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Rafa
June 3, 2010 at 9:45 AM
Wow…I don’t know what to say to this.
Middle Ground
June 3, 2010 at 11:29 AM
Salam
As musliims, we should be 100% certain that this is authentic. Can someone verify that this is really for real?
amad
June 3, 2010 at 11:41 AM
yes it is, there are countless videos on it. But I think what you are thinking is that Israel is embarrassed by this. But rather, this is a victory parade that they probably felt was quite appropriate until the world reaction hit them!
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Israelis+celebrating+attack+on+Turkish+Aid+Ship
caught red-handed by liveleak:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6a3_1275348204
The hasbara of course called it demonstration (which everyone can clearly see was more of a celebration):
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3897091,00.html
Middle Ground
June 3, 2010 at 11:47 AM
Salam
I’m not trying to be difficult, but I still don’t see real proof that what was being celebrated was the murder of the peace activists. We muslims, unfortunately, have in the past used things which weren’t proven to make a point. One example was when someone made a satire of the CEO of Starbucks talking about Israel, and muslims started spreading it as though it was not a stire, but a real news item. And also recall the ayat in Surah Hujarat about confirming news.
Human
June 3, 2010 at 11:41 AM
You ask why isn’t this video making the same rounds?… Do you want to dehumanize Jews, the way zionist dehumanized Muslims? Will that make the world better for you? …
Amad
June 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM
This dehumanizes the radical zionists. It shows the true face of how the right-wing in Israel behaves. And they are in control.
Human
June 3, 2010 at 11:52 AM
Really? Where does it say radical zionist anywhere on this post or youtube video?
In that case the celebration of the few Palestinians on 9/11 were meant to show the true face of radical Muslim extremists?
Eye for an eye, all is fair I guess.
Middle Ground
June 3, 2010 at 12:29 PM
The point Amad is making is that the Palestinians celebrating was over CNN, Fox News and probably every news channel. This video, even though I’m still not entirely sure that it’s what it claims to be, isn’t.
Human
June 3, 2010 at 12:41 PM
Middle Ground, how did you come to that conclusion after reading Amads comment?
Yaqeen needed
June 4, 2010 at 10:39 PM
The purported Palestinian celebration was fake. i thought that was well known by now
Shariq
June 3, 2010 at 1:40 PM
1. There is zero proof that this video is ‘celebrating the deaths of turks’. This post on MM reminds me a lot of what Fox News puts out, and it seems as if this is becoming more common here on MM.
2. Just because there are other RECYCLED videos with the exact same footage doesn’t mean the title becomes more and more legit.
3. It’s stupid how a video like this could be put on a Muslim blog. Shouldn’t we Muslims be held to a higher standard? Or at least the MINIMUM of placing accurate information on the web?
4. It should also be noted that this is a MINORITY, just like arabs and desis dancing all over my flag are a minority and shouldn’t represent an entire people or a nation.
5. This doesn’t look like a celebration as much as it looks like a typical protest. I don’t suppose you’ve seen the Palestinian protests that are done in Houston? They look more like parties than protests.
6. I’m not defending these people, their cause, or what they believe in. I am, however, defending the right for all us MM readers to get fair and accurate information rather than emotional propoganda. We get enough of that from other media outlets.
7. By the way, when will MM cover Bosnia, Kashmir, Sudan, Somalia, Chechnya, and all the other nations which are going through difficult circumstances as well?
Ehh.. another low.
Amad
June 3, 2010 at 2:33 PM
If this is your means of constructive criticism, then I suggest you learn a better manner to do so. I have an answer for all your points 1-6 but with your tone, I won’t bother.
For #7, no one stopped you for doing something about them. We discuss what we can with our limited resources. If you have something constructive to say on these issues, you can always send a guest-entry. Until then, pls don’t resort to the same sensationalism that you are accusing us of.
Shariq
June 3, 2010 at 3:36 PM
Salam Amad bhai!
No it’s not constructive criticism. It’s just criticism. MM shouldn’t spew recycled propaganda, nor should any other Muslim organization. This is probably where yall can take a queue from CAIR and learn from their mistakes.
I also think you read too much into my post to extract a negative tone. I was mostly laughing throughout writing my comment and drinking chai.
No more propaganda! No more propaganda! No more propaganda!
Please!
JazakAllahukhair for all yall’s hard work.
amad
June 3, 2010 at 4:11 PM
I didn’t find it a bit funny and you should take more seriously what you write. Your tone was extremely negative and deprecating.
Junaid
June 3, 2010 at 2:46 PM
Shariq bro,
I bet the guys at MM have their plates full right now. Why dont you help them out and do a piece on Bosnia, Kashmir etc..
Amad
June 3, 2010 at 2:57 PM
Red herring. Because.
Other Muslim sufferings on MM (what i could find in a few mins):
http://muslimmatters.org/2010/03/02/al-jazeera-karadzic-calls-serbs-war-against-bosnia-just-and-holy/
http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/
http://muslimmatters.org/2007/11/30/the-silencing-of-uzbekistans-voice/
http://muslimmatters.org/2008/09/08/chinas-ramadan-crackdown-on-muslim-practices/
http://muslimmatters.org/2009/07/09/uyghur-muslims-turmoil-in-china/
http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/
http://muslimmatters.org/2007/08/12/flashback-gujarat-massacre-of-2002/
http://muslimmatters.org/…/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/
umtalhah
June 4, 2010 at 3:24 AM
exactly, my thoughts too. it is much better (of course much more difficult) to help out than just criticizing drinking tea or otherwise ;)
Human
June 3, 2010 at 3:37 PM
Thank you Shariq. I agree with you completely.
Man
June 3, 2010 at 4:26 PM
This raises an interesting question, they cherrypick selective media all the time, should we do the same because we have truth?
G
June 3, 2010 at 4:27 PM
Shariq you are an idiot and probably a Jew troll, so piss off!
Amad
June 3, 2010 at 4:33 PM
I know Shariq… he is neither Jewish nor a troll. Btw, there are tons of Jews out there who are equally angry about Israel’s attack.
try this: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-01/israeli-patriot-brands-gaza-flotilla-raid-a-shameful-sin
Ameera
June 4, 2010 at 7:32 AM
Sometimes, you gotta beat the other side at their own game. while remaining within ethical limits. Go back to the Seerah and check out how the Prophet(pbuh) used different strategies, according to the kind of treachery he was faced with. You might learn a thing or two.
Sayf
June 3, 2010 at 2:09 PM
Easiest way to seal the deal is for someone who can read hebrew to read us those signs.
Secondly, the video itself can be used for a propaganda device, but it also serves the more important job of a propaganda-exposing tool. As Amad said:
There’s a reason for this inherent bias in the media, so think carefully about why this post is up. I was watching CBC yesterday which I thought was the least biased of the media outlets, and they made an effort to delegitimize the people in the flotilla by painting them as Muslim extremists seeking martyrdom, and passed over the voices of the non-Muslim Canadians on board. However the worst thing they did was show the Israeli PM’s speech calling them terrorists and made no effort to show how ridiculous such a statement was.
Remember, I said CBC was the least-biased.
Slave of the Most Lovin One
June 3, 2010 at 7:16 PM
You ppl cant be so unbelievable!!!
You did the ryt thing brother amad!
Btw for the ones who feel like they have to act objectively…. try to analyse the situation and speak…. ryt now a media battle is going on…. and Allah’s curse be on the liars who are unhesitatingly lying and calling the peace activists “terrorists”!! can u imagine that?!!
and by reading the comments from diff sites, most of the Israelis, i can say, yes most of them are supporting and cheering this incident…and only FEW of them condemn this!!
nywayz let’s not waste tym in talking pointless and aimless stuff…. let’s focus on how to bring about justice and free the children who are behind bars and are sentenced to 20 years in prison, mostly for throwing stones! let’s focus on how to carry out our duty as muslims to bring an end to oppression and tyranny!
-Edited. Let’s not mix “Jews” with “Israelis”. There are many Jews all over the world disgusted by Israel’s terrorism.
Muhammad
June 3, 2010 at 7:26 PM
Actually they’re protesting just like everyone else in support of their country of course. They’re protesting against everyone else condemning Israel for their recent action.
sabirah
June 3, 2010 at 7:41 PM
from what i can see they are protesting to free Kurdistan and support PKK which happens to be in front of the Turkish embassy. They are shouting “Free Kurdistan”.
That’s totally unrelated, could that be something older?
sabirah
June 3, 2010 at 8:00 PM
… or they could have counter-demonstrated with that… i don’t know…
hmm maybe a good reminder for Surah al Hujarat ayat 6 … in these days we gotta print that off and stick to the computer screen
Amad
June 4, 2010 at 6:26 AM
I have updated the post’s title and added more information.
-It is clear that a large chunk of the Israeli population supports the security action
-The video is legit and is supported by Israeli news
The lack of humanity among such a large sector of the Israeli society is quite shocking to see.
suhail
June 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM
It is not as shocking brother if you see the support Israeli population had for there massacare in Gaza few months back. It was almost the same. I don’t think they even consider our muslim brothers and sisters in Gaza as humans. That is why they are treating them like this.
The worst part is if you read the comments on places like CNN.com on these stories. It is like people are cheering Israel for this horrendus act and there prisoning of the gazans. It is indeed amazing to see that. The whole world including the muslim world is watching over a million muslims dying due to the blocade slowly but are doing nothing.
Ameera
June 4, 2010 at 7:35 AM
The Israeli PM has supported the IDF’s action, despite condemnation all round… what more evidence of Israel’s self-congratulatory attitude do we need?
Amad
June 4, 2010 at 10:53 AM
When you thought Israel couldn’t stoop any lower… they made a video lampooning the activists, and insulting the dead:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2010/06/04/israeli-governments-media-madness
abu abdAllah Tariq Ahmed
June 4, 2010 at 2:40 PM
It’s the same reason that videos like this one, from almost exactly 2 years ago on the BBC, are ignored in America. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7451691.stm
And why you have to go to European media or the internet to find pieces like this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8721000/8721995.stm Why were peace activists trying to defend themselves? Because Israeli troops were firing on the ship with women, children, and the very elderly. As the peace activist stated, she saw another activist “shot between the eyes.”
The interviewer raises the question of why was one ship subjected to so much violence compared to the rest of the flotilla? That’s a good question. The activist points out that she would want to see the confiscated footage from journalists before speculating on what happened.
And the activist points out something else: if Israel had allowed people to rebuild their homes after the devestating Israeli bombardment and ground invasion of Gaza, if Israel had allowed something has humanitarian as wheel chairs for those maimed by Israeli weapons, then a flotilla might not have been so urgently needed.
The bottom line: Israel calls itself humanitarian for letting through small quantities of food and medicine, while starving to death any hope of commerce or self-sustenance for Gaza. Why? To achieve a political objective. That’s it: to depose Hamas. Just to punish the people of Gaza for daring to cast votes for Hamas. The moral equivalent of Israel’s actions for the past few years would be President Obama blockading every Tea Party stronghold, bombarding them for every person among them who ever showed up at a rally with guns or other provocations criticizing him. Demolishing their homes. Refusing to let them rebuild. Get the idea?
Slave of the Most Lovin One
June 4, 2010 at 10:06 PM
PLz check out this link!! http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2010/06/04/israeli-governments-media-madness
may Allah SWT put an end to their falsehood!
Slave of the Most Lovin One
June 4, 2010 at 11:04 PM
I CANT BELIEVE THIS!!!!!!!!! check out the video in this link
http://www.carolineglick.com/e/2010/06/we-con-the-world—the-gaza-fl.php
Well, it’s such a relief to think that, yes, there’s Day of Judgement, they will all be paid for each and every crime inshAllah!
Wa Huwa Shadeedul ‘iQaab!
Amad
June 5, 2010 at 7:37 AM
More for Shariq,
Even the respected Andrew Sullivan put this video on his blog… I think you owe MM an apology for your unsubstantiated remarks and tweets.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/06/an-epidemic-o.html
Slave of the Most Lovin One
June 5, 2010 at 7:44 AM
Gaza Thru Our Eyes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44X0G1WP2k4&feature=related part 1
Amad
June 5, 2010 at 7:54 AM
And new video added in this post, which leaves little room for ambiguity.
Via Andrew Sullivan again.
B.A.
June 6, 2010 at 7:17 AM
Salaam
Finkelstein doin’ his thang as usual :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szWSsMo54no
Brilliant work Sr Ameerah. Keep it up! May All the supportive comments only serve to increase you in humility insha’Allaah ;)
Tc
ws
umtalhah
June 7, 2010 at 4:20 PM
here is yet another video of the israelis attacking activists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE2q5KCtHGw
abuabdAllah Tariq Ahmed
June 7, 2010 at 4:24 PM
Solid work, Amad, mashaAllah.