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Amad
January 26, 2009 at 7:30 PM
The comment I left on the CBS site:
Amad
January 26, 2009 at 7:37 PM
And I thank CAIR for jumping on this. I really believe this is a REVOLUTIONARY break in reporting on Israel. I would have not expected such a report in a hundred years on NPR, let alone CBS.
Hidaya
January 26, 2009 at 9:22 PM
”2. COMMENT ONLINE about the segment. (Always be polite and respectful.) Hundreds of people have already made their views known. Add your comments here or here.”
Provide the link Please!
Amad
January 26, 2009 at 9:40 PM
good point Sr. Hidaya:
Link: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/23/60minutes/main4749723.shtml
Hidaya
January 26, 2009 at 9:44 PM
http://annainpalestine.blogspot.com/2009/01/sophies-choice.html
Video keeps stopping…..not uploading quickly..=(
Amad
January 26, 2009 at 9:47 PM
Its working good here… its coming straight from CBS, not MM.
Also you can comment multiple times on the CBS site..
mulsimah
January 26, 2009 at 9:52 PM
:-) I was thinking that this may go on a separate post..but I didnt know how to request it
-jazakillahkhair for pointing it out… u’ll see the credit in the post in a few minutes :) -amad
I Condemn Obama and his airstrikes
January 26, 2009 at 9:53 PM
And I thank you, Amad, for this post.
And I will send notes of thanks to CBS and CAIR and ask others to do the same inshaAllah.
This report is shockingly good in all the bad of the Yahood that it reveals.
Amad
January 26, 2009 at 10:00 PM
jazakallahkhair for taking the action Br. “I Condemn Obama and His airstrikes”… oops, was that handle a deliberate way to make me pronounce that statement? ;)
mulsimah
January 26, 2009 at 10:04 PM
I was thinking…this is just a small version of the whole show…do you think youtube may provide the full version?
I Condemn Obama and his airstrikes
January 26, 2009 at 10:16 PM
the comment i left:
Amad, no it wasn’t. My way is to invite you to deliberately pronounce the statement.
Now, to email some contacts…
Amad
January 26, 2009 at 10:33 PM
“I condemn”… That was just a joke bro.
Hidaya
January 26, 2009 at 10:18 PM
That was awesome but too short…I wish it was hour long..oh well something is better then nothing!
Goerge Bush
January 27, 2009 at 12:03 AM
Dicky told me not to watch this episode. He said I’d get the wrong ideas. I told Dicky I am no longer President. Dicky said you never know, you may become secretary of state one day if Jibby becomes Prez. I asked Dicky what the Secretary of State does, cuz Condi never could tell me straight up. I sure hope it didn’t mean I’d have to learn how to use email. Dicky promised me that just like my Presidential days, I’d have to do nothing and just rely on Dicky to solve all of the world’s problems. I love Dicky so much. Its funny, Dicky did all the hard work, and now Dicky tells me how I’ll be remembered as one of the great presidents ever. Daaang. That sounds good. Thank you Dicky.
abu abdAllah
January 27, 2009 at 1:49 AM
innalhamdolillah. bismillah. i dugg it. i forwarded it via e-mail. i commented at the digg site — when you think about the video, it’s amazing how little it takes to wow American Muslims when it comes to reporting on Palestine. we are so ingrained to expect heavy-handed bias, that we breathe a sigh of relief when the bias is only an undercurrent.
though rip tides are also currents below the surface: notice the treatment CBS gave the woman who said “there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza”? which one was she, you ask? the Israeli foreign minister. no, that quote would not have meshed with the picture of her as standing up to settlers. from her perspective, her desire to be seen as a hawk among Zionist voters — the show was ammunition for her foes. but i would guess that the desire here was to make her more palatable to President Obama. paint a woman who is as guilty of war crimes as any Israeli army commander in the guise of a brave and fair politician who unbendingly refuses to cave in to settlers… SubhanAllah.
when they pull the wool over our eyes, they will steal it from the backs of Palestinians, too.
anonymous
January 27, 2009 at 1:58 AM
Well here we have it.. At 1:15 it comes straight from the donkey’s mouth. The settlers are there so Palestinians are driven out. they dont even hide it . And yet our american government supports these cowards and their oppressive tactics. May allah destroy every settlement and return the land to the rightful muslims. AMEEN
vindicated
January 27, 2009 at 8:59 AM
This URL has been reported by users to be in violation of Digg’s Terms of Use and cannot be submitted at this time. Please refer to our Terms of Use (digg.com/tou) for more information.
Amad
January 27, 2009 at 9:40 AM
Use the DIGG link that is provided in the post:
http://digg.com/world_news/Palestine_Israel_Is_Peace_Out_Of_Reach
Ayesha Fatima
January 27, 2009 at 9:19 AM
CBS did a wonderful job …If my memory serves right isn`t it CBS who first aired the news about Abu Ghraib prison too.May Allah swt help all the oppressed brothers and sisters.
Salaam.
Hassan
January 27, 2009 at 10:36 AM
Watch out for part 2 next week showing the “other” perspective. (portraying Israeli to be victims and hamas and some Palestinians to be villain)
mulsimah
January 27, 2009 at 12:27 PM
I think you misunderstood my post! It was asking how to quickly contact you if you think of a new topic? and I still want to know?
I Condemn Obama and his airstrikes
January 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Most of the comments about this report on the CBS site are very positive.
So what are those Jews who don’t like this report writing in their comments?
Here I’m pasting the first 14 comments against the video I noticed as I jumped around CBS’s comments pages. Very illuminating.
It is so great to be a Muslim. To know the truth and believe it. And to speak the truth. Alhamdulillah.
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Amad
January 27, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Mulsimah, use the “contact us” link.
Unfortunately, we can’t jump on stuff sometimes as we’d like to.
We are hoping to expand our horizons and start a news portal where we can have readers like you add directly. Inshallah, we’ll have a plan soon where we’ll be asking for volunteers…
Miako
January 27, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Most Zionists, most Israelis abhor the settlements. as a purely political move, they are dumb beyond all belief.
So it sounds strange to my ears when people say “look at what the Zionists Write!”
Forgive my bafflement, and accept my reality check. ;-)
Do people here believe in a two state solution?
Organica
January 27, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Most important thing is the holy land? It’s not even theirs.
No no to Israeli Apartheid!
Israel is a terrorist state.
Skeptical
January 28, 2009 at 12:11 AM
Finally a real piece of Investigative Journalism!!! Bravo to CBS for having the guts to investigating this story then broadcasting it! I don’t know if I believe that Israeli’s will ever be “forced” to leave the West Bank, but at least people were able to see the injustices afflicted upon the Palestinian people.
For all the Muslims and Non-Muslims, I thought about the following poem by David W. Virtue:
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.
S Khan
January 28, 2009 at 3:01 AM
Amazing video.. shows a reality and facts prevailing in this region.. GOD know who will Help the settlers from Jews regime …
Faisal Riaz
January 28, 2009 at 3:46 AM
USA and whole Europe should understand who the real enemy is. Its not Muslims but JEWS.
Nada
January 28, 2009 at 1:43 PM
My compliments to those who voice the truth no matter what. May God bless the CBS and all its workers and staff.
MANAL
January 28, 2009 at 3:33 PM
THANK YOU CBS
Miako
January 29, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Faisal, am I your enemy? I am a Jew. It is my words, like your own, that cry out for justice in Gaza. It is my tears that are shed, when the innocent lie dying. G-d listens to the tears of women.
Amad
January 29, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Miako, if you hadn’t responded, we would have moderated Faisal’s comment out. There is no room for broad-brushing and stereotyping on these boards. I think what people need to think about before making sweeping comments is how they would feel if that comment was directed at them. Just like we abhor comments such as, “Muslims are the problem”, “Muslims are the terrorists”, etc., etc., in the same way we should also not feel justified in saying the same thing about others, whoever that “other” is.
I can list many Jews who have written and acted in favor of Palestine/Muslims (as far as human rights and justice is concerned)… Haaretz is one example. Also many of the leading attorneys who are fighting terrorism cases against Muslims in America are Jewish. Some of the leading progressive voices for peace are Jewish.
Finally, I would like to ask how it helps to make such statements? Would it hurt the Jews? No. Would it benefit the Muslims? No. Rather, they are counterproductive and all it takes is one Jew, like Miako, to belie such sweeping claims.
ahmed
January 29, 2009 at 11:05 PM
Many Thanks to CBS and the producers of ’60 Minutes’ for having the courage to show the American people the truth about the injustices that are at the core of the Middle East conflict.
almozar
January 30, 2009 at 5:46 AM
Thank you for showing a glimpse of the reallity. Israelies are theif, barbarian and nazi. Justice will prevail. That is for sure. The land will return to its original people.
Miako
January 30, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Amad,
pardon me if i stepped on your toes? I see many similar comments being made about ‘Zionists’ or ‘Israelis’ — both groups which contain many members outraged at the settlements.
I can understand how Zionist may seem like the appropriate word to use, but many American Jews consider themselves Zionists — believing that Israel should exist. Almost all of them believe in a two state solution.
I personally think that apartheid is a word that is extremely loaded, and I would very much like to discourage its use, as it gets fellow-peace-seekers’ backs up unnecessarily (and whenever I see someone using it without support, I think they don’t understand Israel OR Palestine very well — too much time on dailykos for me!). Nonetheless, I can understand its use as a rallying cry, and as a moralistic motivator. ;-)
betwixt and between,
Miako
Amad
January 31, 2009 at 12:44 PM
I am not sure how you got that Miako. My last comment on this post was in support of you.
But that is not what zionism is about, about believing that Israel should exist. Zionism was the entire basis for “forcing” the establishment of Israel by transferring Jews to a land which was not theirs, and in reciprocation for a crime (the holocaust) that was not committed by the Palestinians. There were Palestinian Jews and Christians and Muslims who lived in peace with each in the holy land for hundreds of years. And all this changed until the state of Israel, born out of Jewish terrorism (these are not my words, but the words of the Jewish MP in Britian).
Of course, that is history now. But it is important to understand why the word zionism is so loaded, and is now the primary justification for continued occupation. It may mean different to you and others who are for peace in Israel. But I am not sure if that is entirely the appropriate word to use for the Israelis who are pro-peace. While I believe the 2-state solution is probably the most just, I don’t see Israel abiding by what would be needed to establish this (removing settlements, removing check-points, moving back to the 1967 borders, sharing Jerusalem, etc.). And one cannot say that Palestinians won’t “allow” establishment of this, because they are the less powerful ones in this.
Ultimately, and I’ll write about this one day, is that I feel that the wisest, though controversial and probably unrealistic means to peace, is the leverage of Arab population, and I won’t say more about it right now. Because little information may lead folks to misunderstand my thoughts.
sincethestorm
January 31, 2009 at 3:37 AM
I watched the segment and I was shocked really that this was aired. I am especially happy that this day came and that there may be many more days like this where we actually see some sort of change. If there is ever to be peace in the Middle East, I hope I am alive to see it. Insha-Allah.
Hadil
January 31, 2009 at 10:22 AM
Thank you very much for this video. I am sure it took a lot of effort to air this video. Please let me know if I can help in anyway in the future.
Debbie in America
January 31, 2009 at 11:31 AM
As an American citizen, I am really pleased to see that CBS has taken the courage to air this on their 60 minutes show. Having watched multiple media sources, I am 100% sure that our media, here in the USA, has been biased for years regarding the plight of the Palestinians and the brutal occupation of Israel over the Palestinians. This 60 Minutes segment has touched upon only the very tip of the iceberg though (so to say). There is so much more going on in Palestine and I encourage CBS to continue its exposure of the Israeli government and what they have been doing to the Palestinians for over 60 years now. And for those that think this is just to the Muslims, you need to do some more research. The Israeli government and its Israeli Defence Force (IDF) has also oppressed, persecuted, and murdered Palestinian Arab Jews and Christians as well as destroyed their Christian homes, churches, etc. purely for the theft of their lands in order to expand the Israeli settlements. There are still Palestinian Christians suffering under this Israeli brutal occupation as we speak today. For those that claim that God gave Israel this land, you need to know that the majority of the Israeli population are “self admitted” atheists from Europe. They are not from the bloodline of Abraham nor are they “semetic”. The “anti-semetic” cries of the Israelis in Israel are a farce used to gain the world’s sympathy. The facts are out there for sure but one needs to take the time to research them as our USA government and media have made it a habit to hide these facts. Thumbs up to CBS!!
J
February 1, 2009 at 2:02 AM
Brother Amad, may Allah [swt] reward you for your moderate stances. There are many Jews who are opposed to Zionism, and in fact, these anti-Zionist Jews have probably done more for spreading awareness on the issue than any single group of Muslims. Names like Noam Chomsky, Jews Not Zionists, True Torah Jews, Jews Against Zionism, etc. come to mind.
Fi Aman Allah
Miako
February 4, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Amad,
[the pardon was for overstepping myself onto your moderation duties. i am not the moderator, so if what I do interferes with what you wish to do with your site, then pardon!]
Respectfully, I disagree with your interpretation of what Zionism was. Yes, it was certainly about persuading Jews to move to the land of Israel, to make a Jewish Homeland. As Zionism started in the late 1800’s, I find it hard to believe that it was at all concerned with the Holocaust, something that happened over fifty years later! It is a plain fact that the English Authorities made promises in the Balfour Declaration concerning the Establishment of a Jewish Homeland in Israel. This was a response from pressure from influential Zionists. And then the British made other promises to the Arabic Palestinians. So I do not claim that the Jews have some sort of inherent right to Israel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine
Yes, the Irgun was a terrorist organization. Nobody denies that. However, there appears to be culpability on both sides.
[and, from what I was taught in school the Jews were in favor of partitioning (speaking of the 1947 ideas proposed), when the Arabs did not wish to divide Palestine, or to broker some sort of settlement in which both sides could prosper.]
I really don’t want to try and sift through what is real, and what is not, without consulting primary sources, but I do wish to say that things are more muddled than anyone would like. In composing this response, I ran across this book, which you may find interesting (I do not vouch for its veracity) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Shadows,_Palestinian_Collaboration_with_Zionism,_1917-1948
I understand that there is substantial evidence to show that Israelis removed Palestinians at gunpoint from their villages. Not appropriate nor condonable, in the case of peaceful villagers.
If you asked 99.9% of the Jews in America, they would say that they are Zionists. And most of them favor a two-state solution. I can appreciate that you believe the term is loaded. However, to use it indiscriminately, or as an insult, is to offend many people who would partner with you in peace. Might I suggest a trifle more nuance, perhaps ‘extremist Zionists’ or ‘hard-right Zionists’ or ‘rightwing Zionists’?
I understand that you, as do I, have a problem with the occupation. And that some crazy people think that Zionism is the reason they should be occupying other people’s land, without providing just compensation.
I hope and pray that Israel can be persuaded to do the just thing, here. I think that Jerusalem is an especially tricky point, and that some more delicate negotiations should be undertaken for it, rather than a simplistic “cut it in half” strategy. I believe that American Jewry and America have more leverage than they have often used, and that this might be just the key to a better, joint Palestinian Israeli future.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that your view of what a Zionist is, is very different from what an American Jew’s view of what a Zionist is. And that what you write may cause otherwise sympathetic people to conclude that you are not to be listened to (yes, sometimes we Jews are hypersentitive, too. it comes from thousands of years of persecution.).
I appreciate that some words on this site are said while people are angry, and that sometimes they don’t mean to tar every single Israeli with curses (even if that is sometimes how it sounds!). However, you are the moderator, and so to you, I feel compelled to speak my mind, in order that you might moderate to your best ability, and with full knowledge of the consequences of your actions.
Khaled
February 7, 2009 at 12:47 PM
Very enlightening, thank you CBS !