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		<title>By: Sabir</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/07/15/the-failure-of-islamic-finance/#comment-94106</link>
		<dc:creator>Sabir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salam, This  article is very useful 4 Muslims and non Muslims. It has many information about Islamic life, I Expect more from this author.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salam, This  article is very useful 4 Muslims and non Muslims. It has many information about Islamic life, I Expect more from this author.</p>
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		<title>By: GREEN BARRON</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/07/15/the-failure-of-islamic-finance/#comment-91639</link>
		<dc:creator>GREEN BARRON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I don&#039;t think that Islamic Banking will sustain further future, &lt;strong&gt;IF&lt;/strong&gt; there is no &lt;strong&gt;SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE&lt;/strong&gt; between Conventional and Islamic Banking. They only change the terms into Arabic words, but apparently they still collect &quot;RIBA&#039;&quot; in other way, @ by &lt;strong&gt;charging indirect charges&lt;/strong&gt; to the people, whereby Islamic Finance principle forbidden Riba&#039;.
That&#039;s what really happen in Islamic Banking nowadays.

But if you have anything to share, I would certainly happy to discuss. Learning is important in life..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t think that Islamic Banking will sustain further future, <strong>IF</strong> there is no <strong>SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE</strong> between Conventional and Islamic Banking. They only change the terms into Arabic words, but apparently they still collect &#8220;RIBA&#8217;&#8221; in other way, @ by <strong>charging indirect charges</strong> to the people, whereby Islamic Finance principle forbidden Riba&#8217;.<br />
That&#8217;s what really happen in Islamic Banking nowadays.</p>
<p>But if you have anything to share, I would certainly happy to discuss. Learning is important in life..</p>
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		<title>By: Mezba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mezba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Five more questions about this rent to own thing.

1. So who owns the house? Bank, homebuyer or both? If the bank owns a part then should they not share in the cost of utilities, insurance, property taxes etc.? Yet these costs are all borne out by the homebuyer. So why is the homebuyer paying â€œrentâ€? According to law these should be borne out by owners only in proportion to their ownership.

2. If every year, more of the title goes to the homebuyer, then should not the Islamic bank pay the City of Toronto a Land Transfer Tax every year because every year the title is changing in composition?

3. If a fire destroys the house after first year who collects the insurance money? (Again goes back to the first question: who is the owner).

4. So what transaction is this? Is it a lease, a loan, a purchase? I thought uncertainties were NOT allowed in an Islamic transaction?

5. Why does the Islamic bank re-evaluate the market price of the house every year to determine the rent? According to Ontario Law, rent can only grow by a fixed percentage every year. Yet suspiciously most Islamic financierâ€™s reevaluation of the market price of the house to determine the â€œrentâ€ is surprisingly close to Bank of Canadaâ€™s financing rates or the international LIBOR rate.

I put some more questions about Islamic financing here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://mezba.blogspot.com/2010/10/questions-about-islamic-financing.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://mezba.blogspot.com/2010/10/questions-about-islamic-financing.html&lt;/a&gt; but the above questions are relevant to this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Five more questions about this rent to own thing.</p>
<p>1. So who owns the house? Bank, homebuyer or both? If the bank owns a part then should they not share in the cost of utilities, insurance, property taxes etc.? Yet these costs are all borne out by the homebuyer. So why is the homebuyer paying â€œrentâ€? According to law these should be borne out by owners only in proportion to their ownership.</p>
<p>2. If every year, more of the title goes to the homebuyer, then should not the Islamic bank pay the City of Toronto a Land Transfer Tax every year because every year the title is changing in composition?</p>
<p>3. If a fire destroys the house after first year who collects the insurance money? (Again goes back to the first question: who is the owner).</p>
<p>4. So what transaction is this? Is it a lease, a loan, a purchase? I thought uncertainties were NOT allowed in an Islamic transaction?</p>
<p>5. Why does the Islamic bank re-evaluate the market price of the house every year to determine the rent? According to Ontario Law, rent can only grow by a fixed percentage every year. Yet suspiciously most Islamic financierâ€™s reevaluation of the market price of the house to determine the â€œrentâ€ is surprisingly close to Bank of Canadaâ€™s financing rates or the international LIBOR rate.</p>
<p>I put some more questions about Islamic financing here: <a href="http://mezba.blogspot.com/2010/10/questions-about-islamic-financing.html" rel="nofollow">http://mezba.blogspot.com/2010/10/questions-about-islamic-financing.html</a> but the above questions are relevant to this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose Anderson</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/07/15/the-failure-of-islamic-finance/#comment-76896</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
As I see in your post there is lots of good information available on Islamic finance. Islamic finance has change a lot in the recent few years. Rest of the world  specially  American and European countries want to get advantage of these change in there own interest. Innovation of sukuk also one of the big reason that non Islamic countries look on the Islamic finance market.
Sukuk is  an alternate way of investment where the investor get the benefits  of investment and its treated as rent  on investment, to avoid the interest on investment which is strictly prohibited in Islam.I have also some site and blog  ,I have write on same topic check my post : http://portfolioanalyst.blogspot.com/2010/09/islamic-debt-bond-market.html.
I want to write on guest post for your blog based on change on the Islamic debt market.If you agree than contact me at roseanderson26@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
As I see in your post there is lots of good information available on Islamic finance. Islamic finance has change a lot in the recent few years. Rest of the world  specially  American and European countries want to get advantage of these change in there own interest. Innovation of sukuk also one of the big reason that non Islamic countries look on the Islamic finance market.<br />
Sukuk is  an alternate way of investment where the investor get the benefits  of investment and its treated as rent  on investment, to avoid the interest on investment which is strictly prohibited in Islam.I have also some site and blog  ,I have write on same topic check my post : <a href="http://portfolioanalyst.blogspot.com/2010/09/islamic-debt-bond-market.html" rel="nofollow">http://portfolioanalyst.blogspot.com/2010/09/islamic-debt-bond-market.html</a>.<br />
I want to write on guest post for your blog based on change on the Islamic debt market.If you agree than contact me at <a href="mailto:roseanderson26@gmail.com">roseanderson26@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sarah J.</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/07/15/the-failure-of-islamic-finance/#comment-72063</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is disillusioning. In Bernard Lewis&#039;s book on Islam, he favorably compares Islamic Mortgages with Western-Style Mortgages, including a little chart that shows everything you just described, only without the % increases. He seems to be/ to have been genuinely sanguine about the future of all Muslim countries under this sort of banking. 

Human beings have got to stop and listen for Shaitan&#039;s whisper in their ears (in this case, &quot;Who cares if it&#039;s forbidden? Who&#039;s going to notice the hidden interest-gathering?&quot; I think we all know Who is going to notice. Nothing gets past Him.) before they do this sort of thing. He often slips in His whispers at the same time as God is speaking plainly to us through His writings, so that if we do not think first, we may put into practice everything we heard in that session of study, including the unwanted &quot;footnotes.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is disillusioning. In Bernard Lewis&#8217;s book on Islam, he favorably compares Islamic Mortgages with Western-Style Mortgages, including a little chart that shows everything you just described, only without the % increases. He seems to be/ to have been genuinely sanguine about the future of all Muslim countries under this sort of banking. </p>
<p>Human beings have got to stop and listen for Shaitan&#8217;s whisper in their ears (in this case, &#8220;Who cares if it&#8217;s forbidden? Who&#8217;s going to notice the hidden interest-gathering?&#8221; I think we all know Who is going to notice. Nothing gets past Him.) before they do this sort of thing. He often slips in His whispers at the same time as God is speaking plainly to us through His writings, so that if we do not think first, we may put into practice everything we heard in that session of study, including the unwanted &#8220;footnotes.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Habibi</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/07/15/the-failure-of-islamic-finance/#comment-72052</link>
		<dc:creator>Habibi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalamu Alaikum,

Here are the 2 cents from someone who has actually worked in a So called No Interest house financing . Heard of LARIBA ? well, hereâ€™s the concept ( or at least was initially the concept ). Company and you purchase the house together. Each owns the % of house based on who puts what. Now , the company then find outs the rental in the neighborhood ( 3 quotes )  and assign you that rent. Over the period of time you pay that rent. A FIXED amount. Every month  a portion of which goes towards the rent and portion of which goes towards buying the % of house, and over  the period of time the portion of rent you are paying towards buying the % of house goes up ( sounds familiar ?). If the rent in the neighborhood is such that company would end up losing money , then no deal.  My understanding of Islam says that there is no interest in islam. Either you give Qard Hasana , i.e. give someone loan with literally no expectation of getting it back or invest together ( i.e. sharing profit AND loss ) . Now in above model if you want to sell the house ( once you have more than 50% ownership ) , and house is selling at loss , both the company and yourself should share the loss , correct ? here comes the twist. In companyâ€™s many years history there wasnâ€™t a loss recorded.  Though in paper they show that they tried to find out the rentals in the neighborhood but there isnâ€™t a real search for that ( at least I never saw one ) . Wait a sec, then how do they come up with the amount of rent  ( read monthly payment s  ) well , every morning the VP sends an email telling you about the rate from which you calculate that payment. Where does he get that % ? Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, depending on who is financing the loan.
 Management criticizes other so-called islamically financed companies using different argument e.g Jews owners or Fatwa shopping or comments of such sort  and you might have analyzed their model and respective implementation yourself. 
I am not sure about all this. Since we are supposed to go where there is no doubt or clarity is higher , as long as I can live without buying a house or investing in funds, I would rather remain on the safe side for risk of involving in riba is pretty scary. 

And surely Allah Knows Best .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalamu Alaikum,</p>
<p>Here are the 2 cents from someone who has actually worked in a So called No Interest house financing . Heard of LARIBA ? well, hereâ€™s the concept ( or at least was initially the concept ). Company and you purchase the house together. Each owns the % of house based on who puts what. Now , the company then find outs the rental in the neighborhood ( 3 quotes )  and assign you that rent. Over the period of time you pay that rent. A FIXED amount. Every month  a portion of which goes towards the rent and portion of which goes towards buying the % of house, and over  the period of time the portion of rent you are paying towards buying the % of house goes up ( sounds familiar ?). If the rent in the neighborhood is such that company would end up losing money , then no deal.  My understanding of Islam says that there is no interest in islam. Either you give Qard Hasana , i.e. give someone loan with literally no expectation of getting it back or invest together ( i.e. sharing profit AND loss ) . Now in above model if you want to sell the house ( once you have more than 50% ownership ) , and house is selling at loss , both the company and yourself should share the loss , correct ? here comes the twist. In companyâ€™s many years history there wasnâ€™t a loss recorded.  Though in paper they show that they tried to find out the rentals in the neighborhood but there isnâ€™t a real search for that ( at least I never saw one ) . Wait a sec, then how do they come up with the amount of rent  ( read monthly payment s  ) well , every morning the VP sends an email telling you about the rate from which you calculate that payment. Where does he get that % ? Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, depending on who is financing the loan.<br />
 Management criticizes other so-called islamically financed companies using different argument e.g Jews owners or Fatwa shopping or comments of such sort  and you might have analyzed their model and respective implementation yourself.<br />
I am not sure about all this. Since we are supposed to go where there is no doubt or clarity is higher , as long as I can live without buying a house or investing in funds, I would rather remain on the safe side for risk of involving in riba is pretty scary. </p>
<p>And surely Allah Knows Best .</p>
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		<title>By: Muhammad Saeed Babar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muhammad Saeed Babar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 04:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalam-O-Alaikum

Thanks Ibn Hajr for elucidating what should be the &quot;Islamic banking&quot;. There is no prohibition to making money in Islam but one has to share the risk. By &quot;slicing and dicing&quot; Islamic banks absolve themselves from sharing the risk with the borrower. The practiced Murabaha transactions are very much akin to &quot;temporary marriage&quot; or &quot;Halal Adultery&quot; as in both cases the intention is quite different than what it should be. One can&#039;t marry temporarily i-e marrying for a period and then divorce and similarly one can&#039;t pre-arrange a mark up transaction and then call it a Murabaha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalam-O-Alaikum</p>
<p>Thanks Ibn Hajr for elucidating what should be the &#8220;Islamic banking&#8221;. There is no prohibition to making money in Islam but one has to share the risk. By &#8220;slicing and dicing&#8221; Islamic banks absolve themselves from sharing the risk with the borrower. The practiced Murabaha transactions are very much akin to &#8220;temporary marriage&#8221; or &#8220;Halal Adultery&#8221; as in both cases the intention is quite different than what it should be. One can&#8217;t marry temporarily i-e marrying for a period and then divorce and similarly one can&#8217;t pre-arrange a mark up transaction and then call it a Murabaha.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Noor Al-Irlandee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abu Noor Al-Irlandee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.universityislamicfinancial.com/aboutus.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Welcome to University Islamic Financial Corp.

University Bank is a community bank based in Ann Arbor, Michigan serving the diverse needs of all consumers.

University Bank is proud to have formed University Islamic Financial Corporation, the first Islamic Banking subsidiary run entirely on Shariah principles. UIFC serves the needs of the Muslim community by offering Shariah-compliant deposit accounts through University Bank and Mortgage Alternative (MALTâ„¢) products. Through University Bank&#039;s subsidiary, University Insurance &amp; Investment Services we also make Shariah-compliant Mutual Funds available to our customers. We are always striving to provide more Shariah-compliant products in order to be your single point of contact for all your financial services needs.&lt;/a&gt;

University Islamic Financial&#039;s goal is to be the financial institution of choice for the Muslim community in the United States.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.universityislamicfinancial.com/aboutus.html" rel="nofollow">Welcome to University Islamic Financial Corp.</p>
<p>University Bank is a community bank based in Ann Arbor, Michigan serving the diverse needs of all consumers.</p>
<p>University Bank is proud to have formed University Islamic Financial Corporation, the first Islamic Banking subsidiary run entirely on Shariah principles. UIFC serves the needs of the Muslim community by offering Shariah-compliant deposit accounts through University Bank and Mortgage Alternative (MALTâ„¢) products. Through University Bank&#8217;s subsidiary, University Insurance &amp; Investment Services we also make Shariah-compliant Mutual Funds available to our customers. We are always striving to provide more Shariah-compliant products in order to be your single point of contact for all your financial services needs.</a></p>
<p>University Islamic Financial&#8217;s goal is to be the financial institution of choice for the Muslim community in the United States.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: fshareef</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/07/15/the-failure-of-islamic-finance/#comment-71914</link>
		<dc:creator>fshareef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know of any US based Muslim-owned Islamic Bank (like one that offers checking accounts, FDIC backed, etc), or know of anyone who is working on such a project?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know of any US based Muslim-owned Islamic Bank (like one that offers checking accounts, FDIC backed, etc), or know of anyone who is working on such a project?</p>
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		<title>By: fshareef</title>
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		<dc:creator>fshareef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is anyone working on creating an actual Bank (physical or online [similar to ING]), based on Islamic values, in the United States? Not a financial institution, but an actual bank that has checking accounts, investments accounts, etc...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anyone working on creating an actual Bank (physical or online [similar to ING]), based on Islamic values, in the United States? Not a financial institution, but an actual bank that has checking accounts, investments accounts, etc&#8230;?</p>
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