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	<title>Comments on: With Scholars Like Theseâ€¦ &#8211; Yasir Qadhi on &#8220;Shaykh al-Azhar&#8221; Tantawi / Niqaab Incident</title>
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		<title>By: Love, Images, and Islamic Jurisprudence &#171; SON OF A DUCK</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/10/07/with-scholars-like-these/#comment-57948</link>
		<dc:creator>Love, Images, and Islamic Jurisprudence &#171; SON OF A DUCK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m reminded, fifteen hundred words later, of Sheikh Tantawi&#8217;s October controversy over the niqab: after telling a niqabiyya girl to remove her veil (and her refusing repeatedly, until at last giving in), the Sheikh was reported to have said, once he saw her (from Muslimmatters.org): [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;m reminded, fifteen hundred words later, of Sheikh Tantawi&#8217;s October controversy over the niqab: after telling a niqabiyya girl to remove her veil (and her refusing repeatedly, until at last giving in), the Sheikh was reported to have said, once he saw her (from Muslimmatters.org): [...]</p>
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		<title>By: On the unfortunate niqab controversy in Al Azhar and Egypt &#171; ajeeb.</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/10/07/with-scholars-like-these/#comment-51231</link>
		<dc:creator>On the unfortunate niqab controversy in Al Azhar and Egypt &#171; ajeeb.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 06:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in I&#039;d Like to Share, Islam by Essam on October 10, 2009   Yasir Qadhi&#8217;s response: http://muslimmatters.org/2009/10/07/with-scholars-like-these/ Al Jazeera English news clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOX2w0n5n4U      leave a comment    [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in I&#39;d Like to Share, Islam by Essam on October 10, 2009   Yasir Qadhi&#8217;s response: <a href="http://muslimmatters.org/2009/10/07/with-scholars-like-these/" rel="nofollow">http://muslimmatters.org/2009/10/07/with-scholars-like-these/</a> Al Jazeera English news clip: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOX2w0n5n4U" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOX2w0n5n4U</a>      leave a comment    [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MM Associates</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/10/07/with-scholars-like-these/#comment-51175</link>
		<dc:creator>MM Associates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Ahmad al-Farsi, my only worry is that we also had similar occurrence with the Michael Jackson issue.

&lt;em&gt;-J.Hashmi&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Ahmad al-Farsi, my only worry is that we also had similar occurrence with the Michael Jackson issue.</p>
<p><em>-J.Hashmi</em></p>
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		<title>By: MM Associates</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/10/07/with-scholars-like-these/#comment-51174</link>
		<dc:creator>MM Associates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Siraaj:
&lt;blockquote&gt;If so, I&#039;d like to know what the appropriate time and place is that I can use sarcasm like this to humorously point out the failings of others.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t think the sarcasm is the problem.  It&#039;s the taunting and mockery that is.

&lt;em&gt;-J.Hashmi&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Siraaj:</p>
<blockquote><p>If so, I&#8217;d like to know what the appropriate time and place is that I can use sarcasm like this to humorously point out the failings of others.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the sarcasm is the problem.  It&#8217;s the taunting and mockery that is.</p>
<p><em>-J.Hashmi</em></p>
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		<title>By: MM Associates</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/10/07/with-scholars-like-these/#comment-51173</link>
		<dc:creator>MM Associates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the two comments above mine, both of them (Peacerose and Poor One) have opposing views, but both claim that it is a &quot;sign of the end of times.&quot;  Really, we Muslims have the flair for the melodramatic.

Peacerose says:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Quite simply, one of the signs of the day of judgement is that the scholars will decrease in number , thereby taking the knowledge with them. Result??? DAJJALS AGENTS TAKE OVER.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You&#039;re at a 10, when you need to be at a 2, or a maximum at a 4.  &quot;Dajjal agents take over.&quot; Overstatement maybe? Taking it way over the top perhaps?

Poor One has an opposite view of PeaceRose, yet also concludes that:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Another hujjah and proof that one of the signs of the day of judgment as in Saheeh hadeeth, people watching sin being committed and don&#039;t even stop it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You really think that this single event is a &quot;hujjah&quot; for the signs of the end of times?  &quot;Hujjah&quot; is a very strong term!

My comment has nothing really to do with what side you are on (i.e. either supporting or opposing Sh. Tantawi).  It really has to do with the fact that we tend to speak in religious hyperbole all the time.  Even the du&#039;as invoked by some are just way overboard.  It reminds me of the language used in Civilization (a computer game) in which medieval rulers would address the leaders of enemy nation-states, i.e. overly flowery, melodramatic language that just looks silly in the twenty-first century.

Anyways, even if one views niqab as something &quot;only cultural,&quot; why the need to ban it in all-girls schools?  Surely those who banned it were familiar with what has happened in France; didn&#039;t they have enough common sense to know what kind of message this would send to non-Muslims? i.e. even the Muslims are banning it in their schools.  

Additionally, Sh. Tantawi may have a point that a girl doesn&#039;t need to wear niqab in an all-girls school.  But then he asked her to remove it in front of HIM. Correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but Sh. Tantawi is not a girl.  

&lt;em&gt;-J.Hashmi&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the two comments above mine, both of them (Peacerose and Poor One) have opposing views, but both claim that it is a &#8220;sign of the end of times.&#8221;  Really, we Muslims have the flair for the melodramatic.</p>
<p>Peacerose says:</p>
<blockquote><p>Quite simply, one of the signs of the day of judgement is that the scholars will decrease in number , thereby taking the knowledge with them. Result??? DAJJALS AGENTS TAKE OVER.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re at a 10, when you need to be at a 2, or a maximum at a 4.  &#8220;Dajjal agents take over.&#8221; Overstatement maybe? Taking it way over the top perhaps?</p>
<p>Poor One has an opposite view of PeaceRose, yet also concludes that:</p>
<blockquote><p>Another hujjah and proof that one of the signs of the day of judgment as in Saheeh hadeeth, people watching sin being committed and don&#8217;t even stop it.</p></blockquote>
<p>You really think that this single event is a &#8220;hujjah&#8221; for the signs of the end of times?  &#8220;Hujjah&#8221; is a very strong term!</p>
<p>My comment has nothing really to do with what side you are on (i.e. either supporting or opposing Sh. Tantawi).  It really has to do with the fact that we tend to speak in religious hyperbole all the time.  Even the du&#8217;as invoked by some are just way overboard.  It reminds me of the language used in Civilization (a computer game) in which medieval rulers would address the leaders of enemy nation-states, i.e. overly flowery, melodramatic language that just looks silly in the twenty-first century.</p>
<p>Anyways, even if one views niqab as something &#8220;only cultural,&#8221; why the need to ban it in all-girls schools?  Surely those who banned it were familiar with what has happened in France; didn&#8217;t they have enough common sense to know what kind of message this would send to non-Muslims? i.e. even the Muslims are banning it in their schools.  </p>
<p>Additionally, Sh. Tantawi may have a point that a girl doesn&#8217;t need to wear niqab in an all-girls school.  But then he asked her to remove it in front of HIM. Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but Sh. Tantawi is not a girl.  </p>
<p><em>-J.Hashmi</em></p>
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		<title>By: Muslimah Media Watch &#187; Friday Links &#8212; October 9, 2009</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/10/07/with-scholars-like-these/#comment-51171</link>
		<dc:creator>Muslimah Media Watch &#187; Friday Links &#8212; October 9, 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] niqab bias (and we will be too, so stay tuned!): the Telegraph, AFP, The Majlis, The Daily Beast,Â  MuslimMatters, VOA, New Statesman, and more from [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] niqab bias (and we will be too, so stay tuned!): the Telegraph, AFP, The Majlis, The Daily Beast,Â  MuslimMatters, VOA, New Statesman, and more from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: unemployed</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/10/07/with-scholars-like-these/#comment-51168</link>
		<dc:creator>unemployed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The harm Mr. Azhar has caused is just too much to bear. We have to discuss about this wise scholar,  who has strengthen the agenda of the western countries to ban niqab. Today he spoke about niqab, tomorrow (Allah forbid) he might speak about hijab. Therefore, I don&#039;t see anyway out except for speaking about Mr. Azhar, or as you cite do &quot;gheeba&quot; about him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The harm Mr. Azhar has caused is just too much to bear. We have to discuss about this wise scholar,  who has strengthen the agenda of the western countries to ban niqab. Today he spoke about niqab, tomorrow (Allah forbid) he might speak about hijab. Therefore, I don&#8217;t see anyway out except for speaking about Mr. Azhar, or as you cite do &#8220;gheeba&#8221; about him.</p>
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		<title>By: I Got It Covered - Online Community Supporting Hijab &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Egypt cleric &#8216;to ban full veils&#8217; &#38; Shaykh Yasir Qadhi&#8217;s reply to this issue</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/10/07/with-scholars-like-these/#comment-51165</link>
		<dc:creator>I Got It Covered - Online Community Supporting Hijab &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Egypt cleric &#8216;to ban full veils&#8217; &#38; Shaykh Yasir Qadhi&#8217;s reply to this issue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I can say is: with scholars like theseâ€¦.who needs the French?!&#8221; Shaykh Yasir Qadhi . Read his complete reply to this issue      (No Ratings Yet) &#160;Loading [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I can say is: with scholars like theseâ€¦.who needs the French?!&#8221; Shaykh Yasir Qadhi . Read his complete reply to this issue      (No Ratings Yet) &nbsp;Loading [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmad AlFarsi</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/10/07/with-scholars-like-these/#comment-51164</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmad AlFarsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt the genuineness of that article. Sh. Yasir said in his article that the events have been related by many trustworthy Muslim sources in addition to the media... simply because one article says otherwise, or Tantawi might be bactracking, doesn&#039;t change what probably transpired....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt the genuineness of that article. Sh. Yasir said in his article that the events have been related by many trustworthy Muslim sources in addition to the media&#8230; simply because one article says otherwise, or Tantawi might be bactracking, doesn&#8217;t change what probably transpired&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmad AlFarsi</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/10/07/with-scholars-like-these/#comment-51163</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmad AlFarsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt the genuineness of that article.  Sh. Yasir said in his article that the events have been related by many trustworthy Muslim sources in addition to the media...  simply because one article says otherwise, or Tantawi might be bactracking, doesn&#039;t change what probably transpired...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt the genuineness of that article.  Sh. Yasir said in his article that the events have been related by many trustworthy Muslim sources in addition to the media&#8230;  simply because one article says otherwise, or Tantawi might be bactracking, doesn&#8217;t change what probably transpired&#8230;</p>
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