Islam is peace(salamti) for every living being unless someone claims to be treated in a punitive manner. I could nt c this video but i had seen many like em n unfortunately i met a number of guys like the one mentioned in here. i almost read all the comments n views n responses n a few quarrels also in which people want us to get involved.
Look The Islam never came in particular for any Shia or Sunni this has come for the whole humanity the whole universe(Aalimeen) n Hazoor e Akram SAW very clearly stated that ” amongst u the muslim is with whose hands or tongue none other muslim gets hurt” to me thats the defination of a Muslim n now if we look arround we can very clearly c how many muslims v are or who all r the muslims around us. instead v waste our energies on claiming to b shias or sunnis or blaming each other we must understand n unite n identify who is the one or wat is it that is making us kill each other or making such suicide bombers get born n kill so many innocents.
As for as the talibans r concerned, not all of them are bad or ruthless. the one who posted it was rite in saying so that he is not a black water mercenary or an outsider but b sure that the ones who trained him are the ones who r either being paid by the external forces or are the top agents of such agencies like CIA< Black water, RAW, Mossad. we must know that these agencies dun do nuthin in haste they prepared agents who can speak local languages with all the local rituals n customs n traditions n then floated them in with gud amount of money. most of there training centers are formed at such distant n remote places in the name of madrissahs that a commoner can not think of going there n their agents move around in the garb of hard core muslims to hunt for the talent n then they bring em there n train em in a way that the results we can all c. an hour earlier a blast took place in a bus at Shahrah e Faisal Karachi which was carrying the mourners for juloos.
well wat we need to do now is to identify the enemy n use our energies to get united aginst the identified enemy. for killers it matters nuthin weather a sunni has died or a shia embraced the death n tell u one thing that after the blasts the pieces of flesh dun claim to b a shia or suni they give the same look so please please come out of it n use ur energies to find out the killers.
Another thing, Try to be a gud human n u ll automatically become a gud muslim.

Love u all n Allah May Bless u all with His Kindest Blessings n the needs u all have (Ameen)

Brother Abu Ayesha Al Emarati.

I like the way how you discredited “SPUBS and TROID et al” that they are an extreme and then turn around to compliment and say that “MuslimMatters is a Salafi-centric blog”

To some (salafis), MM (and the shuyukh behind it) are the opposite extreme of SPUBS and TROID (on the salafi spectrum).

While some salafis have gone as far as refuting other salafi shuyukh because of minor disagreements, you see other salafis going as far as accepting some of the deviant sects and uniting with the misguided shuyukh instead of refuting them.

Perhaps the Truth and the correct path is somewhere in between those two extremes, and salafis should all go back and unite upon that moderate path again.

Allah knows best.

I’ll admit that the Taliban were able to provide security…at a price of course.

Thanks for admitting this. The price was not cheap either, I think most agree. But what would one prefer: burqa due to government sanction (but safety) or burqa due to fear of rape? That’s just one example of a choice that everyday Afghanis are indeed making, and I think many preferred the former.

From my vantage, it almost comes down to lesser of the two evils when it comes to dictatorship/authoritarian rule vs. anarchy and “false democracy”… Most common people share a comon theme with all of us, regardless of their ethnicity or religion. They prefer to give up a lot of liberty for order. Taliban provided that in addition to getting rid of drugs, even if it came with a lot of unfortunate baggage. You even see this in America where people will be willing to give up all sorts of rights if it comes to their individual security. Similarly, one has to think really hard if Iraq was better off with Saddam… and I think most people, even in the West, and even on the ground, probably prefer a ruthless (and SECULAR by the way) ruler like Saddam than the puppet show and insecurity in Iraq right now.

Eventually, the Taliban will be brought into the government somehow (as you also suggest), and hopefully with checks and balances, what was good of them can be part (not all) of a brighter future for all of Afghanistan’s people, including all the ethnic minorities and sects.

I don’t mind their representation either, but if they lose out, then they better not resort to bomb attacks as the Taliban in NWFP have been doing since the MMA lost out to the ANP last year.

“Unfortunately, what is in the way of this is that a good portion of the country does want the Taliban back simply because they see them as the only force resisting occupation. Afghans would prefer an indigenous tyrant over a foreign liberator.”

The only Afghans would want are Pashtuns. Again, Hazaras welcomed the US invasion since they received more rights than in any time in their history.

“Have you? I spoke to Uzbeks from Baghlan in 2001 and they stated that they felt more secure under the Taliban and they are the smallest minority in Baghlan along with the Hazaras.”

I’ll admit that the Taliban were able to provide security…at a price of course.

“You keep repeating this like a mantra, but you still never replied as to how the Pashtuns of Wardak, as just one of many examples, elected HAZARAS to represent them in the Wolesi Jirga. Wardak is 60% Pashtun, yet 3 or their 5 elected representatives are Hazaras. Please explain that.”

You keep parroting Wardak, which is most likely an anomaly. Still doesn’t change the fact that Hazaras were historically discriminated and hated against. And again, I did not get this from the Kite Runner, but from speaking to Hazaras who fled the Taliban’s rule in Melbourne, AU.

“It is true that Hazaras’ social status in Afghanistan is similar to that of the Blacks of America. Yet, while we all acknowledge that the Blacks have suffered greatly, the Hazaras haven’t been through anything even remotely close. So to portray that the Hazaras were victims of genocide and slavery in Afghanistan is just absurd.”

That is amusing. You downplay the sufferings of Hazaras while you fail to note that genocide and slavery DID occur. Abdur Rahman Khan invaded Hazarajat in the 1890s and tried to forcibly convert the Hazaras to Sunni Islam. Why else would there be large Hazara diaspora communities in Mashad, Iran, and Quetta, Pakistan? They were clearly victims of genocide not just by the Taliban but by Abdur Rahman Khan.

Here’s some food for thought:

By sending Sunni clerics to every village in Hazarajat Abd -al Rahman forced the Shiite Hazaras to attend Sunni mosques and abandon Shiism. He imposed tougher regulations on Hazaras by forcing them to pay heavy taxes. For instance, from 500 families in Ajristan each well-to-do family was forced to pay 40 Sir (6.7 Kg) wheat while the poor ones paid three Afs, each. In Daya Fulad, Zawuli and Sepai districts the state collected Afs. 80,000 and forced the Hazara girls into marriage. In the Shikhali district an estimated 7,000 head of cattle were taken away from Hazaras and 350 men and women of the Jaghori district had been sold at Kabul markets each at the price of 20-21 As. Abd al- Rahman’s brutal suppression compelled a large number of Hazaras to seek refuge in Iran. Pakistan and Russia, Abd al-Rehman could only succeed in subjugating Hazaras and conquering their land when he effectively utilized internal differences within the Hazara community, co-opting sold-out Hazara chiefs into his bureaucratic sales of the enslaved Hazara men, women and children in 1897, the Hazaras remained de facto slaves until King Amanullah declared Afghanistan’s independence in 1919.

“Also, the prejudice against them is NOT reserved to Pashtuns, but to almost everyone in Afghanistan, primarily Tajiks, Uzbeks, and Pashtuns. They all treat Hazaras similarly to how Blacks are treated in the USA. Some parts of the USA treat Blacks well where they are in high concentrations and some parts of the USA treat Blacks poorly where they are tiny minorities. The same goes for Hazaras in Afghanistan. There’s no slavery and there’s no genocide.”

Again, read the excerpt above if you’re still in denial.

“There’s a social stigma against them that goes back 1000 years to the Mongol invasions. Also, any Afghan (or anyone even familiar with Afghan society) knows that both Pashtuns and Tajiks alike refer to any Mongoloid featured Afghan as “Azaara”. Uzbeks, Mongoloid looking Tajiks such as are common in Badakhshan, Turkomen, etc are all called “Azaara” by the Tajiks and Pashtuns alike. It is not a prejudice against the Hazara race as much as it is a resentment to the Mongol invasions and decimation that is residual to this day. Hazaras just happen to be the most Mongoloid looking of all ethnicities in Afghanistan.”

So why is it that every Pashtun wants all Hazaras sent back to Mongolia? Like it or not, it is a sentiment espoused by a lot of Pashtuns. Pashtuns hate Hazaras simply because Hazaras are hard-working people who are not opposed to females being educated.

“You also seem to completely gloss over the heinous crimes committed by the Hazaras under the banners of Hizb-e-Wahdat. Also, Dostum is half Hazara so Jumbish had a large Hazara following. Why are you silent about significant Hazara war crimes? Are they justified in your eyes?”

Can you cite me a Hazara war crime that comes close to Mazar-i-Sharif, Yakaolang, and Robotok?

Your arguments are similar to how Serbs use when they try to bring up Muslim crimes in Bosnia, ignoring the fact that they committed the bulk of the heinous crimes. It’s quite hypocritical for Muslims to adopt such an absurd position to place blame on the victim.

“Newsflash Dan: Hazaras aren’t 100% Shi`ah. The Taymani and Aymaqs are Sunni in spite of aggressive Iranian sponsored Shi`ite missionary activity amongst them. Most Hazaras in Ghor and Badghis are Sunni. Many Hazaras are Ismaili and outcasted by both the Shi`as and the Sunnis.”

The Aymaqs don’t even consider themselves to be Hazara for crying out loud.

“Frankly speaking, and with all due respect, I just don’t think you are as familiar with the demographics you are screaming about as you’d like everyone to think.”

With all due respect, I think you are in denial about the extent of the crimes that Pashtun Sunnis have committed against the Hazara. There is plenty of evidence to showcase that which is not derived simply from The Kite Runner.

Salaam

Yet, you keep spewing a lot of fallacious rhetoric and I wonder what perspective you’re coming from.

“Tell you what Amad, why don’t you go to Bamyan, Takhar, and Baghlan provinces and see if they want the Taliban back.”

Have you? I spoke to Uzbeks from Baghlan in 2001 and they stated that they felt more secure under the Taliban and they are the smallest minority in Baghlan along with the Hazaras.

“Hazaras suffered a lot under their rule, which is comparable to what the Israelis did to Gaza, yet you choose not to believe them.”

You keep repeating this like a mantra, but you still never replied as to how the Pashtuns of Wardak, as just one of many examples, elected HAZARAS to represent them in the Wolesi Jirga. Wardak is 60% Pashtun, yet 3 or their 5 elected representatives are Hazaras. Please explain that.

It is true that Hazaras’ social status in Afghanistan is similar to that of the Blacks of America. Yet, while we all acknowledge that the Blacks have suffered greatly, the Hazaras haven’t been through anything even remotely close. So to portray that the Hazaras were victims of genocide and slavery in Afghanistan is just absurd. Also, the prejudice against them is NOT reserved to Pashtuns, but to almost everyone in Afghanistan, primarily Tajiks, Uzbeks, and Pashtuns. They all treat Hazaras similarly to how Blacks are treated in the USA. Some parts of the USA treat Blacks well where they are in high concentrations and some parts of the USA treat Blacks poorly where they are tiny minorities. The same goes for Hazaras in Afghanistan. There’s no slavery and there’s no genocide. There’s a social stigma against them that goes back 1000 years to the Mongol invasions. Also, any Afghan (or anyone even familiar with Afghan society) knows that both Pashtuns and Tajiks alike refer to any Mongoloid featured Afghan as “Azaara”. Uzbeks, Mongoloid looking Tajiks such as are common in Badakhshan, Turkomen, etc are all called “Azaara” by the Tajiks and Pashtuns alike. It is not a prejudice against the Hazara race as much as it is a resentment to the Mongol invasions and decimation that is residual to this day. Hazaras just happen to be the most Mongoloid looking of all ethnicities in Afghanistan.

You also seem to completely gloss over the heinous crimes committed by the Hazaras under the banners of Hizb-e-Wahdat. Also, Dostum is half Hazara so Jumbish had a large Hazara following. Why are you silent about significant Hazara war crimes? Are they justified in your eyes?

“Newsflash Amad: Afghanistan isn’t 100% Sunni.”

Newsflash Dan: Hazaras aren’t 100% Shi`ah. The Taymani and Aymaqs are Sunni in spite of aggressive Iranian sponsored Shi`ite missionary activity amongst them. Most Hazaras in Ghor and Badghis are Sunni. Many Hazaras are Ismaili and outcasted by both the Shi`as and the Sunnis.

Frankly speaking, and with all due respect, I just don’t think you are as familiar with the demographics you are screaming about as you’d like everyone to think.