US to Invade Pakistan?

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1. 

   Hassan

   August 5, 2007 at 3:50 PM

   Hmm..

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2. 

   Gambino

   August 5, 2007 at 5:34 PM

   salaam aleikum,

   It would be remiss unless u remember to give a shout out to this link here:

   Absurdity of Muslims for Obama

   salaam aleikum,
   G

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3. 

   Umm Layth

   August 5, 2007 at 6:17 PM

   wa `alaykum as salaam

   Who is there left? He seemed like the best candidate, but now? I mean the only ones that seem like they have a chance were Obama and Clinton. But Clinton is a war monger, follower of her hawaa – a woman of evil.

   So who? subhaanallah

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4. 

   Jaaaved

   August 5, 2007 at 6:20 PM

   When I first read what Obama said, I was really, really surprised, as in, “This is the only dude I’m considering voting for?” I think he needs to clarify exactly what he means by ‘strikes.’ If he means ‘do the same thing we did in Afghanistan’ like carelessly carpet-bomb the place, then God help us and instill a better sense of ethics to Washington. But if Obama meant that he just wants troops to hunt down bin Laden, then it’s not such a bad idea. I mean the fool is either dead or in Pakistan; if either is confirmed, then the whole basis for invading countries is gone and politicians in DC won’t have any more excuses for breaching peace pacts Muslim countries.

   Then, again, this could just be a ploy for Obama to win some of the conservative voters over.

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5. 

   Jaaaved

   August 5, 2007 at 6:24 PM

   Look into Ron Paul, though there’s no way in hell white Americans are about to vote for someone anti-hawkish like him

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6. 

   Moiez

   August 5, 2007 at 10:41 PM

   The Green Party!!

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7. 

   abu ameerah

   August 6, 2007 at 12:25 AM

   Ideological differences aside. I think both Obama and Tom Tancredo should do lunch. They could discuss ways of being “tough” in the “war on terror” …

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8. 

   Abu Mus'ab

   August 6, 2007 at 12:57 AM

   Correct me if I’m wrong; but, it seems that the American foreign policy has very little connection with who’s sitting in the White House.

   I mean, Bush & Co. are imbecilic for sure but if it were someone else, would it change:

   – 60 years of unconditional American support for Israel
   – War mongering in the Muslims lands
   – Using covert tactics to undermine legit Muslim governments (considering if there are any left)

   You could write loads of articles about how politics is such a messy business but I think a picture is worth a thousand words and a movie is even better! :)

   After watching Syriana, which could as well be documentary, I’m just beginning to realize what politics is and how it’s really not something decent people can influence without getting tainted themselves. Even if it is a little bit.

   May Allah restore the dignity of the Muslims.

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9. 

   Sakib

   August 6, 2007 at 2:03 AM

   i think people arent looking at the broader context of his speech, i saw the whole speech and read the whole transcript, what he said was that he would only strike red alert targets, meaning places where they have heavy intelligence that terrorists are hiding, and an airstrike would naturally be a last response if the pakistani army could not handle the job, also he never actually used the term ‘invade’ in its assumed context, and he specifically meant the border region between afghanistan and pakistan.

   i was a full-time obama supporter in the past, this speech didnt make me think twice about voting for him, but it did make me lose a litle faith in the system…
   i thought about it for a while and realized, were only given a few choices, you either make the best of what u have or dont complain because you didnt participate,

   its funny tho, after obama said that about Pakistan, all the other candidates started saying the same thing, so just keep in mind that until they actually get elected, their just trying to tell u what they think the majority will like, this incident has still not deterred me from supporting obama, i still support him and think he will make a better leader, a better statesman, and a better diplomat than any of the other mainstream candidates,

   Sakib

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10. 

    Umm Layth

    August 6, 2007 at 2:14 AM

    He is the best candidate. He holds himself pretty well. I admit that I didn’t even listen to the entire speech, and I just followed along with the crowd, but like you said – he is still the best choice. The ‘what if’s’ are still scary though. But I think he is actually the sanest and the most real. May Allah help us.

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11. 

    American Muslim

    August 6, 2007 at 2:33 AM

    “…We are especially concerned with affairs of Muslims in the West. …”

    Strange that the highest number of posts on this site seems to always be about pakistan…?

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12. 

    nuqtah

    August 6, 2007 at 3:15 AM

    Strange you haven’t looked through all posts.

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13. 

    Shama

    August 6, 2007 at 4:37 AM

    “Verily I was eaten the day the white bull was eaten!”

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15. 

    Muslim

    August 6, 2007 at 11:03 AM

    I am not surprised at all. Why are people expecting this non-Muslim to be our savior?

    “Never will the Jews, nor the Christians be pleased with you till you follow their religion…”

    I feel sorry for the Muslims who are actually going to vote and have blood on their hands when the next leader attacks the Muslims.

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16. 

    Amad

    August 6, 2007 at 11:27 AM

    Strange that the highest number of posts on this site seems to always be about pakistan…?

    Really? I searched for Pakistan (using the search button on the top left) and came up with a total of 10 posts, with 3 being directly about issues in Pakistan. If 3 out of 300+ posts is the “highest” number, then I think a Math refresher course would be recommended :)

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17. 

    Amad

    August 6, 2007 at 11:33 AM

    I feel sorry for the Muslims who are actually going to vote and have blood on their hands when the next leader attacks the Muslims.

    That is indeed a big leap and an unjustified accusation. I am sure many people voted for Musharraf, so this doesn’t mean that they have the Lal Masjid’s blood on their hands as well. We have to be careful about keeping things in their place and not jumping to extreme conclusions.

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18. 

    Muslim

    August 6, 2007 at 11:43 AM

    Amad if you’re going to vote for Obama after him saying what he said. Then he wins and he does kill Muslims, then you think you are innocent?

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19. 

    Solomon2

    August 6, 2007 at 12:53 PM

    Using covert tactics to undermine legit Muslim governments (considering if there are any left)

    There’s an interesting question: what ARE the “legit Muslim governments”?

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20. 

    Hassan

    August 6, 2007 at 1:47 PM

    Yeah Solomon2 is right, what would constitute a legit Muslim government? I think muslim countries can have islamic democracy like Israel has Jewish democracy, that would be reasonable balance.

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21. 

    Jaaaved

    August 6, 2007 at 4:49 PM

    Hey, when it appears that all the candidates plan to incorporate foreign policies that aren’t agreeable with Muslims abroad, then it’s our duty as Muslims to support and vote for the least hawkish candidate. If you sit around and do nothing and some white war hawk takes the presidency, then you have more blood on your hands than anybody else because you refused to bring a less blood-lustful person into office.

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22. 

    Muslim

    August 6, 2007 at 8:00 PM

    “Hey, when it appears that all the candidates plan to incorporate foreign policies that aren’t agreeable with Muslims abroad, then it’s our duty as Muslims to support and vote for the least hawkish candidate. If you sit around and do nothing and some white war hawk takes the presidency, then you have more blood on your hands than anybody else because you refused to bring a less blood-lustful person into office.”

    Don’t be so deluded by what the US media spoonfeeds you. This US democracy does not really give you a chance to make a ‘difference’ and change the world though your vote. If Bush wasn’t in power would there still be a war in Iraq? It does’nt take a genius to figure that one out. Whatever kafir you vote for, you’ll get what you voted for, a kafir.

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23. 

    Pleiades

    August 6, 2007 at 11:03 PM

    “Don’t be so deluded by what the US media spoonfeeds you. This US democracy does not really give you a chance to make a ‘difference’ and change the world though your vote. If Bush wasn’t in power would there still be a war in Iraq? It does’nt take a genius to figure that one out. Whatever kafir you vote for, you’ll get what you voted for, a kafir.”

    Though our votes for the president don’t always have a great effect since our electoral college can basically disregard them, there is still some merit in trying to do the right thing and vote for someone who, even if they aren’t perfect, at least won’t be as bad as others (and could at least be good for us in domestic policy matters).

    I actually do believe that we wouldn’t be in Iraq right now if Bush hadn’t been elected. The president is the one who appoints the cabinet and the bureaucracy, who are the makers of much of our foreign policy; if he hadn’t been there, surrounded with all those other pro-war officials, I doubt we would be in the current situation in Iraq.

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24. 

    Amad

    August 6, 2007 at 11:29 PM

    Whatever kafir you vote for, you’ll get what you voted for, a kafir.

    Yes, of course, just like the “kafir” that you work for and get paid for… just like the “kafirs” whose school you use to study… just like the “kafirs” who built this country and that you now enjoy.

    Your despise of the “kafirs” is somewhat hypocritical, isn’t it then? And it is obvious that you haven’t read any of the posts that relate to wala’ wal bara and living in the West, otherwise you may have learned to appreciate the good and condemn the evil. And yes, I don’t think that Gore would have taken the country into Iraq. Of course, we believe that it happened because it was written down this way, but we can all learn from our mistakes… well all except people who are busy just chattering away and not doing anything…

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25. 

    AnonyMouse

    August 7, 2007 at 1:35 AM

    Al-Hamdulillaah for being Canadian!!!!!!
    (Although, come to think of it, it doesn’t really cout for much… oh well.)

    However, this is part of the reason that I’ve lost my confidence in politicians and politics, and decided that the only really worthwhile thing for us Muslims here in the West to do is community activism and raising awareness of issues.
    For all the rallies, campaigns, and protests that are organized – what really comes of them? Not much, from what I see…

    In any case, whoever ends up becoming the next American prez, may Allah protect us from whatever evil they’re going to try and inflict on us next!

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26. 

    Jaaaved

    August 7, 2007 at 4:05 AM

    “Don’t be so deluded by what the US media spoonfeeds you. This US democracy does not really give you a chance to make a ‘difference’ and change the world though your vote. If Bush wasn’t in power would there still be a war in Iraq? It does’nt take a genius to figure that one out. Whatever kafir you vote for, you’ll get what you voted for, a kafir.”

    Hey “Muslim,” do you live in this country? Everybody knows the federal government is nowhere near perfect or Islamic, but if you live here, it is your duty as a believer to support someone who will do less harm in the world than others, even if your vote doesn’t count. If you don’t vote to support the lesser evil, that means you do not care if more Muslims or people in general die than less.

    If you’re not going to study, at least read the Qur’an. You might learn something about ethics.

    And if you don’t live in this country, maybe you live in a Muslim one. Maybe you should support your local leaders who aren’t kafirs. Like Hosni Mubarak. Like Bashar al-Assad. Like Mahmoud Ahmedinejad. Like Pervez Musharraf. Like Khaleda Zia. Because they don’t kill Muslims. Right?

    If you’re not going to study, at least read the history of your government. Then read the Qur’an. You might find out that assassinations, kidnappings, creating enmity between people, and stealing money are forbidden in Islam.

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27. 

    aarij

    August 7, 2007 at 9:55 AM

    I’m thinking that perhaps an attack on the FATA areas in Pakistan and maybe even some other parts NWFP might unite the Muslims in Pakistan. I don’t know, but maybe the US attacking every Muslim country it can think of is not necessarily a bad thing. Perhaps its the only way to unite an otherwise disunited nation? “Laaton kay bhoot baaton say nahin maantay” :)

    Now if only our Saudi and Egyptian friends can stop buying $16 billion worth of weapons from their “allies”, then maybe we’ll make some long-term progress as an ummah.

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28. 

    Muslim

    August 7, 2007 at 8:40 PM

    Amad:
    “Yes, of course, just like the “kafir” that you work for and get paid for… just like the “kafirs” whose school you use to study… just like the “kafirs” who built this country and that you now enjoy.”
    I am not sure if the term kafir offended you or something. But my point still remains.

    Does any one else find it pathetic that we are debating which leader will rape us less so that we can vote for them? It’s time we set some higher goals for ourselves. Sure Amad, a blog on the internet is good, a trip to a convention every year is wonderful. But don’t you have this burning desire to make this Ummah better for generations to come? Trust me, closely following politics and all the gossip of which candidate said what is not the way to do it.
    “Indeed Allah will not change the state of people, until they change what is in themselves…”

    As for the comments by Jaaaved,
    “If you’re not going to study, at least read the Qur’an.”

    “If you’re not going to study, at least read the history of your government. Then read the Qur’an.”
    I am a little concerned that you make the Qur’an seem as something of a last resort. As Muslims we should constantly be reading and remembering the Qur’an for guidance.

    And Allah knows best

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29. 

    Amad

    August 7, 2007 at 11:17 PM

    Muslim:

    But don’t you have this burning desire to make this Ummah better for generations to come?

    Enlighten us, O great one.

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30. 

    Sakib

    August 8, 2007 at 12:12 AM

    ive dealt with my share of pessimists, and believe me, other than telling the optimists how wrong we are and that our voices are useless they have no other answer, in this case the brother Muslim is not providing us an answer only downing our hopefulness.

    “There will always be dissident voices heard in the land, expressing opposition without alternatives, finding fault but never favor, perceiving gloom on every side and seeking influence without responsibility” – John F. Kennedy

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31. 

    abu ameerah

    August 8, 2007 at 1:08 AM

    I am all for Muslims having a “voice” in this country … but I think we’ve just gone about it the wrong way — particularly when it comes to politics.

    As an ummah, it is unfortunate that we simply don’t understand the ramifications of how divisive politics (especially at the party and national level) can be.

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32. 

    Jaaaved

    August 8, 2007 at 2:35 AM

    “I am a little concerned that you make the Qur’an seem as something of a last resort. As Muslims we should constantly be reading and remembering the Qur’an for guidance.”

    Sorry ‘Muslim’, we aren’t even on the same page. When you say stuff like, “Does any one else find it pathetic that we are debating which leader will rape us less so that we can vote for them?” I wonder if you have heard of ‘responsibility.’ If 30 people are about to die or 60 people are about to die, it is your obligation as a Muslim to make sure that the least amount of lives possible are lost if there’s nothing else you can do about it. Of course, your vote alone won’t mean anything, especially with our corrupt federal government, but that is the least you can do: at least try and stop greater tyranny.

    But you might have some other ways we can end bloodshed other than political means. Explain, ‘Muslim.”

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34. 

    Ahmad AlFarsi

    August 8, 2007 at 11:10 AM

    Assalaamu alaykum,

    It seems there are one of two mentalities here:

    Mentality #1: If you do not vote, you will have blood on your hands for not picking the lesser of multiple evils.

    Mentality #2: If you do vote, you will have blood on your hands for the evil of the candidate you voted for (if he wins).

    Allow me to precedent my comment with a very important caveat. That is that, although many Muslims in this country may vote, we must always remember that the democratic system this country runs by is not an Islamically legitimate system. So if one does choose to vote, he must NEVER be feeling that he is endorsing the system by his vote, as endorsing any legal system other than the shari’ah puts one in a very dangerous place, Islamically speaking.

    That being said, I disagree with the mentality that we MUST always choose the lesser of the multiple evils. In many countries, people actually campaign to try to get people to not vote at all, in hopes of delegitimizing the election and, consequently, the elected official. I personally don’t think this is a bad idea at all… especially if we can expect similar results no matter who is elected (as Br. Abu Mus’ab pointed out above). Even though there may not be many who would agree with such a course of action, I think morally, it would make a strong statement to not vote at all, in order to show our complete disapproval towards the options available to us.

    Just my two cents.

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35. 

    Solomon2

    August 8, 2007 at 4:39 PM

    I’m still fascinated by the idea of figuring out what can be a legitimate Muslim government. We can “sift” them pretty quickly, by comparing current government practices to the Koran, right? For example, as far as I’m aware, the Koran demands protection of every dhimmi that pays a special tax, amount unspecified. If a government has a policy, official or unofficial, of denying this, that makes it un-Islamic, right?

    So any country that expels or drives out its Jewish population instead of permitting them to pay up is automatically un-Islamic. That leaves Morocco, Tunisia, Iran, Syria, Tajikistan, and Yemen as the only candidates with Muslim-majority populations.

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36. 

    Amad

    August 8, 2007 at 6:48 PM

    Solomon2, we are not ignoring you… just that this matter is so theoretical for most Muslims (almost academic right now) that a lot of us may not be able to fully justify our answers… I hope someone will be able to relay good information though.

    My 2 cents are that Muslims pay Zakat to the treasury in an Islamic state, while non-Muslims don’t have to, neither do non-Muslims have to serve in that country’s army. So, their “contribution” to their country’s operation is the jizya. Again, this is a layman’s info… may Allah forgive me if I messed up… anyone can feel free to correct.

    thx

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37. 

    Hassan

    August 8, 2007 at 7:33 PM

    Amad, I do not think Solomon2 meant to deny this, he was saying that people of book should be allowed to live when they pay jizya and not kick Christians and jews out. Well I know in Pakistan there is no jizya whatsoever, and christians live there, there are no jewish citizens of Pakistan. So he was saying any country that deny them to live even if they pay jizya is doing un-islamic thing.

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38. 

    Ahmad AlFarsi

    August 8, 2007 at 8:18 PM

    As I understand, the Arabian Peninsula takes a separate ruling from the rest of the Islamic world, in that only Muslims should be allowed to live in the Arabian Peninsula. I believe there is a hadeeth about this.

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39. 

    Abu Mus'ab

    August 9, 2007 at 3:51 AM

    Please note that I said legit Muslim governments and not legit Islamic ones. There is a huge difference between the two.

    A country, who’s government has Muslim officials running the affairs of the nation may be a Muslim govt. But that doesn’t necessarily make it Islamic. It’s just like all actions of Muslims aren’t necessarily Islamic.

    When we’re talking of truly Islamic govts, then there aren’t any. Partially Islamic? Maybe.

    Here’s a good answer on the responsibilities of a Muslim leader. It should give you some insight in to the true workings of an Islamic nation.

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40. 

    DrM

    August 11, 2007 at 5:38 AM

    This is a good kick in the rear for the Muslim “Obamites.” Given the “diversity” of the candidates, I’m not going to bother voting for another crook to come to power.
    Oh, and don’t bother with the solomon2 troll, he’s a supporter of zionist terrorism, and has yet to make a single intelligent statement.

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41. 

    ibnabeeomar

    August 13, 2007 at 4:52 PM

    was obama misrepresented??
    http://muslimmedianetwork.com/mmn/?p=1249

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44. 

    Ilyas khan baloch

    May 3, 2008 at 9:46 AM

    Dear Sir/Madam,
    Patriotic way, to prevail “Democracy in Pakistan”…?

    Democracy as a system of governance and interest representation demands respect for dissent and opposition. It recognizes the principle of majority rule and guarantees protection of minorities. Democracy also builds faith in electoral contestation to gain public office and gives legitimacy to political parties as primary instruments for acquisition and transfer of power from one set of individuals to another. Democracy teaches us equality, tolerance and justice without any discrimination to establish welfare society based on peace, progress and prosperity.

    Therefore, it is essential to denounce the killing of innocent people in Pakistan, since it look excellent and compassionate but are we really feel sorry for that killing of innocent people ? if it is so, then we must eliminate the route cause of suicide killing and other hatred, being a democratic Islamic country and people, we must think in the light of teaching of our prophet (PBH) because killing for killing and bloodshed of innocent people, due to one pretext or other can never gives flowers in return, peace cannot prevail in this circumstances we must adopt democratic ways and means to settle the differences with who so ever they may be.

    In reality, factual reason behind this hate is not born by us, but borrowed by us for the sake of US pleasure “Aa bel muje mar”. Because, those who were supported, financed, equip and trained by the USA and its allies, and who fight in the name of freedom of Afghanistan from occupied forces, were not aware about the truth behind their fighting, their fighting, was to protect the interest of USA, they were fighting a war of USA against USSR, for the political gain of USA (petrol resources around the Afghanistan and get easy excess for ,Iran, china) and when they realise their national interest was going to be robed, they dare to refuse, what kind of robbery was that is mentioned in the recently release book by the France authors.

    “ French authors Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquie recently published a book entitled Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth which tells of the negotiations for oil pipeline rights in Afghanistan that collapsed in August 2001 after the U.S. told the Taliban: Accept our offer of a carpet of gold or you’ll get a carpet of bombs.”

    Despite the fact that, “Bush administration was expecting from Taliban, to cooperate with their plans for exploiting the oil resources of Central Asia. US were sure until August, that the Taliban, as a source of stability in Central Asia, would enable the construction of an oil pipeline across Central Asia.” But, all of a sudden a trusted partner of USA, turn in to so-called terrorist?
    But fortunately, the Taliban realize that their national interest was going to be robed by USA; they dare to refuse, to accept US conditions for their support in exploitation of oil resources from central Asia.

    As a last hope in the talks between the Bush, administration and the Taliban which began in February 2001, shortly after Bush’s inauguration. A Taliban emissary arrived in Washington in March with presents for the new chief executive, (an expensive Afghan carpet). But the talks themselves were less than cordial. Brisard said; “At one moment during the negotiations, the US representatives told the Taliban, ‘either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs’.”

    USA and its allies attack the Afghanistan under the immediate aftermath of September 11, there were press reports—against, largely overseas protest and hiding the factual reality behind the attack on Afghanistan, they almost destroyed remaining infrastructure and killed thousands of innocent people, such as they attack the Iraq under wrong pretext of having the WMD and against the will of the world to capture the oil resources and acquire a place for their continuous presence in the middle east for their political gain. The United National has lost its credibility as neutral authority to intervene and protect the small and week nation against foreign aggression but instead ,UNO, proved as failed organization playing in the hands of the brutal power intimidating and capturing the countries, in order to grab their, resources such as OIL and to attain political influence, while killing their innocent people under one pretext or other in the name to “demoralized” them and to accept the terms and condition suitable for the occupier.

    At present they (US/NATO) are fighting their war of military/political interest in the region, involving the dependent country like Pakistan, under intimidation of sever consequences to bear, if refuse to support them; The current demand draft of 11 points, submitted by the so-called democratic imperialistic state of USA is a clear sign to a sovereign government of Islamic Republic of Pakistan to accept and obey as matter of master’s voice. This act is a kind of intimidation and direct involvement in the internal matter of a sovereign state. This act create a question as if we are really a sovereign state or part and partial of USA,

    Because, they want Pakistan to fight and kill his own people under one ploy or another, want to drag them in to the chaos and uncertainty, so that they can further impose more condition on the Pakistani Government to follow them, dip and dip until armed forces of Pakistan loose the trust of the Pakistani people and come openly to fight against his own people like they did in east -Pakistan, this is the movement they (USA) are waiting for, so that their, in time financial help to the traitor can play the role to disintegrate the strength of the nuclear country.
    This is a moment invite us all for serious consideration weather to keep our independence in tact or bow down before this mighty evil, democratically bullying to accept the terms and condition of his interest, or in other words be ready to loose our independence for ever.
    How? a patriotic person can repeat, the past mistake for supporting the fight, for external political and regional gain instead, we have already paid to much price in the form of social unrest, ethnic conflicts, drug- addicting and arms problems through Pakistan, If, we have to survive as a Sovereign Islamic Nation, in this world with dignity and respect as a free nation, then we must adopt and adhere the following essential change immediately;

    • Decentralize the power on the basis of division to empower the people at grass route level without any delay.
    • Allow free, complete education with technical knowledge to every able citizen.
    • Establish research institute at divisional level to encourage the youth with god gifted skill to develop and those who are interested in research work in all field, it is necessary step towards self sufficiency in technology.
    • Provide guarantee for job opportunity to all man and women after education/technical training.
    • Rapid industrialization of small, medium and cottage industries be allowed at the divisional level with total protection to capitals and facilities to flourish.
    • A cooperative farming should be introduced at divisional level for large scale agriculture product and development of agro-industries.
    • Supply of controlled price utilities could only be possible if we follow the mass industrial and agriculture production
    • Provide separate working facilities for production and services to women, so that majority women force of 52% can join the force of national production/services.
    • Insurance coverage should be provided all working man/women along with complete medical treatment coverage.
    • Better residential facilities be provided to all
    • Export oriented foreign policy should be adopted and find markets for our excess products in the regional country surrounding us, and provide them market place for their excess products.

    The right way to reverence to Martyr is to eliminate the causes after the incidents. If we can redress the route cause after the suicide killing, we can save many lives in future. The only way out is the change of system, the route cause of all kind of grievances, the time is to empower the Pakistani at grass route level to eliminate the socio-political injustice and strengthen the unity within the society at large, and closing the door for outsiders or intruder to penetrate in our society because of social unrest.

    Pakistani people are left at distant from the corridor of power. As this policy is denial of right of Pakistani igniting the unrest within the society, let the people of Pakistan, to rule their country according to their aspiration and desire to build, which can provide equal opportunity to all without any discrimination for the establishment of welfare society. Only the society base on tolerance, equality and justice can be the real guarantee for the prosperous and strong Pakistan

    See http://www.idp.org.pk
    Ilyas khan Baloch
    Organizer Islamic democratic party

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45. 

    Ilyas khan baloch

    May 17, 2008 at 12:38 PM

    Dear Sir/Madam,
    Is USA our Friend or Master ?

    Since the creation of Pakistan our ruler have turn their faces toward a mighty democratic regime of USA who never proved a real friend of Pakistan, keeping Pakistan as backward state depending on USA and never encourage or help the country in becoming basic industrial state while providing debt in billions and supplying the readymade product in Pakistan, mean the Pakistan was developed as the market place for American products, and an instrument to protect American interest in the region, which our ruler are doing with full loyalty but perhaps the master is not satisfy.

    Therefore, USA continues to influence our internal politics and dictating our leaders and institution as well. USA was supporting the feudal politician and weakening the institution, ignoring the real democracy in Pakistan.

    At present they (US/NATO) are fighting their war of military/political interest in the region, involving the dependent country like Pakistan, under intimidation of sever consequences to bear, if refuse to support them; The current demand draft of 11 points, submitted by the so-called democratic imperialistic state of USA is a clear sign to a sovereign government of Islamic Republic of Pakistan to accept and obey as matter of master’s voice. This act is a kind of intimidation and direct involvement in the internal matter of a sovereign state. This act create a question as if we are really a sovereign state or part and partial of USA, Because, they want Pakistan to fight and kill his own people under one ploy or another, want to drag them in to the chaos and uncertainty, so that they can further impose more condition on the Pakistani Government to follow them, dip and dip until armed forces of Pakistan loose the trust of the Pakistani people and come openly to fight against his own people like they did in east -Pakistan, this is the movement they (USA) are waiting for, so that their, in time financial help to the traitor can play the role to disintegrate the strength of the nuclear country.

    This is a moment invite us all for serious consideration weather to keep our independence in tact or bow down before this mighty evil, democratically bullying to accept the terms and condition of his interest, or in other words be ready to loose our independence for ever.
    This act create a question as if we are really a sovereign state or part and partial of USA,

    This is a moment invite us all for serious consideration weather to keep our independence in tact or bow down before this mighty evil, democratically bullying to accept the terms and condition of USA or in other words be ready to loose our independence for ever. Now a days there are so many elements within the country influenced by the mighty, to work for money and benefit even at the cost of our freedom.

    This moment in time invites serious concern of all patriotic forces and peace loving citizen in the country to think and start to join the rank and file before it is too late, for the protection of dignity, respect and sovereignty of this country, considering these demands as prior warning for the adverse events to happen.

    Ilyas khan Baloch
    Organizer Islamic Democratic party
    http://www.idp.org.pk

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    Alvin

    November 9, 2008 at 8:18 PM

    “In Allah We Trust”,Obama we do not trust.

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