistic rubbish, and a common excuse for extremists like you hide your inferiority of mind and soul. It’s pricesly because of sheep like you that America went from being a republic to being a bloated empire collapsing on itself.This isn’t a football game, fool. And don’t waste my time your 911 conspiracy theories while bending over for judeofascists. You should be thankful that Muslims are bringing civilization and truth to you. My site is chemotherapy to you lies and falsehood.
          I can’t wait for gas to hit $10 a gallon, I don’t want to pay that much but I can afford it, plus knowing that it would put Anglo-American terrorists and their supporters in the poor house permanently is worth it.
          Get back to me when you find those mythical Iraqi WMDs, cretin.

          -Edited. Pls refrain from personal attacks.

  32. cera says:

    Asif, not sure where you live. If you live in the West and dont want to live under a secular state with the seperation of church and state and rather live in a shariah-based country than you are more than welcome to leave. Not sure where you’ll find a country that is truly an islamic state…but all the best with that.

    As citizens of this country, we need to abide by the laws of the land. And fortunately we can freely practice our religion, our faith here. Can’t say that about a lot of ‘muslim’ countries out there.

    • DrM says:

      Yeah Muslim “countries” which are client states(with no shortage of dictators on the dole) of the West, bought and paid for. So why is the West and its so called “separation of Church and State” so obsessed with setting up a Jewish state in the Middle East, subsidizing Jewish extremists and terrorists as they expand into “eretz yisroel.”
      “Secularism” indeed…

      • Everybody's Dad says:

        I imagine they do all that because of the ‘strategic interests’ that they want to keep under their thumb in the region. And if they can convince some sheep that its all about supporting freedom and ‘the only democracy in the mideast’ and all that jazz, then its really a double-victory for them: they’ve managed to secure a sort of hold over a place that’s not theirs under the guise of a moral superiority that they don’t deserve…

    • asif says:

      cera

      I dont live in the west. I do live in a western assisted non islamic taghuti democracy where the majority of people call themselves muslim. I do advocate the sharia be the law where I live and I do call my government Taghuti which is openly opposing the laws of God and I hate it for that reason..

      We are living in a time of fitna and trials. All I say is the of the 3 levels of faith, at least adhere to the third and least level of iman and in our hearts hate the evil and munkar. I have this fear that some of the scholars are now taking us below even this lowest level of iman due to their being under the gun.

  33. Jones says:

    Separation of church and state is the very definition of secularism, and this is kufr. I highly recommend you clarify your statement so that we know 100% that you DON’T support the secular premise.

    Sometimes the kuffar don’t understand our desire for justice and accountability through the application of the shariah, but that doesn’t mean that we resort to supporting their kufr way of governance.

  34. Lisa says:

    I thank you all for sharing your perspectives, your insights, and the much desired information that gives me a better understanding of people who honor and live the Muslim faith. I am grateful to Ikram Kirdi, who referred me to this site and who gave such thoughtful and thorough replies to my questions. I desire to know and understand truth and reality, not be mentally or spiritually “conformed” by propaganda based on ignorance, narrow mindsets, or a few who have behaved in a manner that is more akin to rage and fear than true peace and mercy. I am thankful for everyone whom God has brought into my life, and that includes you, friends. Lisa

  35. freethinker says:

    hi all,

    as non muslim, just want to reply to Amad about moderating comments. I am learning about Islam, and I find it much more helpful hearing ALL muslim voices. Only then can non muslims learn to differentiate between street preachers and more thoughtful voices like Sheikh Qadhi. We need all the voices so non muslims can make our own decisions about what Islam in U.S. really looks like. I love the adab thing, and I still see it as an Islamic value even when some muslims on MM go on ad hominem insulting rants. Thanks for this site and thanks for the work you do in moderating Amad. just my two cents worth. Peace.

  36. Mahmud says:

    Assalamualaikum wa wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

    I disagree, however even if you are correct you should try to refute him with the most excellent akhlaq nearest to Rasulullah sallallahualayhiwasalam for Allah’s sale alone. Don’t just vent your anger at him.

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