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		<title>By: Riyadh as-Saliheen Series &#8211; Hadith 2:&#8217;He Looks at your Hearts&#8217; &#124; MuslimMatters.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riyadh as-Saliheen Series &#8211; Hadith 2:&#8217;He Looks at your Hearts&#8217; &#124; MuslimMatters.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 06:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Fazila</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/03/27/obedience-to-a-womans-advice-causes-regret/#comment-63099</link>
		<dc:creator>Fazila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 02:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First I would like to say that neither is any man equal to the &#039;foot dust&#039; of a mother.

Secondly, any person, whether they are male or female, is a fool if they follow everything another says. How ridiculous that you can say a woman is more prone to the influence of the devil when statistically and historically it is men who sin more! When a person is wrong it does not mean they are under the influence of the devil, they are just human!

Frankly, you sound like a chauvanist. You seem like the type of man that sees one woman do something and you&#039;ll say &quot;I knew it, all women are like this...&quot;. Throughout history women have been made to blindly follow the rule of man but this has never been considered wrong! For thousands of years men have ruled the world in majority and if men were always right, just, fair, etc then we&#039;d all be living in utopia. Clearly we&#039;re not.

My point is BOTH men and women are EQUALLY liable to make mistakes/errors in judgement/bad choices/etc and that&#039;s down to being human, not due to gender</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First I would like to say that neither is any man equal to the &#8216;foot dust&#8217; of a mother.</p>
<p>Secondly, any person, whether they are male or female, is a fool if they follow everything another says. How ridiculous that you can say a woman is more prone to the influence of the devil when statistically and historically it is men who sin more! When a person is wrong it does not mean they are under the influence of the devil, they are just human!</p>
<p>Frankly, you sound like a chauvanist. You seem like the type of man that sees one woman do something and you&#8217;ll say &#8220;I knew it, all women are like this&#8230;&#8221;. Throughout history women have been made to blindly follow the rule of man but this has never been considered wrong! For thousands of years men have ruled the world in majority and if men were always right, just, fair, etc then we&#8217;d all be living in utopia. Clearly we&#8217;re not.</p>
<p>My point is BOTH men and women are EQUALLY liable to make mistakes/errors in judgement/bad choices/etc and that&#8217;s down to being human, not due to gender</p>
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		<title>By: Fazila</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/03/27/obedience-to-a-womans-advice-causes-regret/#comment-63098</link>
		<dc:creator>Fazila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 02:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just hardcore misogynists that relegate women to a subordinate role but the majority of men. The subconscious thinking of generations is difficult to get rid off and still lingers today. A leading feminist who lead the way for women&#039;s rights in the UK said a while back that this (the role of women today) is not what they intended. In the past women were kept by their husbands but there was some kind of balance there- the men were responsible for taking care of their wife and children financially while the women took care of the domestic chores and raising the children. Now women have the liberty to follow their own path in life but this subordinate mentality still persists. Now it&#039;s not &#039;you can&#039;t because you&#039;re a woman&#039;, instead it&#039;s &#039;You can do what you want but you still have to fulfill your role&#039; and what role is that exactly? Where does it say that a woman must cook and clean? And what logic is there in the belief that women should be kept hidden? We&#039;re not cattle that will be stolen away! When a woman abandons her dreams to fulfill her husbands she is considered noble, but when a man does the same for a woman he is considered whipped and the woman is said to be manipulative and evil!

Misogynist attitudes pervade all cultures. The beauty of Islam is that it transcends this which shows that it is a truly just and fair religion. Islam documents how women are equal- in fact, if you study enough on the Islamic roles of men and women you will find that men have the short straw because they have many more responsibilities! But instead of celebrating and promoting this it is shrouded and perverted to oppress women.

It saddens me every time a Muslim man says something to undermine women, even if it is &#039;a joke&#039;- it&#039;s not funny. If non-Muslim women were exposed to the true level of a woman in Islam then they would most likely want to be a part of this beautiful religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just hardcore misogynists that relegate women to a subordinate role but the majority of men. The subconscious thinking of generations is difficult to get rid off and still lingers today. A leading feminist who lead the way for women&#8217;s rights in the UK said a while back that this (the role of women today) is not what they intended. In the past women were kept by their husbands but there was some kind of balance there- the men were responsible for taking care of their wife and children financially while the women took care of the domestic chores and raising the children. Now women have the liberty to follow their own path in life but this subordinate mentality still persists. Now it&#8217;s not &#8216;you can&#8217;t because you&#8217;re a woman&#8217;, instead it&#8217;s &#8216;You can do what you want but you still have to fulfill your role&#8217; and what role is that exactly? Where does it say that a woman must cook and clean? And what logic is there in the belief that women should be kept hidden? We&#8217;re not cattle that will be stolen away! When a woman abandons her dreams to fulfill her husbands she is considered noble, but when a man does the same for a woman he is considered whipped and the woman is said to be manipulative and evil!</p>
<p>Misogynist attitudes pervade all cultures. The beauty of Islam is that it transcends this which shows that it is a truly just and fair religion. Islam documents how women are equal- in fact, if you study enough on the Islamic roles of men and women you will find that men have the short straw because they have many more responsibilities! But instead of celebrating and promoting this it is shrouded and perverted to oppress women.</p>
<p>It saddens me every time a Muslim man says something to undermine women, even if it is &#8216;a joke&#8217;- it&#8217;s not funny. If non-Muslim women were exposed to the true level of a woman in Islam then they would most likely want to be a part of this beautiful religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Abez</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/03/27/obedience-to-a-womans-advice-causes-regret/#comment-62990</link>
		<dc:creator>Abez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 06:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be great to see more examples of the Prophet&#039;s (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) consultation with women in his seerah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be great to see more examples of the Prophet&#8217;s (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) consultation with women in his seerah.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Azhar</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/03/27/obedience-to-a-womans-advice-causes-regret/#comment-62949</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Azhar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalaamu&#039;alaykum.

Nice article!

Always love the story regarding the hudaybiyah incident with Umm Salamah&#039;s advice.  
Small note however, what I heard (or read?) and understand that the prophet (SAW) only ordered the companion twice because he was affraid that if he said thrice and they still wouldn&#039;t follow, they would get Allah&#039;s anger for disobedience?

Also I love that you mentioned the story of Muawiiyah (ra) asking ummahaathul mu&#039;miniin Aisyah (ra).  Which I&#039;ve never heard.

Wassalaam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalaamu&#8217;alaykum.</p>
<p>Nice article!</p>
<p>Always love the story regarding the hudaybiyah incident with Umm Salamah&#8217;s advice.<br />
Small note however, what I heard (or read?) and understand that the prophet (SAW) only ordered the companion twice because he was affraid that if he said thrice and they still wouldn&#8217;t follow, they would get Allah&#8217;s anger for disobedience?</p>
<p>Also I love that you mentioned the story of Muawiiyah (ra) asking ummahaathul mu&#8217;miniin Aisyah (ra).  Which I&#8217;ve never heard.</p>
<p>Wassalaam.</p>
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		<title>By: fais</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/03/27/obedience-to-a-womans-advice-causes-regret/#comment-62884</link>
		<dc:creator>fais</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yasir bro, you&#039;ve made some dangerous generalizations (or atleast, left room for missinterpretation). Suffice to say It is essential for every muslim man to know E.X.A.C.T.L.Y what right his mother holds over him vs. what rights his wife holds over him, vs. what rights his sister holds on him and so on...

I&#039;ve heard of way too many horrible stories involving husbands, wives and mothers taking place within desi communities (many more so in Pakistan) that are downright scary and depressing, making you wonder if its possible for muslims get any dumber... 

Awesome job on the article,  great job citing a well known example from the life of the rasool SAW himself to disprove an apparently unsound hadith! the importance of making mashwara and the barakah comes from doing so cannot be over stated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yasir bro, you&#8217;ve made some dangerous generalizations (or atleast, left room for missinterpretation). Suffice to say It is essential for every muslim man to know E.X.A.C.T.L.Y what right his mother holds over him vs. what rights his wife holds over him, vs. what rights his sister holds on him and so on&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard of way too many horrible stories involving husbands, wives and mothers taking place within desi communities (many more so in Pakistan) that are downright scary and depressing, making you wonder if its possible for muslims get any dumber&#8230; </p>
<p>Awesome job on the article,  great job citing a well known example from the life of the rasool SAW himself to disprove an apparently unsound hadith! the importance of making mashwara and the barakah comes from doing so cannot be over stated.</p>
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		<title>By: Olivia</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/03/27/obedience-to-a-womans-advice-causes-regret/#comment-62850</link>
		<dc:creator>Olivia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a very nice article.  good job.

brother yasir, i was interested in hearing you elaborate on two things which you mentioned:

1. Women should be consulted but we should not forget the status of women amongst themselves. Motherâ€™s opnion should come first followed by wife and so on. 
I understand that everyone in this world is placed in a sort of rank when it comes to various things like obedience, good treatment, etc.  But I do not understand how something like advice can be relegated to this same ranking system.  For example, a mother might deserve the best treatment and obedience, but what if she gives you bad advice on a particular subject, whereas your wife (or even you grown child) or father or brother gives you better advice?  Isn&#039;t a person called upon to follow that advice which is best, regardless of where it is coming from?  

2. We should be smart enough to judge when a woman is right and when she is under the influence of shaitan, as I beleive they are more prone to the whisper of shaitan.
Please elaborate.  Of course, as of right now i&#039;m just assuming this is your personal belief, since you used the precursor &quot;i believe.&quot;  if there is some sort of hadeeth about this than please enlighten me.  until then i&#039;m interested in hearing what you have to say (and really, im not offended, so please don&#039;t misjudge my tone).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a very nice article.  good job.</p>
<p>brother yasir, i was interested in hearing you elaborate on two things which you mentioned:</p>
<p>1. Women should be consulted but we should not forget the status of women amongst themselves. Motherâ€™s opnion should come first followed by wife and so on.<br />
I understand that everyone in this world is placed in a sort of rank when it comes to various things like obedience, good treatment, etc.  But I do not understand how something like advice can be relegated to this same ranking system.  For example, a mother might deserve the best treatment and obedience, but what if she gives you bad advice on a particular subject, whereas your wife (or even you grown child) or father or brother gives you better advice?  Isn&#8217;t a person called upon to follow that advice which is best, regardless of where it is coming from?  </p>
<p>2. We should be smart enough to judge when a woman is right and when she is under the influence of shaitan, as I beleive they are more prone to the whisper of shaitan.<br />
Please elaborate.  Of course, as of right now i&#8217;m just assuming this is your personal belief, since you used the precursor &#8220;i believe.&#8221;  if there is some sort of hadeeth about this than please enlighten me.  until then i&#8217;m interested in hearing what you have to say (and really, im not offended, so please don&#8217;t misjudge my tone).</p>
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		<title>By: Yasir</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2010/03/27/obedience-to-a-womans-advice-causes-regret/#comment-62833</link>
		<dc:creator>Yasir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalamualaikum Wa Jazakallahu Khairan for this article. It has a lot of points and mashaAllah there are some wonderful responses. However, there is one point I do not see anyone comment on...
&quot;Anyone who looks into the Seerah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and at incidents such as this one will see that he used to talk to women, take their advice and act upon it if he thought it was a good idea, or at least listen to what they have to say regarding these worldly matters.&quot;

I am sure what I want to comment on is nothing new to anyone but it is always good to remind oneself. Women should be consulted but we should not forget the status of women amongst themselves. Mother&#039;s opnion should come first followed by wife and so on. We should be smart enough to judge when a woman is right and when she is under the influence of shaitan, as I beleive they are more prone to the whisper of shaitan.

It is commonly seen in our community that many men blind foldedly follow what women say and that leads them leaving their family, parents, old good friends and so on. More importantly, this is something typical of a married man. Be caring but CAUTIOUS too. The above story is of our mother and no woman today is even compared to the foot-dust of any of our mothers - Ummahaathul Mumineen.

JazakaAllahu Khairan

Wasalaam

Yasir</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalamualaikum Wa Jazakallahu Khairan for this article. It has a lot of points and mashaAllah there are some wonderful responses. However, there is one point I do not see anyone comment on&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Anyone who looks into the Seerah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and at incidents such as this one will see that he used to talk to women, take their advice and act upon it if he thought it was a good idea, or at least listen to what they have to say regarding these worldly matters.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am sure what I want to comment on is nothing new to anyone but it is always good to remind oneself. Women should be consulted but we should not forget the status of women amongst themselves. Mother&#8217;s opnion should come first followed by wife and so on. We should be smart enough to judge when a woman is right and when she is under the influence of shaitan, as I beleive they are more prone to the whisper of shaitan.</p>
<p>It is commonly seen in our community that many men blind foldedly follow what women say and that leads them leaving their family, parents, old good friends and so on. More importantly, this is something typical of a married man. Be caring but CAUTIOUS too. The above story is of our mother and no woman today is even compared to the foot-dust of any of our mothers &#8211; Ummahaathul Mumineen.</p>
<p>JazakaAllahu Khairan</p>
<p>Wasalaam</p>
<p>Yasir</p>
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		<title>By: RunningMuslimah</title>
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		<dc:creator>RunningMuslimah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Masha Allah, I love this article! I remember Shaykh AbdulBary Yahya telling us the story of Umm Salamah&#039;s advice to Rasulullah (SAW) in the Seerah class. Such a great piece, I will be sharing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Masha Allah, I love this article! I remember Shaykh AbdulBary Yahya telling us the story of Umm Salamah&#8217;s advice to Rasulullah (SAW) in the Seerah class. Such a great piece, I will be sharing this.</p>
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		<title>By: Nahyan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nahyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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