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	<title>Comments on: â€œCivil Rightsâ€ Group ADL Backs Bigots &amp; Islamophobes Against Cordoba House â€œGround Zero Mosqueâ€</title>
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		<title>By: Dennis Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Dennis Walker,
donxaw@yahoo.com  

I am puzzled at Todd M&#039;s denunciation of Minister Louis Farrakhan as &quot;a kook [who] hates whitesâ€¦a goofball. Half of his followers think that there is some sort of spaceship that is going to beam them up and destroy white people!&quot;  Todd here alludes to Farrakhan&#039;s millenarianism, which is not &quot;oddball&quot; by American standards: about one in five Americans believes and prays that God must destroy other religions or races who don&#039;t think them or have different noses, by next week.  The idea that Irish people are in the possession of the Devil and that by blocking them from getting jobs one foils Satan, and that God will burn Catholics for eternity has shown considerable capacity to resist the advance of Reason in all Anglomorph countries.  It lingers  on.  Divine violence, Millenarianism, is as American as apple pie, although at variance with America&#039;s admirable liberal tradition. Muslims in America are currently facing quite a few such WASP fundamentalists in trying to get into corporate America.

Much U.S. public discourse about the Nation of Islam, Elijah Muhammad  and Farrakhan is racist  demonization, and sometimes calculated Goebels-like collages that lie by omission (eg. the ADL).  It was to focus the positive constructive aspects of the &quot;Black Muslims&quot; that I wrote my book _ISLAM AND THE SEARCH FOR AFRICAN-AMERICAN NATIONHOOD: Elijah Muhammad, Louis Farrakhan, and the Nation of Islam_ (Atlanta City: Clarity Press 2005).  In many ways the followers of Elijah and Farrakhan have used smokescreen attacks on whites as a psychological cover behind which they galvanise atomized, down-and-out African Americans to switch to the entrepreneurial, private enterprise drive of the rightist WASPs who have always been their covert model.    Elijah Muhammad and Farrakhan were as wary of big government and welfare aid from it to the poor as Todd M and the right wing of the Republican Party.  (It was, though,  the moral injunctions of the Qur&#039;an that enabled them to break the grip of drugs, alcohol and other vices had on the converts).

Farrakhan is as short of scruple and as skilled a manipulative politican as any other micro-nationalist leader in America, gentile or Jew (think hate-merchant Daniel Pipes).  But his media did give African-Americans in general elaborate techniques to build wealth for themselves through private enterpise and self-reliance, as all good Anglo-Saxons worth their salt have to do in America.  And these are good values for anyone to follow.

It was with the hope that it might ease blind ethnic hatreds among Americans, help at least a few Americans realize how like each other they are, and actually like each other, that I wrote my book _ISLAM AND THE SEARCH FOR AFRICAN-AMERICAN NATIONHOOD: Elijah Muhammad, Louis Farrakhan, and the Nation of Islam_ (Atlanta City: Clarity Press 2005).

Whites are welcome to join today&#039;s Nation of Islam!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Dennis Walker,<br />
<a href="mailto:donxaw@yahoo.com">donxaw@yahoo.com</a>  </p>
<p>I am puzzled at Todd M&#8217;s denunciation of Minister Louis Farrakhan as &#8220;a kook [who] hates whitesâ€¦a goofball. Half of his followers think that there is some sort of spaceship that is going to beam them up and destroy white people!&#8221;  Todd here alludes to Farrakhan&#8217;s millenarianism, which is not &#8220;oddball&#8221; by American standards: about one in five Americans believes and prays that God must destroy other religions or races who don&#8217;t think them or have different noses, by next week.  The idea that Irish people are in the possession of the Devil and that by blocking them from getting jobs one foils Satan, and that God will burn Catholics for eternity has shown considerable capacity to resist the advance of Reason in all Anglomorph countries.  It lingers  on.  Divine violence, Millenarianism, is as American as apple pie, although at variance with America&#8217;s admirable liberal tradition. Muslims in America are currently facing quite a few such WASP fundamentalists in trying to get into corporate America.</p>
<p>Much U.S. public discourse about the Nation of Islam, Elijah Muhammad  and Farrakhan is racist  demonization, and sometimes calculated Goebels-like collages that lie by omission (eg. the ADL).  It was to focus the positive constructive aspects of the &#8220;Black Muslims&#8221; that I wrote my book _ISLAM AND THE SEARCH FOR AFRICAN-AMERICAN NATIONHOOD: Elijah Muhammad, Louis Farrakhan, and the Nation of Islam_ (Atlanta City: Clarity Press 2005).  In many ways the followers of Elijah and Farrakhan have used smokescreen attacks on whites as a psychological cover behind which they galvanise atomized, down-and-out African Americans to switch to the entrepreneurial, private enterprise drive of the rightist WASPs who have always been their covert model.    Elijah Muhammad and Farrakhan were as wary of big government and welfare aid from it to the poor as Todd M and the right wing of the Republican Party.  (It was, though,  the moral injunctions of the Qur&#8217;an that enabled them to break the grip of drugs, alcohol and other vices had on the converts).</p>
<p>Farrakhan is as short of scruple and as skilled a manipulative politican as any other micro-nationalist leader in America, gentile or Jew (think hate-merchant Daniel Pipes).  But his media did give African-Americans in general elaborate techniques to build wealth for themselves through private enterpise and self-reliance, as all good Anglo-Saxons worth their salt have to do in America.  And these are good values for anyone to follow.</p>
<p>It was with the hope that it might ease blind ethnic hatreds among Americans, help at least a few Americans realize how like each other they are, and actually like each other, that I wrote my book _ISLAM AND THE SEARCH FOR AFRICAN-AMERICAN NATIONHOOD: Elijah Muhammad, Louis Farrakhan, and the Nation of Islam_ (Atlanta City: Clarity Press 2005).</p>
<p>Whites are welcome to join today&#8217;s Nation of Islam!</p>
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		<title>By: Todd M</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/07/31/civil-rights-group-adl-backs-bigots-islamophobes-against-mosque-near-ground-zero/#comment-76078</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 13:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Minister Louis Farrakhan&quot; ...now THERE is a fine example of a kook and a Black Muslim Racist if I ever heard one. Sorry...this man hates whites...and he is a goofball. Half of his followers think that there is some sort of spaceship that is going to beam them up and destroy white people!

Please keep proving my point by bringing up extremist Muslims like Minister Louis Farrakhan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Minister Louis Farrakhan&#8221; &#8230;now THERE is a fine example of a kook and a Black Muslim Racist if I ever heard one. Sorry&#8230;this man hates whites&#8230;and he is a goofball. Half of his followers think that there is some sort of spaceship that is going to beam them up and destroy white people!</p>
<p>Please keep proving my point by bringing up extremist Muslims like Minister Louis Farrakhan!</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Dennis Walker, Australia
donxaw@yahoo.com

Sorry you guys.  ADAM Clayton Powell, not &quot;Gordon&quot;.

And for some other mistypes also.

Peace to you all,

Dennsi Walker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Dennis Walker, Australia<br />
<a href="mailto:donxaw@yahoo.com">donxaw@yahoo.com</a></p>
<p>Sorry you guys.  ADAM Clayton Powell, not &#8220;Gordon&#8221;.</p>
<p>And for some other mistypes also.</p>
<p>Peace to you all,</p>
<p>Dennsi Walker</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 10:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-removed. This has been posted a couple of times before. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-removed. This has been posted a couple of times before. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Amad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 06:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Follow the logic here:
-We don&#039;t appreciate getting material from clear hate and islamophobic sites thrown at us to &quot;refute&quot;. We don&#039;t have time to deal with haters.
-You keep doing that.
-When confronted on source of info., you say it is from &quot;islamic sites&quot;.
-When asked to share quotes and proofs with links to those &quot;islamic sites&quot;, you throw more islamophobic sites at us.
-Finally, you just mention two Islamic sites as if we are to somehow corroborate your previous misinformation with these Islamic sites. Islamicity and whyislam are Muslim sites, so what? You haven&#039;t shared anything specific from them.

And to be honest, we are done with &quot;refute this site or that site&quot;. If you have a question, you can ask it on the APPROPRIATE post. No links.

This is my last reply. Pls read it carefully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Follow the logic here:<br />
-We don&#8217;t appreciate getting material from clear hate and islamophobic sites thrown at us to &#8220;refute&#8221;. We don&#8217;t have time to deal with haters.<br />
-You keep doing that.<br />
-When confronted on source of info., you say it is from &#8220;islamic sites&#8221;.<br />
-When asked to share quotes and proofs with links to those &#8220;islamic sites&#8221;, you throw more islamophobic sites at us.<br />
-Finally, you just mention two Islamic sites as if we are to somehow corroborate your previous misinformation with these Islamic sites. Islamicity and whyislam are Muslim sites, so what? You haven&#8217;t shared anything specific from them.</p>
<p>And to be honest, we are done with &#8220;refute this site or that site&#8221;. If you have a question, you can ask it on the APPROPRIATE post. No links.</p>
<p>This is my last reply. Pls read it carefully.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Murphy</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/07/31/civil-rights-group-adl-backs-bigots-islamophobes-against-mosque-near-ground-zero/#comment-75403</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 10:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amad,

I have not lied about one thing I&#039;ve commented on.  You however don&#039;t read what is written.  You say I make hate statements, lie, etc.   I&#039;ve made statements &amp; asked questions.  That&#039;s what (?) means.  A question.  How can anyone learn anything without questions?????   You DON&#039;T answer.  You control.  I&#039;ll bet when someone is actually speaking directly to you, you also take things out of context.

I don&#039;t go to hate sites.   Never intentionally.  I have tried finding &quot;Muslim&quot;, &quot;Islam&quot;, &amp; &quot;Holy Quran&quot; sites.  Tell me this, how am I supposed to know if in fact these sites are actually what they say they are??????  

Some people have made comments on how well other countries are getting along with the Muslims that live there.  That article on France is not a lie.  And it definitely does not state everyone is getting along.

Does the truth bother you so much that you don&#039;t want anyone else to see it??  I&#039;m not trying to spread hate &amp; discontent.  I wanted answers.  You refuse to give answers.

I hate no one.  I do hate lies.  I will always try to give an honest answer to a question put to me.  You, on the other hand, don&#039;t answer questions.

I never told anyone &quot;what they believe&quot; nor &quot;what to do&quot;.  I have made request &amp; asked questions.   I haven&#039;t called anyone names.  YOU Have.

I have been reading &quot;The Holy Quran&quot; on a site &amp; it takes a lot of time to actually decifer some of it, whereas other writings are easy to understand.  I haven&#039;t found the other sites I had been reading.  I did find the sites on the &quot;Cordoba House&quot;.  I have not posted them because I had not found all the other sites as of yet.

I don&#039;t really think it makes a difference because you will probably tell me every site is a lie.  Is this site a lie?    http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/surai.htm

How about this one?   http://www.whyislam.org/

Am I supposed to post every site I go to having to do with Muslims, Islam or the Quran first so you can tell me if they are lies?

You most definitely have a problem with people looking for answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amad,</p>
<p>I have not lied about one thing I&#8217;ve commented on.  You however don&#8217;t read what is written.  You say I make hate statements, lie, etc.   I&#8217;ve made statements &amp; asked questions.  That&#8217;s what (?) means.  A question.  How can anyone learn anything without questions?????   You DON&#8217;T answer.  You control.  I&#8217;ll bet when someone is actually speaking directly to you, you also take things out of context.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t go to hate sites.   Never intentionally.  I have tried finding &#8220;Muslim&#8221;, &#8220;Islam&#8221;, &amp; &#8220;Holy Quran&#8221; sites.  Tell me this, how am I supposed to know if in fact these sites are actually what they say they are??????  </p>
<p>Some people have made comments on how well other countries are getting along with the Muslims that live there.  That article on France is not a lie.  And it definitely does not state everyone is getting along.</p>
<p>Does the truth bother you so much that you don&#8217;t want anyone else to see it??  I&#8217;m not trying to spread hate &amp; discontent.  I wanted answers.  You refuse to give answers.</p>
<p>I hate no one.  I do hate lies.  I will always try to give an honest answer to a question put to me.  You, on the other hand, don&#8217;t answer questions.</p>
<p>I never told anyone &#8220;what they believe&#8221; nor &#8220;what to do&#8221;.  I have made request &amp; asked questions.   I haven&#8217;t called anyone names.  YOU Have.</p>
<p>I have been reading &#8220;The Holy Quran&#8221; on a site &amp; it takes a lot of time to actually decifer some of it, whereas other writings are easy to understand.  I haven&#8217;t found the other sites I had been reading.  I did find the sites on the &#8220;Cordoba House&#8221;.  I have not posted them because I had not found all the other sites as of yet.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really think it makes a difference because you will probably tell me every site is a lie.  Is this site a lie?    <a href="http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/surai.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/surai.htm</a></p>
<p>How about this one?   <a href="http://www.whyislam.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.whyislam.org/</a></p>
<p>Am I supposed to post every site I go to having to do with Muslims, Islam or the Quran first so you can tell me if they are lies?</p>
<p>You most definitely have a problem with people looking for answers.</p>
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		<title>By: Amad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 10:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Problem Jean is that I don&#039;t like pathological deceivers. You stated that all your &quot;information&quot; was from Muslim sites when I called you out on your constant lies. You were given every opportunity to engage in a useful discussion but you kept throwing in inneundo and straight out lies about Islam and Muslims. 

This site is a sanctuary for Muslims and non-Muslims to learn and observe what orthodox Muslims ACTUALLY believe, not what others tell us what we believe. Links to the &quot;son of Hamas&quot; or to the Christian Broadcasting Network, which further exacerbate Islamophobia may be welcome on the sites that you spend your day and night on, but not on our sanctuary.

If you are here to tell Muslims how bad Muslims and Islam are, then I am sure you&#039;ll have plenty of hate-sites that you can participate in. Not here. Not now. Not ever. (heard that before?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Problem Jean is that I don&#8217;t like pathological deceivers. You stated that all your &#8220;information&#8221; was from Muslim sites when I called you out on your constant lies. You were given every opportunity to engage in a useful discussion but you kept throwing in inneundo and straight out lies about Islam and Muslims. </p>
<p>This site is a sanctuary for Muslims and non-Muslims to learn and observe what orthodox Muslims ACTUALLY believe, not what others tell us what we believe. Links to the &#8220;son of Hamas&#8221; or to the Christian Broadcasting Network, which further exacerbate Islamophobia may be welcome on the sites that you spend your day and night on, but not on our sanctuary.</p>
<p>If you are here to tell Muslims how bad Muslims and Islam are, then I am sure you&#8217;ll have plenty of hate-sites that you can participate in. Not here. Not now. Not ever. (heard that before?)</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 03:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amad,

Why is it that you don&#039;t want anyone to read anything that you don&#039;t like or agree with?
I didn&#039;t tell anyone they had to read anything on this site I posted.  I asked people to go
there &amp; read some of the articles.  This is not a &quot;nonsense&quot; site.  And I never said it was
a Muslim site, at all.  It was a suggestion. Period.  You made sure no one had a choice, 
didn&#039;t you?     

It seems you want to control everything on this site, who reads what, &amp; who says what.
Very diplomatic of you.

I suppose you won&#039;t &quot;allow&quot; anyone to check out this site either, will you??
-snipped-

Things are going so well in France...
&lt;em&gt;
-edited. Seem my response.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amad,</p>
<p>Why is it that you don&#8217;t want anyone to read anything that you don&#8217;t like or agree with?<br />
I didn&#8217;t tell anyone they had to read anything on this site I posted.  I asked people to go<br />
there &amp; read some of the articles.  This is not a &#8220;nonsense&#8221; site.  And I never said it was<br />
a Muslim site, at all.  It was a suggestion. Period.  You made sure no one had a choice,<br />
didn&#8217;t you?     </p>
<p>It seems you want to control everything on this site, who reads what, &amp; who says what.<br />
Very diplomatic of you.</p>
<p>I suppose you won&#8217;t &#8220;allow&#8221; anyone to check out this site either, will you??<br />
-snipped-</p>
<p>Things are going so well in France&#8230;<br />
<em><br />
-edited. Seem my response.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Jean Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 03:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To All Muslims on this site,  (and everyone else too)
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;
-Snipped. Here you go again, bringing us info from worldnetdaily and wanting &quot;all Muslims&quot; to read nonsense! Just proves again that your sources are not &quot;Muslim sites&quot; but Islamophobic sites. -amad &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To All Muslims on this site,  (and everyone else too)<br />
<strong><em><br />
-Snipped. Here you go again, bringing us info from worldnetdaily and wanting &#8220;all Muslims&#8221; to read nonsense! Just proves again that your sources are not &#8220;Muslim sites&#8221; but Islamophobic sites. -amad </em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Jean Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 02:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd M.

You put that very well. I couldn&#039;t agree with you more.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd M.</p>
<p>You put that very well. I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.  Thanks.</p>
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