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	<title>Comments on: Did Egyptian Customs Lead to a New Shafi&#8217;i School? Shaykh Alawi Abd al-Qadir al-Saqqaf</title>
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		<title>By: Wael - IslamicSunrays.com</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/04/19/did-egyptian-customs-lead-to-a-new-shafii-school/#comment-91691</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 07:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very interesting and I don&#039;t mean to open a can of worms, but this kind of thing is why I do not follow a particular madhhab. We see clearly from stories like this that the great Imams (may Allah have mercy on them) were fallible. They were limited by the knowledge that came to them, and even they were aware of that. They lived in times when travel was arduous and long-distance communication was nonexistent. Their access to authentic information was limited by the realities of their time. How many of their rulings would have been different if they had met this scholar, or heard that hadith, or read that book, or traveled to this city...

I appreciate texts that give me the rulings of various Imams and scholars on a particular issue, along with their proofs and reasonings. Then I can read, and made a decision for myself which is most convincing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very interesting and I don&#8217;t mean to open a can of worms, but this kind of thing is why I do not follow a particular madhhab. We see clearly from stories like this that the great Imams (may Allah have mercy on them) were fallible. They were limited by the knowledge that came to them, and even they were aware of that. They lived in times when travel was arduous and long-distance communication was nonexistent. Their access to authentic information was limited by the realities of their time. How many of their rulings would have been different if they had met this scholar, or heard that hadith, or read that book, or traveled to this city&#8230;</p>
<p>I appreciate texts that give me the rulings of various Imams and scholars on a particular issue, along with their proofs and reasonings. Then I can read, and made a decision for myself which is most convincing.</p>
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		<title>By: issay</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/04/19/did-egyptian-customs-lead-to-a-new-shafii-school/#comment-69391</link>
		<dc:creator>issay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is the original  arabic link.


http://www.dorar.net/art/409</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is the original  arabic link.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dorar.net/art/409" rel="nofollow">http://www.dorar.net/art/409</a></p>
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		<title>By: DawahIT</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/04/19/did-egyptian-customs-lead-to-a-new-shafii-school/#comment-65315</link>
		<dc:creator>DawahIT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalamu alaikum,

JazakAllah khair. Very useful in understanding fiqh.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalamu alaikum,</p>
<p>JazakAllah khair. Very useful in understanding fiqh.</p>
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		<title>By: Anas Hlayhel</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/04/19/did-egyptian-customs-lead-to-a-new-shafii-school/#comment-65282</link>
		<dc:creator>Anas Hlayhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 04:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abu Ibrahim and Shahzad,

I think I agree with you both that the tone of the article was a bit too decisive.  In fact, while translating, I felt the author could have been a bit more flexible allowing room for other factors (e.g. changes due to locality).  I&#039;m not sure if the author took the time to study each issue where Imam al-Shafi&#039;i changed his opinion and made sure that change of locality was not a factor!  Anyway, he seems to rely on strong statements from experts in al-Shafi&#039;i school such as Imam an-Nawawi which affirm his opinion, and that may have made him make such bold conclusions and Allah knows best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abu Ibrahim and Shahzad,</p>
<p>I think I agree with you both that the tone of the article was a bit too decisive.  In fact, while translating, I felt the author could have been a bit more flexible allowing room for other factors (e.g. changes due to locality).  I&#8217;m not sure if the author took the time to study each issue where Imam al-Shafi&#8217;i changed his opinion and made sure that change of locality was not a factor!  Anyway, he seems to rely on strong statements from experts in al-Shafi&#8217;i school such as Imam an-Nawawi which affirm his opinion, and that may have made him make such bold conclusions and Allah knows best.</p>
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		<title>By: Anas Hlayhel</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/04/19/did-egyptian-customs-lead-to-a-new-shafii-school/#comment-65280</link>
		<dc:creator>Anas Hlayhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 04:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Irfan and Mustafa,

I don&#039;t think the author is the son of Habib Abdul-Qadir as-Saqqaf who died recently.

The full name of our author is Alawi bin Abdul-Qadir &lt;strong&gt;bin Mohamed bin Hadi &lt;/strong&gt;as-Saqqaf

The full name of the person you both are referring to is Abdul-Qadir &lt;strong&gt;bin Ahmad bin Abdur-Rahman &lt;/strong&gt;as-Saqqaf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Irfan and Mustafa,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the author is the son of Habib Abdul-Qadir as-Saqqaf who died recently.</p>
<p>The full name of our author is Alawi bin Abdul-Qadir <strong>bin Mohamed bin Hadi </strong>as-Saqqaf</p>
<p>The full name of the person you both are referring to is Abdul-Qadir <strong>bin Ahmad bin Abdur-Rahman </strong>as-Saqqaf.</p>
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		<title>By: elham</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/04/19/did-egyptian-customs-lead-to-a-new-shafii-school/#comment-65268</link>
		<dc:creator>elham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 01:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;&#039;Then why embarass the other person (in this case another scholar) publicly?&#039;&#039;

Who you do mean? I never stated that somebody/ scholar should embarrass someone publicly!

&#039;&#039;Right. Are most issues black &amp; white and clear-cut? So if someone does not agree with you and doesnt see the â€˜factsâ€™ the way you see them then you jump to judging their intentions by accusing them of â€˜following desiresâ€™.&#039;&#039;..

&#039;&#039;How would this scholar feel if he made a mistake and someone else said about him that he is â€˜ignorantâ€™ or â€˜following desiresâ€™?&#039;&#039;

Well, say if a hadith or an ayah IS clear-cut about an issue then why would someone want to ignore it ? The scholars that I see/listen to humbly accept each other&#039;s corrections and  reiterate that the Quran and Sunnah are more important than anybody&#039;s views or opinions.
Moreover I was merely trying to answer your open question and was not speaking about myself, so Inshallah there is no need to attack anyone. 

I think there could be one of two things when someone who is supposed to be Qualified, a scholar,  misjudges.That &#039;s my opinion . If a great scholar like Imam Shafi&#039; (ra) acknowledges his mistake and admits that he was ignorant of something ( and Allah swt is All- Knowing) after he was shown a hadith/evidence then it shouldn&#039;t be a problem for us.

&#039;&#039;We need to learn to treat each other with respect. The sunnah is to treat each other the way we would like to be treated.&#039;&#039;

Agree. Inshallah we practice the Sunnah as you say and return each others Salaams :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221;Then why embarass the other person (in this case another scholar) publicly?&#8221;</p>
<p>Who you do mean? I never stated that somebody/ scholar should embarrass someone publicly!</p>
<p>&#8221;Right. Are most issues black &amp; white and clear-cut? So if someone does not agree with you and doesnt see the â€˜factsâ€™ the way you see them then you jump to judging their intentions by accusing them of â€˜following desiresâ€™.&#8221;..</p>
<p>&#8221;How would this scholar feel if he made a mistake and someone else said about him that he is â€˜ignorantâ€™ or â€˜following desiresâ€™?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, say if a hadith or an ayah IS clear-cut about an issue then why would someone want to ignore it ? The scholars that I see/listen to humbly accept each other&#8217;s corrections and  reiterate that the Quran and Sunnah are more important than anybody&#8217;s views or opinions.<br />
Moreover I was merely trying to answer your open question and was not speaking about myself, so Inshallah there is no need to attack anyone. </p>
<p>I think there could be one of two things when someone who is supposed to be Qualified, a scholar,  misjudges.That &#8216;s my opinion . If a great scholar like Imam Shafi&#8217; (ra) acknowledges his mistake and admits that he was ignorant of something ( and Allah swt is All- Knowing) after he was shown a hadith/evidence then it shouldn&#8217;t be a problem for us.</p>
<p>&#8221;We need to learn to treat each other with respect. The sunnah is to treat each other the way we would like to be treated.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agree. Inshallah we practice the Sunnah as you say and return each others Salaams :)</p>
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		<title>By: Anas Hlayhel</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/04/19/did-egyptian-customs-lead-to-a-new-shafii-school/#comment-65251</link>
		<dc:creator>Anas Hlayhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 20:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalaam Alaikum akhi Mustafa,

Here is the link:

http://www.dorar.net/art/409

enjoy,
Anas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalaam Alaikum akhi Mustafa,</p>
<p>Here is the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dorar.net/art/409" rel="nofollow">http://www.dorar.net/art/409</a></p>
<p>enjoy,<br />
Anas</p>
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		<title>By: Mustafa</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/04/19/did-egyptian-customs-lead-to-a-new-shafii-school/#comment-65245</link>
		<dc:creator>Mustafa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author of this article is indeed the son of al-Qutb al-Habib `Abd al-Qadir al-Saqqaf (radiy Allah `anh).

Jazak Allah khayran Shaykh Anas for translating. Could you possibly post (a link to) the Arabic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author of this article is indeed the son of al-Qutb al-Habib `Abd al-Qadir al-Saqqaf (radiy Allah `anh).</p>
<p>Jazak Allah khayran Shaykh Anas for translating. Could you possibly post (a link to) the Arabic?</p>
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		<title>By: Saif</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/04/19/did-egyptian-customs-lead-to-a-new-shafii-school/#comment-65239</link>
		<dc:creator>Saif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May Allah have mercy on him and fill his grave with noor! With his and Dr. Israr&#039;s deaths, the ummah has two of its gems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May Allah have mercy on him and fill his grave with noor! With his and Dr. Israr&#8217;s deaths, the ummah has two of its gems.</p>
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		<title>By: Shahzad</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/04/19/did-egyptian-customs-lead-to-a-new-shafii-school/#comment-65234</link>
		<dc:creator>Shahzad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 17:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalamu &#039;alaikum,

I think an important point is missing or needs clarification:

There is a difference between &quot;fatwa&quot; and &quot;hukum&quot;. The examples the sheikh gave are clear-cut ahkaam from the Quran and Sunnah that local custom cannot change. For instance, using gold/silver or washing the utensil after a dog has licked from it are clearly defined in the texts. The reason why a scholar may change his ruling when moving from one region to another is because he has come across new ahadith or corroborating narrations which he did not have previosly. This explains why rulings of the various madhaahib are different: each scholar lived and travelled in different regions of the Muslim world and thus came across different ahadith. 

A fatwa however is a ruling often applied to a novel situation and may take into account local circumstances. An example could be whether to combine maghrib or isha in northern countries where the sun doesn&#039;t set fully. I feel this article did not properly distinguish between these two terms and gives the impression that ALL rulings are written in stone without local adaptation.

Another way of looking at this is that Islamic rulings are of two types: Non-changeable (muthaabit) and changeable (mutaghayyiraat). Non-changeable rulings imutable such as salat, tahaarah, etc.  which are clearly defined for everyone at all times. Changeable rulings such as forms of government, dress, etc. are defined by general priciples in the Quran and Sunnah but details can be adapted to local custom.

Allah knows best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalamu &#8216;alaikum,</p>
<p>I think an important point is missing or needs clarification:</p>
<p>There is a difference between &#8220;fatwa&#8221; and &#8220;hukum&#8221;. The examples the sheikh gave are clear-cut ahkaam from the Quran and Sunnah that local custom cannot change. For instance, using gold/silver or washing the utensil after a dog has licked from it are clearly defined in the texts. The reason why a scholar may change his ruling when moving from one region to another is because he has come across new ahadith or corroborating narrations which he did not have previosly. This explains why rulings of the various madhaahib are different: each scholar lived and travelled in different regions of the Muslim world and thus came across different ahadith. </p>
<p>A fatwa however is a ruling often applied to a novel situation and may take into account local circumstances. An example could be whether to combine maghrib or isha in northern countries where the sun doesn&#8217;t set fully. I feel this article did not properly distinguish between these two terms and gives the impression that ALL rulings are written in stone without local adaptation.</p>
<p>Another way of looking at this is that Islamic rulings are of two types: Non-changeable (muthaabit) and changeable (mutaghayyiraat). Non-changeable rulings imutable such as salat, tahaarah, etc.  which are clearly defined for everyone at all times. Changeable rulings such as forms of government, dress, etc. are defined by general priciples in the Quran and Sunnah but details can be adapted to local custom.</p>
<p>Allah knows best.</p>
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