Comments on: Pucker Up! How To Kiss the Black Stone Every Time http://muslimmatters.org/2009/11/12/pucker-up-how-to-kiss-the-black-stone-every-time/ Discourses in the Intellectual Traditions, Political Situation, and Social Ethics of Muslim Life Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:55:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dayang http://muslimmatters.org/2009/11/12/pucker-up-how-to-kiss-the-black-stone-every-time/#comment-98480 Dayang Sat, 21 May 2011 07:44:19 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=9115#comment-98480 Reading this post and the comments was fun.=) So many ways,just to avoid the 'unislamic attitudes', inside the house of Allah.Ironic. It also brought back the memories I had when I tried kissing hajarul aswad during my umrah last year.I did it on my last day there.There is actually a 'service' by a group of ladies (mainly by Southeast Asian for SEA) to help you get through the crowds.They would usually hang around the stone area.They surrounded me and helped me pushed through the crowds until I get to the stone.People was pushing so super 'hard' and I have NEVER felt anything like it.But once you get your chance,I couldnt feel the chaos around me and I didnt even feel the struggle when I got out from the crowd.I guess I was speechless.I didnt know that it is a sunnah to actually touch and kiss it.My curiosity is what drove me to see and kiss it.If I had known it,I think I would appreciate it more.But Alhamdulillah still.Oh,I so hope that I got another chance to go there again.Would like to try this method=) Reading this post and the comments was fun.=) So many ways,just to avoid the ‘unislamic attitudes’, inside the house of Allah.Ironic.
It also brought back the memories I had when I tried kissing hajarul aswad during my umrah last year.I did it on my last day there.There is actually a ‘service’ by a group of ladies (mainly by Southeast Asian for SEA) to help you get through the crowds.They would usually hang around the stone area.They surrounded me and helped me pushed through the crowds until I get to the stone.People was pushing so super ‘hard’ and I have NEVER felt anything like it.But once you get your chance,I couldnt feel the chaos around me and I didnt even feel the struggle when I got out from the crowd.I guess I was speechless.I
didnt know that it is a sunnah to actually touch and kiss it.My curiosity is what drove me to see and kiss it.If I had known it,I think I would appreciate it more.But Alhamdulillah still.Oh,I so hope that I got another chance to go there again.Would like to try this method=)

]]> By: mrs khalida khanam ali http://muslimmatters.org/2009/11/12/pucker-up-how-to-kiss-the-black-stone-every-time/#comment-93742 mrs khalida khanam ali Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:07:22 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=9115#comment-93742 Assalamoalaikum-warahmatulla-wabarakatohu I have throughly laughed and enjoyed reading your advise in touching atleast the hajr-e-aswad. I have just returned from Umrah with my husband, and i am recovering from the trip. I haven't even been out since my body is so aching from soving and pushing, during and after touching the 'STONE'. Your tactictics are exactly what my husband used to get me there. He didn't bother himself doing it as he was just procting me from pushing. During all this he lost is Ehram then he just managed to pull it up by his feet. I wear glasses and during all this he told me to take it off but i just couldn't. Although it is a good advise for glass wearers. After we came out my white hejab was yellow i still haven't washed it yet and it smells devine. Another thing i noticed when i took my glasses off i could see the Kabba even more clearly where as i thought i won't beable to. But allhamdullilah we enjoyed our Umra throughly and hope Allah-subhana-talla invites us again soon for Hajj and all the Muslims of the world. Where else will we see all the proud Muslimms of the world. Jazakalla. Assalamoalaikum-warahmatulla-wabarakatohu
I have throughly laughed and enjoyed reading your advise in touching atleast the hajr-e-aswad. I have just returned from Umrah with my husband, and i am recovering from the trip. I haven’t even been out since my body is so aching from soving and pushing, during and after touching the ‘STONE’.
Your tactictics are exactly what my husband used to get me there. He didn’t bother himself doing it as he was just procting me from pushing. During all this he lost is Ehram then he just managed to pull it up by his feet. I wear glasses and during all this he told me to take it off but i just couldn’t. Although it is a good advise for glass wearers. After we came out my white hejab was yellow i still haven’t washed it yet and it smells devine. Another thing i noticed when i took my glasses off i could see the Kabba even more clearly
where as i thought i won’t beable to. But allhamdullilah we enjoyed our Umra throughly and hope Allah-subhana-talla invites us again soon for Hajj and all the Muslims of the world. Where else will we see all the proud Muslimms of the world. Jazakalla.

]]> By: Shibli Zaman http://muslimmatters.org/2009/11/12/pucker-up-how-to-kiss-the-black-stone-every-time/#comment-91069 Shibli Zaman Thu, 17 Feb 2011 17:18:33 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=9115#comment-91069 Matthew, no violence results from the tradition of kissing the black stone. Again, it is a mere tradition, albeit a coveted one, and not an obigatory tenet of Islam. At Hajj time there are approximately 5 million or so people all gathered in one place. In spite of those large numbers, there is never any violence. People don't fight or hurt each other intentionally. Nonetheless, with such a mass crowd of people, unintentional harm does occur, as well as harm that occurrs due to some people's carelessness and disregard for others. Again, this is human nature. If you wish to contend with this, please do the research and come back to us with what you find. Keep in mind: 5 million or more people gathering in one place every year for 1500 years. How many incidents of violence will you find? You will be amazed at the absence of any rancour. When you have that many people in one place, it is ridiculous to assume that each and every person is going to be a perfect Muslim and follow everything in the religion as they should. Matthew, no violence results from the tradition of kissing the black stone. Again, it is a mere tradition, albeit a coveted one, and not an obigatory tenet of Islam.

At Hajj time there are approximately 5 million or so people all gathered in one place. In spite of those large numbers, there is never any violence. People don’t fight or hurt each other intentionally. Nonetheless, with such a mass crowd of people, unintentional harm does occur, as well as harm that occurrs due to some people’s carelessness and disregard for others. Again, this is human nature. If you wish to contend with this, please do the research and come back to us with what you find. Keep in mind: 5 million or more people gathering in one place every year for 1500 years. How many incidents of violence will you find? You will be amazed at the absence of any rancour.

When you have that many people in one place, it is ridiculous to assume that each and every person is going to be a perfect Muslim and follow everything in the religion as they should.

]]> By: Shibli Zaman http://muslimmatters.org/2009/11/12/pucker-up-how-to-kiss-the-black-stone-every-time/#comment-91067 Shibli Zaman Thu, 17 Feb 2011 17:13:30 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=9115#comment-91067 Matthew, who is this "we" you speak of? America was founded upon principles of an indiscriminate religious and ethnic pluralism. So I think you're better of stating "<strong>I</strong> don't want, etc." Furthermore, to your second point, I don't think God will be destroying anything or anyone in Heaven (Luke 20:36). Matthew, who is this “we” you speak of? America was founded upon principles of an indiscriminate religious and ethnic pluralism. So I think you’re better of stating “I don’t want, etc.”

Furthermore, to your second point, I don’t think God will be destroying anything or anyone in Heaven (Luke 20:36).

]]> By: Shibli Zaman http://muslimmatters.org/2009/11/12/pucker-up-how-to-kiss-the-black-stone-every-time/#comment-91066 Shibli Zaman Thu, 17 Feb 2011 17:06:41 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=9115#comment-91066 Matthew, this is innate human behavior and no one religion is responsible for the ugliness that can manifest from our base instincts. Religion, be it Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc, seeks to control those instincts. So when I watch the news and see a Church Pastor arrested for molesting little boys and girls, I don't blame Christianity. I blame the base animalistic desires that Christianity (and almost all religions) are wont to curtail. Matthew, this is innate human behavior and no one religion is responsible for the ugliness that can manifest from our base instincts. Religion, be it Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc, seeks to control those instincts.

So when I watch the news and see a Church Pastor arrested for molesting little boys and girls, I don’t blame Christianity. I blame the base animalistic desires that Christianity (and almost all religions) are wont to curtail.

]]> By: Matthew http://muslimmatters.org/2009/11/12/pucker-up-how-to-kiss-the-black-stone-every-time/#comment-91064 Matthew Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:31:12 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=9115#comment-91064 "All good comes from Allah?" Are you kidding me? tell me how kissing a rock, that results in violence is good. “All good comes from Allah?”

Are you kidding me? tell me how kissing a rock, that results in violence is good.

]]> By: Matthew http://muslimmatters.org/2009/11/12/pucker-up-how-to-kiss-the-black-stone-every-time/#comment-91063 Matthew Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:29:47 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=9115#comment-91063 next time you go back, stay back. we dont want you or the filthy "religion" you represent here. I can only hope is that God will destroy you in heaven, and show you the true face of your practices. You have to be blind not to see them next time you go back, stay back. we dont want you or the filthy “religion” you represent here. I can only hope is that God will destroy you in heaven, and show you the true face of your practices. You have to be blind not to see them

]]> By: Matthew http://muslimmatters.org/2009/11/12/pucker-up-how-to-kiss-the-black-stone-every-time/#comment-91062 Matthew Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:26:48 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=9115#comment-91062 Sad... what kind of "religion" allows this behavior toward it's women. Sad… what kind of “religion” allows this behavior toward it’s women.

]]> By: muuni http://muslimmatters.org/2009/11/12/pucker-up-how-to-kiss-the-black-stone-every-time/#comment-73332 muuni Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:24:06 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=9115#comment-73332 i shall try it when i go umrah i.A.. i shall try it when i go umrah i.A..

]]> By: Amad http://muslimmatters.org/2009/11/12/pucker-up-how-to-kiss-the-black-stone-every-time/#comment-67733 Amad Sun, 30 May 2010 06:32:18 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=9115#comment-67733 jazakallahkahir Shibli for the updates... it's good you are preserving these ideas when still fresh in your memory... re: moonwalk... that's funny you mentioned it. My wife and I were tired of carrying our little 4-year old, so she basically sat on her knees and we just slid her around... she had a blast! jazakallahkahir Shibli for the updates… it’s good you are preserving these ideas when still fresh in your memory…

re: moonwalk… that’s funny you mentioned it. My wife and I were tired of carrying our little 4-year old, so she basically sat on her knees and we just slid her around… she had a blast!

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