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1. 

   Hidaya

   November 26, 2008 at 1:32 AM

   If there is a Muslim country where I think I can live/migrate then it would definitely be Dubai and I would never even dream about moving anywhere else in Muslim land. So I hope I can get married to someone who is willing to move to Dubai …LOL

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2. 

   Faiza

   November 26, 2008 at 2:29 AM

   Alhamdhulillah, I am very happy to read this post. :)

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3. 

   islam blog

   November 26, 2008 at 2:39 AM

   A very objective view of the issue.
   Nothing beats recounting actual experiences..
   You could go on and on about the fiqh of hijrah
   But actual people doing it…
   and then sharing their experiences is what we need

   It can begin with sharing experiences..
   And then setting up support groups..
   This could go a long way in removing the difficulties the ‘Ahmads’ faced

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     Nathan Linley

     December 11, 2015 at 4:11 AM

     As salaamu alaikum. I’m working on a project to help with this type of knowledge sharing. I would like to invite everyone with experience in making hijrah, as well as those interested to help contribute their knowledge. http://www.makinghijrah.com

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4. 

   Siraaj

   November 26, 2008 at 2:52 AM

   Isn’t this article on another blog? Suhaib Webb?

   Siraaj

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5. 

   J

   November 26, 2008 at 5:53 AM

   As-Salam Alaykum.

   This is an excellent article, masha-Allah.

   I just wanted to point out that the article is not limited to the issue of hijrah. There is another issue, which is about people being obnoxious. The revert couple described in the article sounded very obnoxious. I know they probably had good intentions, but nonetheless, those kind of people really irritate me.

   This one time I was having dinner in Pakistan with a very religious friend. This beggar came to our table and he had a musical instrument in his arm, which he would play to receive money. Immediately, my religious friend condemned the beggar (to his face), saying “This is haram” and “Prophet Muhammad [s] forbade this”, etc. Bear in mind that the beggar can barely find enough money to eat, and yet here my friend was trying to take away the musical instrument.

   The beggar responded by saying “a big sufi scholar told me it is ok”. I strongly believe that music is haram. But that beggar was obviously incapable of investigating evidences; he thought music was halal from what that scholar told him. He was completely ignorant of any rulings forbidding music. And we, Ahl as-Sunnah, believe that ignorance may be forgiven by Allah [swt].

   I just want to clarify that my religious friend is a great guy. I just found this particular action of his to be obnoxious. The proper way to have dealt with the beggar would have been to invite him to eat dinner with us, talk with him, find out his worries and concerns, educate him on tawheed, invite him the mosque, build a relationship with him, monitor his status, keep in touch with him, etc. Slowly we could teach him about the religion, and we could also help him out with his financial affairs. Before we blast him with hadeeths forbidding music, we could make sure that we could find a suitable alternative to playing music to make a living.

   I have found that if you educate people in matters of tawheed and build a base of firm imaan first, then people will themselves become strict ON THEMSELVES with regards to Islam’s prohibitions. But in Pakistan (and elsewhere) we have reduced Islam to a bunch of prohibitions, halal and haram, or rather–haram wal haram! So suddenly it’s a much bigger deal that someone listens to music, and the fact that he calls on other than Allah [swt] becomes a minor issue. Although both aqeedah and fiqh are important, there is no doubt that aqeedah takes precedence. Yet, we unfortunately just start blasting people on fiqhi issues, without first building their aqeedah and strengthening their imaan so that dealing with the prohibitions would come from the heart.

   But of course all of this would take time! How much easier it is to just say “HARAM HARAM HARAM!” Indeed, it was very easy for my religious friend to do that, but how hard was it on the heart of the poor beggar? It must have created a great burden on his heart that he is not only pathetically poor in this life but he’s also going to go to hell-fire for his career choice.

   The Shari’ah was expounded in stages so that it would not be burdensome on the people. We should also be wise when we approach non-practicing or new Muslims. As I say over and over again, there is an axiom in dawah which is that “everything that is known does not need to be spread”. The Prophet [s] said certain words to his Sahabi, but he forbade that Sahabi from telling that to others because he feared that they would rely on it too much. So we see that there is a place in our deen for ‘controlling’ what knowledge we give to someone. We do not dump on them all the prohibitions; rather, we slowly and gradually move them in the right direction.

   Anyways, my point is that the revert couple should chillax on the condemning non-practicing Muslims. If you REALLY want to make them change, then change their HEARTS and the rest will follow insha-Allah. I have a lot of respect for this brother who went to my uni…he used to hold weekly sessions, and he made it so ‘non-condemning’ that even sinful party people started attending, and you could see their hearts softening over the weeks.

   Let’s please move beyond the Pakistani version of Islam that is ‘haram haram haram!’ It’s funny that some overzealous reverts can also become this way.

   May Allah [swt] give us wisdom.

   Fi Aman Allah

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6. 

   Omar

   November 26, 2008 at 8:02 AM

   Dubai, of all places? Doesn’t that miss the point of hijra completely?

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7. 

   Abû Mûsâ Al-Ḥabashî

   November 26, 2008 at 8:02 AM

   Jazaakillaah khayr sister! This is a nice change to the usual articles I read that just bash hijrah and concentrate on the positives of the West vs. the evils of the East as opposed to looking at the total picture (I remember one brother who was seriously trying to argue that it was easier to practice Islam in America than Saudi Arabia!).

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8. 

   Amad

   November 26, 2008 at 8:38 AM

   Isn’t this article on another blog? Suhaib Webb?

   Siraaj

   Believe not Siraaj. Should be an original, unpublished article.

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9. 

   Yasir Qadhi

   November 26, 2008 at 8:46 AM

   I have dozens of stories of people leaving for overseas for religious reasons. In my own circle of friends and acquaintances, I would estimate roughly 80 % fall into the first category of being idealistic and searching for utopia. Most of these people come back or become very bitter where they are. The remaining 20 % have mixed stories, but all were more pragmatic and realized the harms before they went. They merely wished to live in ‘those’ harms in the East versus ‘these’ harms in the West, and felt it was better for their religion.

   And as I said in my lecture ‘Towards Formulating a Vision for Muslims in the West’, while I do not believe it is obligatory to move overseas, I do believe that people need to make up their minds about this issue and then get on with their decision, with all of its consequences. And there is good in both insha Allah, if one’s attitude and intention is correct.

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10. 

    asad

    November 26, 2008 at 8:49 AM

    jazakallh khair for the article.
    I would like to ask my fellow brothers and sisters: how does one actually go about hijrah to another country. Is there an agency we can contact? And is there somewhere we can turn to to find out which country would satisy our needs?

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11. 

    Jessica

    November 26, 2008 at 9:08 AM

    Mashallah, this article is fair and looks at the issue from both sides. There is a real truth to the really wonderful positive things and the really awful negative things in most “Muslim countries.”

    However, I was absolutely shocked by one part of the article – “The Muslim world is not perfect. Period. But the positives more than balance them out: Muslims are a majority (even if all of them may not be practicing); you hear the azaan fives times a day; you can never miss a prayer for a lack of masjid; hijabis & ‘beardies’ are a norm & do not stick out as on the street; halal food in all eateries & markets; easy access & wide choice for children’s secular & Islamic education; tax-free incomes; Islamic financing; personal safety & security etc.”

    Where Is This Place??????

    Jessica

    (living in egypt for last seven years)

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12. 

    Dubai-in

    November 26, 2008 at 9:19 AM

    I agree with Sheik Yasir, i never rally formulated a vision before thinking of moving to dxb for education purposes but I been living in dxb for 6 years now as a medical student, born an raised in US. so i myself was disillusioned, thinking how perfect Dubai was until i actually lived it. Then only i began to see the problems an became really frustrated. Its the society i think because the country has all to offer but the people are not practicing muslims..the temptations are the same as in the west which i think is the govt fault allowing alcohol,clubs..prostitutions all types of fitnah and then there a mix of cultures from arabs to south indians to nigerians to morrocans…. So i believe there needs to be more efforts of dawwa and confrences here that would help change this society bringing everyong together. I think thats wat UAE lacks. They been trying to change this country from east to west so we should also par take more islamic bringing more western scholar these lands….

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13. 

    Abu Rumaysah

    November 26, 2008 at 9:57 AM

    Bismillah
    I don’t know what is the background context of this article, but I find it quite interesting, as Umar alluded to, that hijra was made Dubai of all places? I am no scholar, but I remember reading that there are some conditions about the “place of hijra”…when the prophet (saws) selected abysinnia, it was for a good reason, it could have also been other neighboring areas to the north or south, but in fact it was “west”..

    I have been to Dubai several times, I can honestly tell you that I felt I was in a European city, I did not feel any “islamic” culture in particular, it is more of a business hubb and everything else that follow that type of hubb…and perhaps most of you may have recently read the article about the foreign couple who were caught having intercourse at the beach there…

    therefore to make comments about hijra to such a location is in itself questionable since i really dont know it would qualify as “hijra” in the 1st place, the scholars who are familiar with those regions would be best to determine such issues..

    I am not arguing for or against ppl making hijra from the west, but we know from the sacred texts that hijra has a very high station with Allah ta`ala and this is why it is mentioned so many times in the Qur`an and the ajr attached with it is very lofty as the ayat clearly state as well as the prophetic traditions…i believe that hijra is meant to facilitate worshipping Allah ta`ala and if that objective is not achievable (or atleast not better then where you are currently residing) in that place then I would question its selection as a place of hijra…

    ppl should do some serious homework and research, consultation, istikhara, etc. before making such important decesions as it is not an easy thing to do since it is sort of a “displacement” and we know that from the leniency the muhajiroon were given by the prophet (saw) when the first arrived in Madina ..

    As a muhajir from the states to Saudi for the past 4.5 years, I can honestly say that it is difficult (to say the least) but at the same time very rewarding (specially here)..I tell most ppl that these years have been some of the most toughest years of my life while at the same time the most “blessed” time for me and my family…(just to give you examples from the circle of our ‘western” friends, some of our children have memorized the whole Quran by Allah’s grace in these few years, some of our brothers themselves started memorization and recently finished the whole Qur`an, some of mothers have learnt to read and write Arabic, most of the all of the children speak Arabic fluently, etc..)..but all of it did not simply come about by living here, it took a lot of hard work but the soceity makes it easier to acheive such goals..

    in the end, i believe that everyone innately yearns to live in a socially and spiritually healthy environment, but realistically everyone cannot do that…so I’d say that individual families need to weight the benefits gained vs. harms resulting considering all practical issues of one’s life…and if you dont know what those issues are, just talk to a trustworthy source who has lived there who can give you objective advise…

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14. 

    Abu Hossan

    November 26, 2008 at 10:41 AM

    Jazaak Allaah khayr for an excellent artice. This is the kind of stuff I look up to muslimmatters for. (no more Obama neo-romanticism please)

    The best definition of hijrah that I’ve come across, is ‘migrating from a place that is worse to that which is better’. Everyone has to make that decision for themselves. Shaykh Ali al-Timimi’s lecture on this topic is an excellent discourse.

    I was born and raised in Dubai, though I haven’t been there in 7 years. I know its changed a lot, but if you look at the UAE as a whole, you’ll still find plenty of places where one can find a good Islamic environment. Even in Dubai itself, its still pretty easy to avoid the fitnah places.

    I’ve heard Shaykh Salah Bukhatir runs a very good school in Sharjah. And there’s are good shyuookh there, Shaykh Salem al-Emry being one of them. My mother tells me lots of masajid have programs for teaching Qur’aan etc. where teachers are appointed by the govt. Ajman and the other emirates are pretty conservative.

    So sure, the UAE is not its no Utopia, its no Saudi Arabia, but its still a Muslim country.

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15. 

    Hassan

    November 26, 2008 at 11:56 AM

    Having lived first 21 years of my life in east, in muslim countries, mainly Saudi Arabia, Sharjah, UAE and Pakistan, and then living in west in USA, I am very well aware of pros and cons. The world is not perfect, no place is perfect, every place has its benefits and harms.

    But my question to shyookh has always been one, and what to do of my guilt? How can I live in a country that is killing lots of my fellow muslims? Am I asking for mass migration? No! I am just talking about me as individual. Sure, life in UAE, Saudia, Pakistan is not rosy, in fact, at personal level, I would have set back financially and career wise, but i would at least feel good about not having my hands bloody?

    Can a sheikh help?

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16. 

    LearningArabic

    November 26, 2008 at 12:40 PM

    Interesting article.

    I am a bit surprised that people would recommed Dubai of all places to make hijra. Personally, if the condition in America got bad enough (not being able to practice deen freely) then I would go to Malaysia. Its not perfect either, but there are definitely many things to like about it. It is a muslim country, modern, good economy, and safe.

    And from what I’ve seen, Malaysian people have wonderful akhlaaq. You don’t have the type of corruption that exists in other parts of the Muslim world. Not to mention that there are many institutions that offer higher Islamic learning. In my opinion, I think it is a good place to go for a practicing Muslim that is coming from a more Western and modern environment.

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17. 

    SaqibSaab

    November 26, 2008 at 12:44 PM

    The job economy stinks here in the US. I should make Hijrah to Canadia. I heard they have good halal wings there. :)

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18. 

    Umm Omar

    November 26, 2008 at 1:06 PM

    Salams

    Very nice article, I myself wanted to move to Egypt my husband’s homeland, but…. we decided to stay in the U.S. and visit every year. When the kids were not of school age I would go for 3 months in the off season and then when they became school age we would bear the hot weather and go in the summer time for about 2 months. It has worked well for us and our kids speak arabic and love their extended family. Now they are college age and take advantage of the school break and go to Egypt to improve their arabic and connect with the family. Whatever people decide should be based on their own personal preference, because what might be good for them may not be good for someone else, we are all different .Aalso by staying in the U.S. it is very clear what is black is black and what is white is white where this may be a problem in the middleeast where things can be in the grey area. Insha’Allah may we all be guided to live in the best place possible.

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19. 

    Islamist

    November 26, 2008 at 2:10 PM

    Assalammou’alaikum.. Alhamdulillah this is a nice topic about which muslims do not talk nowadays.. But the question is if there is a place where muslims can go to live their true islam? Maybe it can be saudi arabia or some other islamic state. Concerning dubai, its nice to live there but it is corrupted by evil with its niteclubs and other activities. When the sahabas and the prophet (saw) did hijra, many placse were uninhabited and they could easily settle down. But nowadays u need a visa and other things to enter a country. But this doesn’t mean we have to abandon the idea of hijra specially if you live in a country where it is hard to practice ur full islam n u r sometimes discriminated. May Allah guide us n make us live in the best place.

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20. 

    AnonyMouse

    November 26, 2008 at 2:16 PM

    Although I’ve never made hijrah (yet), from what I’ve read and heard, there seems to be two major factor that are against the average Muslim in their effort to make hijrah (esp. long-term): finances and beauracracy.

    Getting a job anywhere in the Middle East (and even Malaysia/ Indonesia) is incredibly hard. Companies that are hiring foreigners are often looking for a very specific set of qualifications, which of course not all Hijrah-bound Muslims have.
    Then there’s the paperwork. Visas, work permits, and all the rest of it… even IF you get a job, it’s not guaranteed that the government will let you in the country! And when you get in, there’s another issue: how long are you allowed to stay?
    For example, students at Islamic universities (as in Saudi) can only stay until they’ve graduated; after that, they’re often booted back home.

    So even for those who desperately want to make hijrah, who are being pragmatic and realistic… sometimes it’s almost impossible for them to do it. May Allah accept their intentions and make their affairs easy, ameen.

    In the meantime… if you’ve got any contacts who can help us out, hook us up! :)

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21. 

    muslimah

    November 26, 2008 at 2:29 PM

    nice article! wow i have so much to say, i live in the uae, and i love it here! suer there’s fitnah, ashratul sa’a are everywhere but in the end IT”S STILL A MUSLIM COUNTRY. i can walk around completely covered, ppl stare (niqab is not common in uae) but no one can dare call me a terrorist or throw insults.
    dubai is full of fitnah- i hardly go there..i mean you can see the rocking fitnah right from the airport. the best thing abt living here for me personally is that I have a choice. you can go completely practicing or get lost to the dunya- it’s all upto you. then again you cant get wayy too lost simply cos we still didnt dont have fitnah right on the streets and bill boards, and everywhere you go.
    the masajids here are awesome, my mom attends one- and the teachers are great mashaAllah. as far as Islamic education goes, well, havent lived in the UAE for long, but i believe it’s all upto you. if u are hungry for ‘ilm, you will try and seek it ..somehow anyhow. not that we dont have islaic centres here. we do but the no. is not so great considering this is supposed to be a muslim country.
    i can go on and on..so i’ll shut shut up now lol

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22. 

    Amad

    November 26, 2008 at 2:48 PM

    I was raised in Dubai (from age 2 to 17)… II left in the 90s,while Dubai was still THE place to raise a family.

    Then hell (development) broke loose. And Dubai rulers felt that the only way to make progress is to allow free flow of wine, pork and prostitution. So, in addition to economic progress, they welcomed immorality progress. Now, a quarter of Dubai is a huge red-light district, with the rest not much better. Great big malls is where “action” takes place all the time. In fact, I lived in a nice part of the town, called Deira, which I hear is one of the worst parts for prostitution. *Sigh*

    I think Abu Dhabi and Sharjah are much more desirable locations. Though I do agree that you can get what you want there.

    Actions are by intentions, so may Allah reward all those who moved for the sake of Allah. And reward all those who didn’t move also for the sake of Allah. And those who didn’t move should busy themselves with dawah so that IF the opinion that its wrong to live here is right, at least we have an excuse inshallah.

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23. 

    ummabdullah

    November 26, 2008 at 4:33 PM

    This article is good mash’allah. Alhamdulillah I fall into the second category. But let me explain.

    We moved from the US just a few months ago to Egypt, Cairo to be more specific. In a few words: I love it.

    We knew for several years that we wanted to move overseas. Towards this goal, my husband picked a profession that would make it easy for him to do that. Note: he actually made a career change. He did his masters. He got some experience in the same field masha’llah.

    Then with much istikhara, dua and really sort of out of the blue, he got a decent job offer and we took it. And alhamdulillah moved to Cairo.
    Inside my heart, I had fears even though I had much that was encouraging me about egypt: the fact that its more ‘modern’ so it would be easier to swallow having lived in the US for so long.

    We both knew that it wasn’t a perfect country. We were both prepared for this.

    Really, when I got here…I just can’t explain it. I look back to the muslim communities in the west and I can’t help but feel that it is a bubble. You can have the islamic school and the masjid and the conferences, but ultimately when you go outside to the local library or the local eatery or what have you, YOU ARE DIFFERENT. Sure you grow up dealing with it and dealing with it becomes a part of you. Explaining why you are wearing that or being extra nice becomes a part of you.

    But once I’ve come here, I never wana go back!!!! Insh’allah. Not because Egypt is some 100% holy pious country because as Jessica said it’s not lol. Even in egypt, there’s people who either love it or hate it. Alhamdulillah I’m someone who loves it (so far and insh’allah I hope it will be the same)

    Don’t get me wrong. I don’t love everything but when I compare the US to Cairo, I would pick Cairo every time. Let me see if I can explain:

    1-Islam is the dominant religion and culture. Sure there’s churches. Sure there’s people flirting and not wearing hijab or what have you. But the DOMINANT RELIGION IS ISLAM. I am not weird or a TERRORIST or anything here. I am a RESPECTED MUSLIM LADY. No one will dare to tell me to go back home. And get this: im not egyptian n i’m not originally american. So i’m a foreigner here too. (my husband however is egyptian)

    2- The people here are so nice. I was raised for the most part in the US. I speak perfect english but every time i step out of the house i’m the ‘other’ in the US. The slogan in the US is that ‘we accept everyone’ but the truth is that if you don’t conform to “society” then you are weird. In Cairo, my culture I feel is respected. I’m not expected to mutate into an egyptian. I am respected and WELCOMED. The people here are SUPER FRIENDLY. and I feel like I am mainstream. I’m not a fringe of society. My kids insh’allah wil grow up here as mainstream. that’s a far cry from how they would feel in the US.

    3- Conveniences: we didn’t really know of this but found out once we got here. You can literally order everything here from medicine to groceries. You can order from pharmacies anytime of day or night. This actually makes for a very good effect on family life. In the US, my husband used to do groceries and a million other errands and myself as well but here things are just so much more convenient in that day. You also have a ‘bawab’ someone who lives in the building and basically does chores and other things for the people living in the building. He will wash your car for you for a price, do your groceries if you want,etc.

    Yes it is unfair that some have more than others here. It is true in the US but it is ‘MORE TRUE’ here in that people are far more poor. As a muslim who Allah has blessed, in my situation all i can do is share that blessing and try to work to eradicate it.

    4- Even though our financial situation did jump upward when we moved, we could have worked hard to be more comfortable in the US as well. We had access to free parks there. Here we have access to sporting clubs (which unfortunately the majority of egyptians do not have access to). I far prefer the ‘naadi’ as we call it here compared to the parks in america. Why? In the naadi, I can eat out, pray, clearly be respected and mainstream.

    5-Education : the US is great for graduate level education but for everything below it isn’t necessarily superior. I have access to so many islamic and secularly good schools here, far more than the choice of a few islamic schools run by people not qualified and with teachers with no education degrees. I do not need to be running around like a headless chicken dropping my kid off and picking up from school. I have vans and buses here that can do that for me.

    As evidence for this education claim, both my parents got their education ‘back home’, yes from good schools. Now in their 50s they both have high end executive positions in america so don’t be fooled into thinking that the education in america is the best. Even now, my mother can do math calculations faster and remembers more calculus formulas than i do at my age of 20 something. why? because starting from highschool in the US, we were encouraged to learn how to use calculators while they were asked to memorize things. So much for superior education in the US :-)

    I feel like I don’t alhamdulilah have a complex in terms of moving back here and living here even though i’m not super duper rich here. I feel like i’ve experienced the ‘best of the west’ and I’ve realized that its not all that and then some the WAY we MAKE it out to be. And I hope I can pass on that feeling of confidence to my children.

    6- Materially everything is available here.

    Overall, the feeling of being a mainstream muslim is really something I can’t put a dollar value to. And I can’t lie and say that the malls and the naadi(it helps tremendously) don’t help. I’m not someone who likes to stroll in malls all the time but if I need something or want to ‘get out’ I know they exist and I can do there.

    Basically, alhamdulillah I don’t feel like IVE LOST by coming here. Alhamdulillah I feel like i’ve gained the best of both worlds insh’allah.

    (sure the driving here sucks but u work your way around it. we’ve gotten an automatic car to try to make that easier for ourselves..)

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24. 

    Faiez

    November 26, 2008 at 4:37 PM

    Eye-opening article about dubai posted on Danish’s website:

    http://purepundit.com/2008/10/08/the-modern-day-muslim-mirage-dubai/

    Modern day slavery.

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25. 

    Abu Abdullah

    November 26, 2008 at 5:12 PM

    JazakAllahu khayran for this great article.

    I agree with everything the sister said. From my personal experience, I grew up in Muscat, Oman and attended an American school there. Our school organized parties, discos, the prom etc (you name it and we had it) and I almost had a “western” upbrining there. Then I moved to the US for my college and that’s when I became a practising Muslim. Now when I go back to Muscat for my vacation, all I see is the masajids, hear the adhan, watch muslim brothers and sisters dressed conservatively and attend the halaqahs!

    My point is that Oman didn’t change at all in the 8 years that I’ve been away butwhat changed is the lens through which I view it and lead my life.

    Unfortunately you hear a lot of western muslims talking bad about the Middle East. They need to remind themselves that there were muslims sinning at the time of Muhammad (saw) in Madinah! Not the mention the high number of munafiqs as well. So what can one expect now?

    I strong feel that the middle east is still A LOT better for the muslims than the west is and one has to be realistic in their expectations!

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26. 

    MR

    November 26, 2008 at 5:35 PM

    I want to make hijrah to NY!

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27. 

    Suhail

    November 26, 2008 at 6:25 PM

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/08/middleeast.construction

    Some insight into Dubai.

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28. 

    Al-Madrasi

    November 26, 2008 at 6:31 PM

    Assalamu Alaikum wr wb,

    I heard the following consistently from many peoples (even from a sheikh and a person who lived in Dubai untill his graduation) that, In muslim countries, one gets picked up by the police if you consistently pray 5 times day in jamaah or having a long beard etc, I am sorry to say that this turns me oft completely.

    Wiith (or IF) that being true I do not think, a country is hijrah-qualified. I also heard that airports in muslim countries are worst in terms of treating muslims than in the west.

    Allahu Azzawajal knows the best.

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29. 

    Al-Madrasi

    November 26, 2008 at 7:27 PM

    btw, needless to mention about the abuses of muslims from third world countries (like india, pakistan, indonesia, etc) who work as a maid, driver or some low profile jobs. Muslims are almost treated as slaves if not worst, I have heard many stories from indians and have seen some videos in youtube or somewhere where how one gets beaten up etc.

    Coupling with the hardships about the beaurocracy, One of my friend said, if one is over 60 who is not a citizen and lives in Dubai, he has to pay some money to the government every year even no matter how long one works (or worked) in Dubai. I do not think these supposedly muslim countries are hijrah-eligible.

    Also, one gets kicked out of the country if your job ends.

    I would like to bring an event that happened during the search of a base in Prophet’s (saw) Makkan time. When Rasool SAW when to meet delegates of Banu Shu’aiba, one of the delegates Al-mudhanna said, we can protect you from the arab side and we cannot help protecting you from the persian side (land of Banu shu’aiba was bordering the lands of arabs and persians). Rasool SAW responded by saying, your reply is in no way bad (of course other tribes rejected Rasool saw) for you have spoked truthfully and eloquently, but Allah’s religion can only be engaged in by those who encompass it completely.

    Here Rasool SAW rejected the half deals even when he was searching for place to do hijrah. Even though those were the times which was worse for muslims in makkah, even then Rasool SAW rejected the half deal. Even in the abyssenia, Negas accepted muslims without any restrictions.

    Having noted that, lives of muslims is no way comparable to the times of lifes of muslims in makkah. It is some of us, who think/made our life is harder. I have seen people praying in airports and even in public places and people having no problems of practising islam here in our west. If all the muslims were to be practising islam and show religiosity in public, we would not have all these stereo types and staring issues (some of us are even very reserved replying to salam in public). It is us, who has to make some change. It is saddening and unfortunate to see some practising muslims departing from here.

    Believe it or not, if their laws were friendly for hijrah, muslims from india and some parts of the world would have flooded there. In reality, there are thousands of muslims if not millions were working alone leaving their family in their home countries for decades (I know personally n-number of muslims who are like that from india).

    I personally do not think, there is any place better to do hijrah. All these rhetorics about hijrah (being obligatory, musthahab, not obligatory) should be made after these less than half, double standard deals removed from those muslim-countries-in-paper.

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30. 

    Siraaj

    November 26, 2008 at 8:52 PM

    I think Hijrah to escape fitnah for more islamic environments is silly – it’s no better overseas (and many times worse) than in the west.

    My question – my tax money goes to fund the wars overseas that are killing our brothers and sisters – shouldn’t I move to a neutral nation (Muslim or nonMuslim run) to avoid contributing? If not, why not?

    Siraaj

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31. 

    muslimah

    November 26, 2008 at 9:16 PM

    i found this really interesting. not about the UAE but something similar.

    http://saudijeans.org/2006/11/09/the-view-what-do-we-look-like/

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32. 

    Umm Reem

    November 26, 2008 at 9:32 PM

    Very interesting artilce indeed!

    I am also amazed at Dubai being a “safer” place then the west…my brother in law lived in dubai two years ago and did NOT recommand that place for us (however he did mention that “good” people live there and it depends what you look for outside), but now he is living in Abu Dhabi and recommends that place for us…
    good friend of mine moved from houston to sharjah and was happy…she found a huge converts’ community there, started halaqat, became an “activist” for those who think we cannot do “dawah” in middle east!!

    do i want to move overseas to avoid fitnah? i would have to say define “fitnah” then because it definitely can NOT be to avoid the fitnah of women, fahash etc. but it is definitely to avoid many other fitan BUT i will not be moving there with a “utopia” in my mind but to take advantage of the good available there and i do understand that i will have to “give up” something in order to gain something.

    one thing that i want to mention, in an effort to raise good children perhaps it is wiser to move around and give them a taste of both cultures and environments. this was something recommended by sh. muhammad alshareef too (if i understood it right from one of his lectures) and now that i myself am helping out some teenage daughters/mothers i realize the importance of it…

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33. 

    talib

    November 26, 2008 at 10:10 PM

    what a great article…

    i just had a comment on the readers posts…the fitnah is everywhere in a muslim/non muslim land…whats different in the muslim countries are the masajids..adhan out loud..not to have to worry when eid is…halal food everywhere…these are just a few benefits and if you have children its way better in any of the muslim countries than the west to be brought up..

    so if it was upto me..a muslim country supersedes living in NY or Canada

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34. 

    muslimah

    November 26, 2008 at 11:21 PM

    dubai sucks in terms of the fitnah level. any other emirate is better. Abu Dhabi is great-when i went there i saw so many niqabis masha’Allah. anyway i wont recommend moving to the uae unless your rich. it’s very expensive making a life over here.
    i’d like to remind everyone-there’s fitan everywhere. didnt our Prophet salAllahu’alayhee wasallam say (in my own words) there’ll be a time when a man will have no option but to to escape to the jungle to protect his deen? i feel the time’s almost come.just remember wherever you are, try to be the best muslim/muslimah you can be. of course the envt does have an effect on you, but in the end i guess you have to decide what kind of a life you want. it’s a different experience living int west and having to deal w/ fitnah and a totally different thing to face it in the muslim countries. Allahul mustan.

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35. 

    J

    November 27, 2008 at 12:06 AM

    In muslim countries, one gets picked up by the police if you consistently pray 5 times day in jamaah or having a long beard etc, I am sorry to say that this turns me oft completely.

    I doubt this is true. Wallahu Aalim.

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36. 

    Ali Shehata

    November 27, 2008 at 12:26 AM

    Salaam alaikum

    I thoroughly enjoyed reading this post and ask Allah to bless the sister who wrote it. It was concise yet very informative. I also appreciate a number of the comments written by those people actually living in Muslim populated countries. They have reflected my own positive experiences alhamdulillah. I know a family that moved recently to Egypt from Europe to preserve their deen and they have been very happy about life in Egypt alhamdulillah.

    I have observed something though that I found rather impolite while reading through the many comments posted. The Prophet (saas) has been authentically recorded in al-Sahihayn as saying, “Let whosoever believes in Allah and in the Last Day either speak good or be silent.” There are a number of negative posts written about life outside of the “West” among these comments and I found it curious that the vast majority were written by people living outside the Muslim populated countries or comments based on hear-say.

    I would like to remind myself and those who care to stop and listen, that it was Allah Himself and His Messenger who recommended Muslims to migrate and to live in Muslim lands where they would be majorities and not as minorities in non-Muslim lands. For those who paint the Muslim populated nations in such negative brush strokes, I would like them to remember that Allah and His Messenger know best and Allah was certainly aware of the circumstances we as an Ummah would come to face in this day and age and yet the ayaat and ahadith still stand and are not abrogated.

    If Allah has not blessed us to understand the wisdom behind His commands then it would be good manners with Him to remain silent about why we think living as a minority in non-Muslim lands is better than living as a majority in a Muslim land. How many a person has obeyed Allah and His Messenger only later to find out the great blessing in that act of obedience, and what blessings and honor in the eyes of Allah might we be missing out on by not acting on this important deed – be it mustahabb or waajib?

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37. 

    Adam Shabber

    November 27, 2008 at 1:25 AM

    Assalamalakum,

    This is the brother mentioned in the article, Adam Shabber Mohammed.

    Reading some of the replies I get the feeling we need to look at our own individual situation and be sincere in our advice and actions, very important point the sister made was the lens you look through.

    Remember: There is no perfection in this world, our vision is to go to Jannah, so what do we need to do as a team to get there, remember you can not fight shaitan by yourself, if we work together we can build the communities and environment to help us to get to jannah.

    I posted the post below in a yahoo group for people who want to make hiji.

    Assalamalakum,

    Al humdulilah some good points and sincere advice from everyone. I would like to add some observations in general from my own experience. I made hijrah al humdulilah with my family from the UK to the UAE. I came on a job and then the organization I was working for got down sized after 4 years. I and my wife decided to start a small education institute, and just getting the approval took 1 year, at all obstacles we would talk about packing our bags and going back to the UK.

    Al humdulilah we are still running our business and still in the UAE, it pays the rent and puts food on our table, al humdulilah, inshallah I am sure the business can do a lot more.

    Over the past 8 years in the UAE I have observed the following:

    • Non-Muslims and deviant Muslim groups are more successful in large business because:
    o When they start their business their community helps them
    o They will live husband and wife with 2 kids in one small room to help the business start
    o Everyone in the business will be happy they have a roof over their head and food on their table, they will forgo all other luxuries for the benefit of the business
    o They will work 12 hour days for at least 2 to 3 years
    o They will not go on yearly holidays
    o They will struggle for their collective good

    And after only 5 years they will reap the benefits, and if they want to retire!!!

    • The problems with the Muslims
    o Lack of Patience
     With people
     With work
     With Business
     With tests and difficulties
    o Jealousy for others successes
    o Working together as a successful team
    o Laziness
    o No calculated risk taking in business
    o No sharing
    o Suspicion
    o No Real trust in Allah(swt) for their rizk – we say it, but do we follow it.

    Remember these are general observations not specific. But everything we read about in the Quran and Sunnah, its like it goes in one ear and out the other, the Muslims are far away from practicing what they preach. We are very good at the physical practices, but do not understand how to really change ourselves from inside to out, where as we have been trying to change ourselves from outside to in. This is one problem we have if we only read books and just listen to lectures we have to get up and live with the scholars and students of knowledge meet them and see how the act and behave to change from within.

    Look at Allah(swt)’s creation do we really find something that is weak inside and looks great outside, think of flowers if a flower is beautiful from the outside it must be strong in the inside, good stem, good roots, etc, u can not get a strong beautiful plant without a strong inside.

    Where as with humans we can look the part but be rotten inside……

    We as the best of the nations should not be looking and running around trying to work for others, but working together and building large successful enterprises, multi-million dollar enterprises.

    So let me give everyone some advice, put your heads together start working together, sacrifice for each other like the al ansar did for the al muhajiroon, real sacrifice.

    Here is my practical suggestion: What do you have that people will pay you cash in the Muslim countries for?

    Your English accent, people in these countries will pay for you to teach them and their children English, so this is what you do:

    • Get four families together, husband and wife who can teach English at different levels – staff of 4:
    o TEFL – Level
    o Teach English to children
    o Understand and keep yourself updated on ways to teach languages, think of how you tried to learn Arabic.
    • At least 2 of the staff should obtain or have business skills
    o Basic accounting
    o Marketing / advertising
    o Office management
    • Rent a 4 bed en-suite 2 hall villa
    o Each family has a room
    o Each family takes turns to cook
    • Rent or buy a minibus – 15 seater
    • Setup your education institute
    o Small to begin with enough for 50 children or 25 adults
    • 3 adults work at the institute while one stays home and looks after all children and house
    o You can rotate this
    • Design and print flyers
    o Go to local schools to offer English after school help
    • Give yourself 2 to 3 years inshallah to build up the business
    o Be prepared for ups and down
    o Within the 3 years you will generate money to:
     Hire a full time driver
     Hire a full time maid /cook
    • Hire a Quran and Arabic teacher for your children
    o Start home schooling them if school fees are too expensive
    • Setup a time for everyone to study Arabic and learn their deen
    • Setup a time for leisure activities
    • After 5 years of building a name and reputation
    o Open another branch 2 families can move to the new branch, new city
    o But this time you employ teachers on bonus schemes
    • When you open your third branch you franchise it out to another 2 families who want to make hijrah
    • By your 5th branch you will be just managing it, no need to teach.

    Working together we will be a lot more independent and strong then to go solo every time, the sunnah is to work together to build our Muslim communities.

    Just think of all the Muslim cities in the world where you can do this.

    For all the Muslims in the west, get together and build communities around the likes of Yasir Qadhi, Mohammed Shareef, and others, work together to build the business that will support the communities.

    May Allah(swt) unite us on the truth and give us the strength and patience to work together and implement the truth, ameen.

    Walakum as salam

    Abu Abdullah ibn Adam Shabber

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      ummabraar

      September 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM

      Asalamualaikum,
      I would like to know where your educational institute is situated,brother abu abdulla ibn adam shabber.
      plz do reply fast.
      jazakillh kahir,wsalam

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38. 

    Islamist

    November 27, 2008 at 2:43 AM

    Assalammou’alaikum wa rahmatullah.. I completely agree that wen u live in a muslim country even though there is the presence of fitnah, u can practice ur islam openly and if u have a beard or a sister is wearing niqaab, no one will stare at her like an alien. U may have a strong imaan and taqwa but if u evolve in a non islamic atmosfer, it decreaes this taqwa. That,s y it is imprtant to hav an islamic atmosphere and i think it is on that basis principally we shud do hijra. Of course there are other aspacts like job,residence,etc.. But if we practice our islam as we must with our heart full of taqwa, zen inshaAllah evrythng will bcome easy..

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39. 

    muslimah

    November 27, 2008 at 2:56 AM

    I completely agree that wen u live in a muslim country even though there is the presence of fitnah, u can practice ur islam openly and if u have a beard or a sister is wearing niqaab, no one will stare at her like an alien

    that’s not true. wearing a niqab is difficult anywhere in the world and you get stared at like crazy everywhere except in saudi, yemen, and some parts of asia where many women observe niqab. i guess the thing here is you can get stared but no one will try to assault you mentally/physically.

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40. 

    Islamist

    November 27, 2008 at 6:03 AM

    Yea u r rite qbt wat u r saying sister, the reason y people r becoming like zat is imply bkoz islam is becoming a strange religion or some muslims feel shy to show their islam. But for the case of physical n mental assult its mainly in the european countries but not evrywher. For example,if u hav a beard n u enter the airport, there are security officers following u. In other countries it is not like that but still they are doing all they can to harass the muslims. In an islamic country, there is no open persecution but u get discouragemen and comments frm people but we should hold fast to the Qur’an and the sunnah, we shudn’t care abt the odd comments. This the mistake that many muslims r doing nwadays..

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41. 

    Al-Madrasi

    November 27, 2008 at 7:59 AM

    @J

    In muslim countries, one gets picked up by the police if you consistently pray 5 times day in jamaah or having a long beard etc, I am sorry to say that this turns me oft completely.

    I doubt this is true. Wallahu Aalim.

    I heard this from couple of people who lived in so-called-muslim-countries. I even heard that, kids (students) gets reported if they do not raise their hands (or whatever you are supposed to do) during the pledge at schools.

    Wallahu A’lam.

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42. 

    Bint Imam (Author)

    November 27, 2008 at 9:13 AM

    Asalaamualaikum,

    When I first wrote this piece for MM, I knew & expected that (some) readers would pounce on the word, ‘Dubai’ (& all that it is notorious for) & use it to snub hijrah altogether.
    Let me offer a few clarifications regarding the objective of my article (& Dubai).

    1. To show that our attitude makes a world of a difference on how we perceive our environment. I have listened to the Ahmad’s(the first couple) issues for over a period of a year. I sympathize with them & truly wish that they find contentment in the next country they are moving to inshaAllah, but, I feel it’s going to be uphill for them anywhere they go – owing to their attitude. And Allah knows best.
    2. This is not meant to discount the positive elements in the West or the negative ones in the East.
    3. To those who don’t know (as I can gauge from some of the comments), Dubai is not a country. It is one of the city/emirate in the country called U.A.E.
    4. I do not advocate a particular country or city as a hijrah destination. Rather I encourage the readers to do their research & find out what suits ‘them’ as individuals, if & when they choose to migrate.
    5. Dubai, no doubt, is no longer the family-friendly city it used to be back in the 80s & 90s.
    6. My descriptions are not representative of Dubai, but sum up the general picture of the UAE & other Middle Eastern countries (GCC). To be fair, I devoted a paragraph to throw light on the negatives and the positives.
    7. The two families, I cited as examples, initially did live in Dubai when they arrived in the UAE. But after a while they moved to other cities. Alhumdullilah, the other cities like Sharjah, Ajman, Abu Dhabi, etc continue to be good places to live with families.

    asad & AnonyMouse
    The job market is very competitive but a ‘Western’ degree does lend more weight than others’. So that is an advantage.
    Unfortunately, there is no structured support organization to facilitate hijrah. Some efforts are being made in this direction, but it is still too early to announce them. You will need to search online for people, groups who have experience.

    Also, don’t base decisions on other people’s experience. Talk to them in specific terms. For example, instead of asking, “Is it worth it?” or “Is it good living there?”, ask specific practical questions related to things that you need to know: “How much would it cost to rent a 2 BR apartment in the city center?”; “Is it possible to live in Sharjah & work in Dubai?” or “Is the public transport service dependable if I don’t buy a car within the first year of migration?”; “Is it practical to pack my household appliance or buy them there?” etc.

    Please read some very practical (including visa, employment, legal formalities) information on Hijrah to UAE & Saudi & Malaysia on the following:
    http://muslimexpat.wordpress.com/
    http://desertdiaries.wordpress.com/
    http://www.hijra.net/
    http://suhaa.myminaret.com/category/hijrah/

    Jessica
    Alhumdullilah, that was, without exaggeration, the description of the place I live in.

    Abu Rumaysah & LearningArabic
    As I explained above, this was not an advocation of hijrah to Dubai. Rather, it was about our ‘lens’ in context of hijrah stories of two families. You are correct that the place of hijrah needs to fulfil certain conditions. WaAllahuAlim, if Dubai fulfils those. Both families who moved to Dubai initially, shifted to other cities within the same country after a while. The other cities are, alhumdullilah, quite good.

    al-Madarsi
    “picked up by police for praying or beard?”
    That is absolutely incorrect! Alhumdullilah.

    bro Ali Shehata
    JazakAllahkhair. You’ve stated the validity & weight of the injunction of Hijrah better than me.
    I especially refer to your point, “to live in Muslim lands where they would be majorities and not as minorities in non-Muslim lands.”
    Whether we realize it or not, a minority status of any community affects the collective psychology of its members in general & weak members in particular.

    UmmAbdullah & Adam Shabber
    JazakAllahkhair for sharing your experience & hopefully inspiring others inshaAllah.

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43. 

    Ibn Masood

    November 27, 2008 at 9:48 AM

    Assalamualaikum

    JazakAllah khair for the amazing article and comments. Much appreciated :). It’s good to get an article on this issue from time to time.

    I too think that too many brothers and sisters think that Muslim countries should be (or are for those who are wishing to do the hijrah) the most pristine Islamic states ever. But that’s being too idealistic, the fitnah does not only exist in non-Muslim countries but also in Muslim countries. I made a decision a few months ago (having lived in both places) that I’d rather face the ‘hidden’ fitnah of some Muslim countries, as opposed to the open environment of Non-Muslim countries. And I have nothing against those brothers and sisters who choose to stay in non-Muslim countries because frankly, I see their point even though I don’t agree with it.

    And it’s hard, but hey, a test is a test. :)

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44. 

    Abû Mûsâ Al-Ḥabashî

    November 27, 2008 at 10:11 AM

    I think Hijrah to escape fitnah for more islamic environments is silly – it’s no better overseas (and many times worse) than in the west.

    With all due respect, this is a ridiculous and false sweeping generalization.

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45. 

    Mezba

    November 27, 2008 at 10:43 AM

    I think brothers and sisters should read on Hazrat Abu Dharr Ghifari (r ). He was a Sahabi who became dismayed at what he termed corruption of morality and too much wealth in Medina (during the time of Umar (r )) and emigrated to live in what he termed as a more sincere and Islamic environment.

    And of course nowadays’s Medina cannot hold a torch to Umar (r )’s Medina in terms of Islamic environment!

    So it’s all relative. And there is no right and wrong of emigration – ultimately it’s individual.

    Still – I find the naivety of some Muslims who go off to live in “Islamic” lands very frightening. Dubai is the lord of racism.

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    Islamist

    November 27, 2008 at 1:19 PM

    ”Still – I find the naivety of some Muslims who go off to live in “Islamic” lands very frightening. Dubai is the lord of racism.” Well bro mezba it may be that thre is racism but you shud see where it is more easier to practice deen. For me, the basis of hijrah shud be going to a place where i can become a bettr muslim,of course evrywhere there is fitnah but the fact that u can practice islam as it shud be without being seen differently or being critisied, this wud help a lot… Just imagine you lived next to the ka’ba, just the atmosfer is sufficient 2 increase ur taqwa…

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47. 

    Abu Akhhal

    November 28, 2008 at 12:18 AM

    As Salamalaikom Shaykh’s and Shakes,

    I am not much knowledgable but I think the article clearly spells it out, Dunya vs Aakhirah. The intention leads to an action that leads to satisfaction/dis-satisfaction based on your original intention.

    I lived in desi country for 26 years and am living here in US for 12 years now, I have seen the filth and the beauty in both countries. What matters to me the most is how strong my Eeman is in Allah SWT to appreciate the beauty in any land and fight the filth/fitn/faheeshat in any land. If we feel its geting harder-and-harder to be able to KEEP AWAY from evil then our heart will tell us we need to do “something” about moving from this land we are in at that moment in time. Like my parents always say when you have to decide between Dunya or Aakhirah, Always take the everlasting choice that might seems objectively tough, painful, foggy yet if Allah SWT is on your side, with you and you feel the connection every-day ( that only that individual can underdstand, and yes objectively) then their is no fear, doubts or pesimism. Just do it- (not promoting nike). Hijra will never end till the day of judgement. Lot of verses on Hijra preceed Jihad, I wonder why?

    Allahu Aalam,

    Abu Akhhal

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48. 

    J

    November 28, 2008 at 12:31 AM

    Just imagine you lived next to the ka’ba, just the atmosfer is sufficient 2 increase ur taqwa…

    It has been stated by more than one classical scholar that living next to the ka’abah has potential downfalls. The way the human being has been created, he gets ‘used to’ whatever is close to him. Whatever is close to the human being loses its significance and becomes mundane. In other words, he becomes ‘immune’ to it. So you will find that the man who has traversed long distances to reach the ka’abah will have more emotion when he reaches it than the one who lives right next to it.

    This is not only true with the ka’abah but really any place. Those people who live next to Disneyland barely ever go because it’s ‘same old, same old’ , whereas people from all over the world love to go to Disneyland.

    I believe one of the classical scholars who said something like this was Imam an-Nawawi, amongst others. Wallahu Aalim.

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49. 

    Abu Akhhal

    November 28, 2008 at 1:00 AM

    You live only once.
    Life is too short (long for me).
    and very busy in west, now in east too.
    West- Its easy to be happy but hard to stay simple.
    East- Its easy to stay simple but hard to be happy.

    So, lets mend our diferances and settle in Middle-east (or Mid-west) says what Shake Siraj and Sheykh Yasir?

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50. 

    miscellany101

    November 28, 2008 at 2:35 AM

    What a topic! Hijrah to wherever should be to increase your faith in God and your adherence to the Law and the spirit of the Law as embodied by Muhammad, pbuh. That can be done anywhere in the world! The concept of social justice is exemplified better in the US than in any other country at the moment. Arab countries are too full of tribalism and a clan mentality where citizenship is built on birth right and not loyalty to the rule of law as is found in North America. Sure there are individual moments of religious practice, such as going to the masjid or wearing the clothes of your choice, but compared to societies where the ruling class feels no obligation to honor, respect and treat equally its residents and rather makes distinctions between those from a certain family or clan and those not a “Muslim” would feel much more comfortable with the former, I would think, than the latter. There’s a reason Islam has flourished in the West and particularly the North American continent and why violence and corruption has wrecked the traditional Muslim world. I just hope those Muslims coming from the latter don’t infect Islam found in the West with the same disease which they suffer from back home.

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51. 

    Islamist

    November 28, 2008 at 6:31 AM

    To J, well i dnt really thnk i would get bored or lose any enthusiasm if i lived nxt to the ka,bah. Its a sacred place, where u feel somethng different, another kind of feeling. Just imagine u do ur 5 prayers in al-haraam, u see the ka’bah 5 times daily.. Its extraordinary n personally i wud never get bored of just a place. I can get bored of evrythng but not at looking at the ka’bah and living in its surroundings!

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53. 

    May

    November 30, 2008 at 11:58 AM

    In response to the comments here claiming that one feels like an outsider in Western countries, i will relate my own experiences:

    A few years ago I went back with my family to our home country during the summer. They were all shocked to find me wearing hijab, praying 5 times a day, and declining to shake hands with male cousins. I was different to them. In the streets my female cousins and I were cat-called, looked up and down and (almost) physically harassed by shopkeepers. Is this the great Islamic environment you speak of? This has never happened to me in the UK, not so much as a discrepectful look. Sure non-Muslims are often ignorant of my religious practices, but what excuse do I have for the Muslims in the ‘Muslim’ country? They were more preoccupied with watching music videos and getting their nails done. They had no intellectual capacity, and no deeper meaning to their lives.

    The issue of harassment of women is something that concerns me greatly. No one can deny that this is a HUGE problem in the Middle East. The majority of women in Egypy admit to being harassed on a daily basis. What good will that do to someone who has supposedly left to ‘protect their deen’. I can hear the athan, pray at the mosque, buy hijabs and eat halal food just as easily in Whitechapel, London, and at least here my sanity is intact.

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54. 

    talib

    November 30, 2008 at 2:45 PM

    sister may..you can hear the athan from your home…?

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55. 

    May

    November 30, 2008 at 4:14 PM

    The East London mosque gives out athaan out loud.

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56. 

    abu abdAllah, the Houstonian

    November 30, 2008 at 7:42 PM

    bismillah. mashaAllah, they do the adhan outdoors, no mikes, in Arlington, Texas, too. and there are Muslims whose homes are nearby the masjid so that they hear the adhan.

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57. 

    Adam Shabber

    December 1, 2008 at 1:02 AM

    Assalamalakum,

    It was mashallah excellent of sister Bint Imam to introducing her article with the idea of the lens, which I feel most of us have not really thought about. for example my lens is not the lens of what I feel paradise on earth should be, as some of us are looking through.

    What is the description of my lens?

    My description is what I saw of certain examples in my life, in general terms when I was in University I saw two types of Muslims coming from the Muslim lands to study.

    1. This type was finally free and could indulge in all their desires without feeling the guilt of disgracing their families. There was no one to see them in this new Western land, where their desires where ignited at every turn with bill boards, revealing magazines and newspapers. They got very excited learning in the great educational institutes of the west or they got excited with the mixed education, any way they were excited.

    2. The second type of Muslims that came, humbled me, they had memorised Quran, they had learnt Arabic and understood hadith and fiqh, they married before they came and bought their wives, they not only were successful in their studies but also were leading in the local dawa.

    I wanted to know how two types of Muslims came from the same Muslim country but were so different, so I wanted from my children the environment the 2nd type of Muslims were bought up in.

    From my basic research this environment DOES NOT EXIST in the western countries, if it does someone please let me know.

    I found this type of environment only in Muslim countries, so far UAE, Saudi and Egypt and to some extent Pakistan. I have not been to other countries so I can not comment on them.

    The environment I am referring to is where the 2nd type of Muslim lives, for example let me describe one such place:

    1. Special ladies only parks and walkways – Sisters go out to walk at midnight and ealry morning without fear
    2. The norm is niqab, not just hijab but niqab
    3. No pubs, no night clubs
    4. Adhan out loud for every salat. – (from my last visit to the UK East London Mosque does not give adhan for Fajir, it might just wake up a few non-Muslims – we wouldn’t want that would we now)
    5. Breads are normal even for the youth
    6. Imam’s that are tested for their tajweed, recitation before they can lead the prayer and teach
    7. Quran schools for children
    8. Adults can easily find brothers / sisters to teach Quran and Arabic
    9. Safe and security – your children can actually play outside
    10. No need for car alarms or making your house into fort nox
    11. No indecent bill boards or advertising

    Remember you are making hijr to a place that us limited humans can digest, we are not making hijr to countries or cities, how many people live in the US and UK and never stepped out side their area? How many have gone to Dubai and never left the comfort of the area around their hotel? – and then gone back and say Dubai is just like London or New York. – Yes it is if you limit yourself – Allah(swt)’s earth is vast.

    One thing I do not understand from the western Muslims including myself, is that we see the non-Muslims and Muslims will move from one area in their country to anotther so they can be closer to good schools, but do we see Muslims making hijr within their country to build good strong Muslim communities? or rather we see Muslims building great Pakistani, Somalian, Morrocon, etc communities.

    One point I would like to add is that I made hijr because of my children, I wanted them to be like the 2nd type of Muslim, for myself I would have stayed in the UK only becuase I wanted the reward for working in the dawa, because I had grown up as a non-practicing Muslim so enjoyed the freedom to follow my desires, i.e. been there done it, but now I wanted Jannah, I started practicing Islam with all the kufr around me, it made me raise my defences, and Allah(swt) made me firm, but I know, what I was like as a male youth, and after knowing and experiencing it, do I really want that for my sons? – Can I really stand infront of Allah(swt) and say I didn’t know what the youth get up to in the UK?

    Guidance is with Allah(swt) all we have to do is prepare our children in the best way – that is what YOU ALL have to deciede where is that best way. Remember the outcome you want – look for examples, we have had mashallah great examples in our life times, like, Sh bin Baz(ra), Sh Uthameen(ra), and many others – as it stands now, the likes of these scholars will not appear in the west. – even if your children become students of scholars like these – that would be awesome.- and one of the most important things everyone is missing here is not how much knowledge these scholars have but it is how they live their daily lives, their adhab, you need to live in and around them to get a taste of the barakah they have.

    Ask yourself a simple question – if the scholars are the successors of the Prophet(saw) and if you were alive at the time of the Prophet(saw) why are you one of the ones hearing about the Prophet(saw) but still nice and cosy in your house in bahrain (east side of Arabia) and did not decide or try to move to live in Medianh next to the Prophet(saw). -Now think of one of the successors of the Prophet(saw), alive today you would like to live near then make it happen. – if you want to move closer to Sh Yasir then make it happen :)..

    walakum as salam

    Jazakallahu khair

    Adam Shabber.

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58. 

    unknown

    December 1, 2008 at 5:38 AM

    Assalamualikum,well in the emirates…..not Dubai but alhamdulillah Sharjah(where i reside) is an excellent city which allows you to practise your deen….there are atleast 2 masjids in every street…almost every masjid has halaqaz for memorisation of quraan for free…both in the morning and evening…for men, women and children….there are friday khutbaz in urdu and in english…..by sheikhs graduated from madinah university…sisters wearing hijaab are highly respected…both by muslims and non muslims.. there are malls that dont play music…and have the supplication to be read for markets higlighted at the entrance…..may Allah (swt) reward the shaikh ruling this country….and protect this country.

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59. 

    Abû Mûsâ Al-Ḥabashî

    December 1, 2008 at 1:11 PM

    BaarakAllaah feekum Adam. It’s really nice to get a balanced comment as opposed to the usual nitpicking (e.g. racism exists in a certain Muslim country therefore forget all the other good and lack of evil that exists there) or sweeping generalizations (e.g. a certain evil exists in a certain area within a Muslim country and therefore the whole of the Muslim World is bad, or at least worst than the West). People who have a Utopian vision of the Muslim World, nay, of Makkah and Madeenah, are wrong, but the fact that those cities/countries are not Utopia does not in of itself mean that they are not better for you and your family than non-Muslim countries (and I say that while recognizing all of the good that exists here).

    Regarding those brothers who come from overseas and indulge in their desires, in my experience a lot of them return to being religious after a while. And even for those who don’t, they still recognize that they’re sinful and fully intend to make tawbah later on, moreso than the natives who are like that.

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60. 

    shahgl

    December 1, 2008 at 11:39 PM

    Assalamu alaikum,

    My husband went to Dubai about 15 years ago, and his story was that ‘women’ kept knocking on the hotel room all night to offer services. I have not seen that happen in Houston yet. If it happens, I will consider Duabi for Hijra.

    My Hijra was from Pakistan to the US.
    I remember, in Pakistan, I had to ‘pay’ 5000 rupees just to get my car registration. The Pakistani passport was another some thousand rupees. My mother used to have an annual marathon with the tax people. They would assess 30,000 rupees for property tax on our home, or she could pay about 10,000 to the assessor, and he would assess it at a lesser value. She refused to pay him up and had to fight her case all year, every year.

    In Pakistan we were involved in all kinds of fitna that came with culture. In the US I had an opportunity to meet ‘real’ Muslims. I realized that I had been a Muslim in name only. I took my shahadah again. I never want to go back to Pakistan again.

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61. 

    muslim

    December 2, 2008 at 12:33 PM

    shahgl, i understand where your coming from. moving from a desi country to the west is a huge change and for the better but its not the same if you move from a muslim country to the west.

    “I have not seen that happen in Houston yet. “- i am yet to see couples making out or gays in dubai.

    “In the US I had an opportunity to meet ‘real’ Muslims”- ouch. its not for us to judge whose a “real muslim”, let’s leave that for Allah shall we?

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62. 

    shahgl

    December 4, 2008 at 1:22 AM

    Muslim said:
    “In the US I had an opportunity to meet ‘real’ Muslims”- ouch. its not for us to judge whose a “real muslim”, let’s leave that for Allah shall we?”

    I leave that to Allah. It is, though, acceptable to praise your brother’s good iman, good practice, good ikhlaq.
    When I came to the US, I was befriended by African American Muslims. Getting to know African American Muslims was a big eye opener for me. Their belief and practice was so pure, so earnest, I was humbled. I was forced to acknowledge I was a fake Muslim and they were for real. It was African American Muslims who tweaked my love for Islamic knowledge. It was they who inspired me to strive for an Islamic way of life, just like they were. It was they who shed light on what monotheism really was.
    How can I not call them ‘real’ Muslims? I suggest if anyone is having an Iman problem, go sit with AA brothers, and feel the freshness of their Iman.

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63. 

    Muslim4life

    December 7, 2008 at 7:24 AM

    I have been living in middle east (KSA & UAE-DUBA) for around 10 years, and Alhamdulillah the environment is much better than it is in the west. Last time I saw someone drunk was in US. There are religious activities but you have to be living in those neighborhoods, as we have a lot of non muslim expatriates over here, and if your living amongst them and ask for an Islamic environement, not possible.

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64. 

    Algebra

    December 7, 2008 at 1:05 PM

    Aslamu-alaikum;
    I also stayed in DUBAI at one time it was in RAMADAN and i ABSOLUTELY LOVED it.
    it definitely is a wonderful experience.
    salam

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65. 

    khawla

    December 11, 2008 at 4:16 PM

    Anyone interested to hook up on Hijrah group from all over the Muslims world may join this group on Muhaajir at yahoogroups.com
    There are tonnes of info and logistics about paperworks, jobs, housing, schooling or transportation provided by it’s members.

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66. 

    Muhejir

    December 26, 2008 at 12:33 AM

    To avoid the hihgly unnecessary and unproductive..” I think.. I feel ..I believe” attitude some have expressed here, we need to remember ourselves who we are sacrificing all the niceties presently around us for. Check out Awlali’s serious talk. Islam is for theserious minded and its not a fun ride

    http://www.anwar-alawlaki.com/2008/09/22/hijra-for-the-sake-of-allah/

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67. 

    Outcast

    January 19, 2010 at 8:35 AM

    Everything we do is based on intentions, so you will be rewarded accordingly and according to his statement “he admits, that the glitz & glamour of Dubai got them side-tracked – for a while.” explains a whole lot about so many Muslims who choose either Saudi or Dubai (rich countries) as the only hijrah destination, when there are so many other Muslim countries one can make hijrah to.

    Another issue I would like to address is when someone chooses to make hijrah, they should at least do a bit of research first. Hijrah is a very big and important decision and should be handled with care, so that we don’t get disappointed, when all we needed to do was research.

    Imani A.
    Muslimsrus.wordpress.com

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68. 

    Oum fulan

    November 1, 2015 at 2:50 PM

    As salam’aleykoum

    could you give us the name of the emirate ‘s brother mentioned in his testimony ? one in which he ‘s gone after dubai ?

    BarrakAllahoufiki

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69. 

    AbdulWahid

    December 28, 2016 at 7:44 AM

    Subhanallah, I sit here in the west lol in 2016, actually two days to 2017. I am amazed at how time flies. These responses that were done in 2008 and in this day and age are upto date in most cases and you can see why hijrah wont stop until the day of Judgement. I myself tried to do hijrah twice to Kenya. I came back to the west in a bid to try again but this time humbled at the fact that it will take a lot of time unless Allah wills. From what I have seen in my personal life in the West, it is enough to know that Hijrah is mandatory upon me. In fact now that the socalled west is out to attack islam and muslims directly its even more poignant. I have seen brothers beg for prayers doing slavery type of work. I have seen how hard it is to find a job as a muslim and how hard it is to keep a job especially since the first time you need to go for wudhu and pray, the kaafir is automatically displeased. I have seen all of this. And of course this article is really correct in that everything is not the same for everyone. I have seen that the pleases that Muslims are majority and that you can hear lectures and adhan out loud sometimes has a lot of fitnah perhaps on some levels even more fitnah than the west but just being in an environment where your identity as a muslim is not questioned is to me worthy of hijrah to lands of the muslims. My only exception is if in some rural areas there is sufi dominance and that the only islam that people know is sufi grave worship then, it is completely different then. Also the brother Adam raised beautiful advices for muslims in that they should work hard and get organized and be a jamacah not only in the masjid but also in all areas of life.

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