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	<title>Comments on: Lying For Knowledge? Fixing the Masjid Announcements Problem</title>
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		<title>By: muslimsister</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/06/16/lying-for-knowledge-fixing-the-masjid-announcements-problem/#comment-45129</link>
		<dc:creator>muslimsister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our masjid follows your 2nd option. For businesses, they pay the masjid so they can post something up. The bulletin is encased in glass and has a lock so anything can&#039;t be just put up. Its a great way to control what gets put up and generate some funds for the masjid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our masjid follows your 2nd option. For businesses, they pay the masjid so they can post something up. The bulletin is encased in glass and has a lock so anything can&#8217;t be just put up. Its a great way to control what gets put up and generate some funds for the masjid.</p>
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		<title>By: Ibn Masood</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/06/16/lying-for-knowledge-fixing-the-masjid-announcements-problem/#comment-45123</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibn Masood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 03:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unbelievable...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbelievable&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hasan G.</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/06/16/lying-for-knowledge-fixing-the-masjid-announcements-problem/#comment-45095</link>
		<dc:creator>Hasan G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you have a masjid fundraising dinner at 8pm next Friday, is it fair to say you won’t make Juma announcements for another event on the same date/time&quot;

Salam,

Recently we had this same problem at the Masjid. There was a Family Night going on, and on the same day there were 3 other events going on. All of them wanted exposure at Jumah, and so we gave it to them. If there is choice in which events you can go to, then all the better. It makes the Muslim population in that area feel more empowered and really helps people feel included. When it comes to Jumah announcements, I strongly feel that to have just one person very un-emphatically announce everything is just wrong. People who are passionate about the event should be given the time to go and appeal to the people (albeit in a short time period) so as long as the announcement has been screened before hand for objectionable material/speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you have a masjid fundraising dinner at 8pm next Friday, is it fair to say you won’t make Juma announcements for another event on the same date/time&#8221;</p>
<p>Salam,</p>
<p>Recently we had this same problem at the Masjid. There was a Family Night going on, and on the same day there were 3 other events going on. All of them wanted exposure at Jumah, and so we gave it to them. If there is choice in which events you can go to, then all the better. It makes the Muslim population in that area feel more empowered and really helps people feel included. When it comes to Jumah announcements, I strongly feel that to have just one person very un-emphatically announce everything is just wrong. People who are passionate about the event should be given the time to go and appeal to the people (albeit in a short time period) so as long as the announcement has been screened before hand for objectionable material/speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Danish Hasan</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/06/16/lying-for-knowledge-fixing-the-masjid-announcements-problem/#comment-45092</link>
		<dc:creator>Danish Hasan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh this si simple...

If he had permission from the &#039;Shyakh/Imam&#039;, why would he ask you?

I&#039;m in Houston....
in particular order

ISGH Stamp or Masjid official Signature on one of the cards/posters means its okay

see that event on the official announcement list means its okay...

if ur part of the board, just call up the other board members and ask shura and see what they say and let him do it if its cool.....

worse comes to worse, make independent ijtihad of the issue and asses the arms and benefits

allahu&#039;Alam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh this si simple&#8230;</p>
<p>If he had permission from the &#8216;Shyakh/Imam&#8217;, why would he ask you?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in Houston&#8230;.<br />
in particular order</p>
<p>ISGH Stamp or Masjid official Signature on one of the cards/posters means its okay</p>
<p>see that event on the official announcement list means its okay&#8230;</p>
<p>if ur part of the board, just call up the other board members and ask shura and see what they say and let him do it if its cool&#8230;..</p>
<p>worse comes to worse, make independent ijtihad of the issue and asses the arms and benefits</p>
<p>allahu&#8217;Alam</p>
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		<title>By: Dawud Israel</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/06/16/lying-for-knowledge-fixing-the-masjid-announcements-problem/#comment-45074</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawud Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 05:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ibnabeeomar: 
Jazaka Allahu khayran for bringing up something relevant! Masha Allah! 

Some of the masajid in Toronto use online booking forms. You simply go online and book the relevant facilities on the masjid website. Websites like http://torontomuslims.com/ come in handy also (there is one for Houston and Chicago I believe). All in all, the stronger the community, the less likely these things are to be an issue. 

Personally, I do not think marketing is an Islamic science, nor should we try and make it one. Fliers are nothing but pollution, we don&#039;t even read them- and I wonder how much benefit these events even have on the community...they never seem to go as we want them to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ibnabeeomar:<br />
Jazaka Allahu khayran for bringing up something relevant! Masha Allah! </p>
<p>Some of the masajid in Toronto use online booking forms. You simply go online and book the relevant facilities on the masjid website. Websites like <a href="http://torontomuslims.com/" rel="nofollow">http://torontomuslims.com/</a> come in handy also (there is one for Houston and Chicago I believe). All in all, the stronger the community, the less likely these things are to be an issue. </p>
<p>Personally, I do not think marketing is an Islamic science, nor should we try and make it one. Fliers are nothing but pollution, we don&#8217;t even read them- and I wonder how much benefit these events even have on the community&#8230;they never seem to go as we want them to.</p>
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		<title>By: Maverick</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/06/16/lying-for-knowledge-fixing-the-masjid-announcements-problem/#comment-45071</link>
		<dc:creator>Maverick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.

As soon as I read the original post, I thought of many masaajid Ive already been to where written permission is required from Masjid authorities, on a copy of the actual flyer or poster being put up or distributed. 

That way you can&#039;t just make a verbal claim, or imply that a slip of paper granting permission is for ABC collateral when in fact it is for XYZ. 

As for your other question - who decides what is &quot;Islamic&quot; or not - there should be a plain, clear public notice that final decision rests with the masjid authorities. They can refuse to allow aforementioned advertising without reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.</p>
<p>As soon as I read the original post, I thought of many masaajid Ive already been to where written permission is required from Masjid authorities, on a copy of the actual flyer or poster being put up or distributed. </p>
<p>That way you can&#8217;t just make a verbal claim, or imply that a slip of paper granting permission is for ABC collateral when in fact it is for XYZ. </p>
<p>As for your other question &#8211; who decides what is &#8220;Islamic&#8221; or not &#8211; there should be a plain, clear public notice that final decision rests with the masjid authorities. They can refuse to allow aforementioned advertising without reason.</p>
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		<title>By: thinker</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/06/16/lying-for-knowledge-fixing-the-masjid-announcements-problem/#comment-45069</link>
		<dc:creator>thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to highlight the added troubles sisters often face when trying to advertise events at masjids. I am often told speak to the Imam ( not very accessible) so then I am given his email address or his designate&#039;s address. And ofcourse the email is often not replied to, or sometimes after the event. 
The only real way I find is to locate the Imam&#039;s wife and have her speak to him, which quite frankly I am not fond of doing. I don&#039;t want to disturb the wife, I just wish the designated methods were actually affective. 
Its great in theory to say, email the info to the imam, but inshallah lets find someone to check his email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to highlight the added troubles sisters often face when trying to advertise events at masjids. I am often told speak to the Imam ( not very accessible) so then I am given his email address or his designate&#8217;s address. And ofcourse the email is often not replied to, or sometimes after the event.<br />
The only real way I find is to locate the Imam&#8217;s wife and have her speak to him, which quite frankly I am not fond of doing. I don&#8217;t want to disturb the wife, I just wish the designated methods were actually affective.<br />
Its great in theory to say, email the info to the imam, but inshallah lets find someone to check his email.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Ibrahim</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/06/16/lying-for-knowledge-fixing-the-masjid-announcements-problem/#comment-45064</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Ibrahim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Allow people to decide for themselves &lt;/strong&gt;which event or class they would like to attend, in the end it is all about &lt;em&gt;growing in deen and knowledge&lt;/em&gt;. What if someone can genuinely benefit from the event you are withholding because you have an event (that they might not go to) at that same time?  In addition, communities should be trying there best to not let this happen anyway and denying another organization&#039;s right to flyer may cause greater division where their freedom to flyer may actually benefit people and encourage cooperation- it may even spark some healthy competition (like whose event can be the most beneficial to the people and professionally administered).  This being said all flyers must still be approved by the Imam or the one in charge of the event out of respect for the work that they put into it and the fact that &lt;em&gt;they are in charge&lt;/em&gt;, but they are advised to consider this advice. 

There are some events that come up that create debate among the community due to their possibly un-Islamic nature.  It is advised that we don&#039;t give our own fatwas about it, but rather consult a person of knowledge and act upon his or her advice. If there is a known deviant group, or one that conducts controversial events, in your community it would be advisable to have a 2-3 day prior notice for any flyering to give time to consult the right people about it and so you don&#039;t have to respond (with or without proper guidance) on the spot.  Allaahu ta&#039;Ala Alam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Allow people to decide for themselves </strong>which event or class they would like to attend, in the end it is all about <em>growing in deen and knowledge</em>. What if someone can genuinely benefit from the event you are withholding because you have an event (that they might not go to) at that same time?  In addition, communities should be trying there best to not let this happen anyway and denying another organization&#8217;s right to flyer may cause greater division where their freedom to flyer may actually benefit people and encourage cooperation- it may even spark some healthy competition (like whose event can be the most beneficial to the people and professionally administered).  This being said all flyers must still be approved by the Imam or the one in charge of the event out of respect for the work that they put into it and the fact that <em>they are in charge</em>, but they are advised to consider this advice. </p>
<p>There are some events that come up that create debate among the community due to their possibly un-Islamic nature.  It is advised that we don&#8217;t give our own fatwas about it, but rather consult a person of knowledge and act upon his or her advice. If there is a known deviant group, or one that conducts controversial events, in your community it would be advisable to have a 2-3 day prior notice for any flyering to give time to consult the right people about it and so you don&#8217;t have to respond (with or without proper guidance) on the spot.  Allaahu ta&#8217;Ala Alam.</p>
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		<title>By: ibnkhalil</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/06/16/lying-for-knowledge-fixing-the-masjid-announcements-problem/#comment-45055</link>
		<dc:creator>ibnkhalil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a recent trip to VA I decided to put flyers out for Shaykh Jamal&#039;s classes for the benefit of the community there as they could attend the lectures online. I casually walked in, offered salah with everyone and politely asked the main office if I could leave these fliers there and post some on the bulletin board, to my surprise, the brother replied, &quot;We have to get approval from the committee, you have to fill out this form, pay 25 dollars and then we can post it up.&quot; I was like &quot;I am here only for a day and leaving tomorrow, dont you know who Shaykh Jamal is, why would the committee need to review this?&quot; I mean what is there to review? The guy looked at me and directed me to another person. At this point I said to myself maybe I should just talk to the Imam otherwise I will just go in circles. 

I went to the Imam after asking around and explained my situation to him. He said leave them on the counter, I will post them. 

In short, the fliers must go through the Imam for review and then posted but this should be a fast process. It shouldn&#039;t take ages. Wallah u alam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a recent trip to VA I decided to put flyers out for Shaykh Jamal&#8217;s classes for the benefit of the community there as they could attend the lectures online. I casually walked in, offered salah with everyone and politely asked the main office if I could leave these fliers there and post some on the bulletin board, to my surprise, the brother replied, &#8220;We have to get approval from the committee, you have to fill out this form, pay 25 dollars and then we can post it up.&#8221; I was like &#8220;I am here only for a day and leaving tomorrow, dont you know who Shaykh Jamal is, why would the committee need to review this?&#8221; I mean what is there to review? The guy looked at me and directed me to another person. At this point I said to myself maybe I should just talk to the Imam otherwise I will just go in circles. </p>
<p>I went to the Imam after asking around and explained my situation to him. He said leave them on the counter, I will post them. </p>
<p>In short, the fliers must go through the Imam for review and then posted but this should be a fast process. It shouldn&#8217;t take ages. Wallah u alam</p>
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		<title>By: Zainab (AnonyMouse)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zainab (AnonyMouse)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best way to go is a strict system: 
Anyone wants to advertise something, they have to call, email, or personally present it to the Imam and/ or his specially designated assistants. ONLY with written proof of some kind can advertisements for Islamic events, etc. be put up. Have someone regularly check up once a week with all the advertising posters to verify that they&#039;re legit... if the people responsible for the posters don&#039;t have the approval paper, it comes down, no questions asked. 
Harsh, maybe, but it makes people realize the seriousness of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best way to go is a strict system:<br />
Anyone wants to advertise something, they have to call, email, or personally present it to the Imam and/ or his specially designated assistants. ONLY with written proof of some kind can advertisements for Islamic events, etc. be put up. Have someone regularly check up once a week with all the advertising posters to verify that they&#8217;re legit&#8230; if the people responsible for the posters don&#8217;t have the approval paper, it comes down, no questions asked.<br />
Harsh, maybe, but it makes people realize the seriousness of it.</p>
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