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		<title>By: ibnabeeomar</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/04/27/muslims-got-caught-cheating/#comment-42327</link>
		<dc:creator>ibnabeeomar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>putting a fork in it. comments closed :)

&lt;blockquote&gt;assalamu alaikum,
for everyone making comments about quality of MM articles, inshallah we will take your advices to heart and be more stringent in regards to what is published.

as for haythams article, i think he has already said it best himself that he has learned a lot from the comments on this article. i think we can all agree that it was well intentioned and shedding light on an issue not often discussed in our communities.

please let’s just remember to be just in our criticisms and naseehah, and also be patient with MM as we continue to grow as well 

jazakumallahu khayran&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>putting a fork in it. comments closed :)</p>
<blockquote><p>assalamu alaikum,<br />
for everyone making comments about quality of MM articles, inshallah we will take your advices to heart and be more stringent in regards to what is published.</p>
<p>as for haythams article, i think he has already said it best himself that he has learned a lot from the comments on this article. i think we can all agree that it was well intentioned and shedding light on an issue not often discussed in our communities.</p>
<p>please let’s just remember to be just in our criticisms and naseehah, and also be patient with MM as we continue to grow as well </p>
<p>jazakumallahu khayran</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Amatullah</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/04/27/muslims-got-caught-cheating/#comment-42323</link>
		<dc:creator>Amatullah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second Br. Bahader&#039;s request...</description>
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		<title>By: solutions</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/04/27/muslims-got-caught-cheating/#comment-42322</link>
		<dc:creator>solutions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to suggest to some of the commentators on this blog to be please be &lt;strong&gt;specific &lt;/strong&gt;as to what is bothering them concerning brother Haythem&#039;s post other than his credentials in voicing his thoughts and advice.  
Its only fair we be specific,and why we agree/disagree with his advice.  That just seems to be more of an appropriate discussion rather  than making general statements of discontent.   
Please read comments from this website.  It gives suggestions which correlate with Haythem&#039;s suggestions and they are from a psychologist point of view
http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi5525_qa.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to suggest to some of the commentators on this blog to be please be <strong>specific </strong>as to what is bothering them concerning brother Haythem&#8217;s post other than his credentials in voicing his thoughts and advice.<br />
Its only fair we be specific,and why we agree/disagree with his advice.  That just seems to be more of an appropriate discussion rather  than making general statements of discontent.<br />
Please read comments from this website.  It gives suggestions which correlate with Haythem&#8217;s suggestions and they are from a psychologist point of view<br />
<a href="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi5525_qa.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi5525_qa.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bahader</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/04/27/muslims-got-caught-cheating/#comment-42320</link>
		<dc:creator>Bahader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salamo aleikom!

My dear brother Haytham... I think it was a mistake from your side to write an article about such a controversy and serious subject. 

Leave this matter to scholars and the duat..

This subject can fool some people and trigger other, and anger third people. 

My advice to MuslimMatters admins is: 

PLEASE DELETE THIS ARTICLE BEFORE IT LEADS TO SOMETHING WORSE 

May Allah forgive you and us (especially me) =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salamo aleikom!</p>
<p>My dear brother Haytham&#8230; I think it was a mistake from your side to write an article about such a controversy and serious subject. </p>
<p>Leave this matter to scholars and the duat..</p>
<p>This subject can fool some people and trigger other, and anger third people. </p>
<p>My advice to MuslimMatters admins is: </p>
<p>PLEASE DELETE THIS ARTICLE BEFORE IT LEADS TO SOMETHING WORSE </p>
<p>May Allah forgive you and us (especially me) =)</p>
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		<title>By: ummOsayd</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/04/27/muslims-got-caught-cheating/#comment-42317</link>
		<dc:creator>ummOsayd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all those submitting openly rude, condescending comments which indirectly undermine author’s credentials and capabilities in addressing specific issue,

High academic credentials never gives authority to people over any subject and we have proof of this all around us, media and radio personals with high credentials convey only filth and lies. Credentials of Al-Hakam Ibn Hesham (also known by makkans as Abu Hakam father of wisdom), did not prevent Prophet (peace be upon him) from calling Ibn Hesham as Abu jahl, father of ignorance.
It’s really upsetting to see Muslims (I’m assuming the commentators are Muslims) making full effort to destroy or at least discourage and dishearten brother Haytham and his passion for writing even though, I’m sure everyone in their hearts know that he has good intentions behind this article. Instead of making suggestions to him privately so he can improve his writing and presentation skills, they are indirectly trying to convince MM that he should not be allowed to write for Muslim Matters. Everyone remembers the ugliness divorce brings to ones duniya but people who made malicious, rude, discouraging and underestimating remarks about brother, they don’t pay heed to numerous hadiths about the importance of brotherhood and antiquates one should have in dealing with their brother in Islam.
The Prophet (PBUH) said, &quot;He who believes in Allah and the Last Day must either speak good or remain silent.&#039;&#039;
[Muslim].
Someone asked the Messenger of Allah (PBUH): &quot;Who is the most excellent among the Muslims?&#039;&#039; He said, &quot;One from whose tongue and hands the other Muslims are secure.&#039;&#039;
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].
Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: I heard the Prophet (PBUH) saying, &quot;A person utters a word thoughtlessly (i.e., without thinking about its being good or not) and, as a result of this, he will fall down into the fire of Hell deeper than the distance between the east and the west.&#039;&#039;
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

As far as those who are criticizing with indirect mockingly suggestive statements, I bet even William Shakespeare (who only had 7 years of formal education up till age 14, never was able to attend university) can’t pull an A if you would grade him based on his academic credentials/expertise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all those submitting openly rude, condescending comments which indirectly undermine author’s credentials and capabilities in addressing specific issue,</p>
<p>High academic credentials never gives authority to people over any subject and we have proof of this all around us, media and radio personals with high credentials convey only filth and lies. Credentials of Al-Hakam Ibn Hesham (also known by makkans as Abu Hakam father of wisdom), did not prevent Prophet (peace be upon him) from calling Ibn Hesham as Abu jahl, father of ignorance.<br />
It’s really upsetting to see Muslims (I’m assuming the commentators are Muslims) making full effort to destroy or at least discourage and dishearten brother Haytham and his passion for writing even though, I’m sure everyone in their hearts know that he has good intentions behind this article. Instead of making suggestions to him privately so he can improve his writing and presentation skills, they are indirectly trying to convince MM that he should not be allowed to write for Muslim Matters. Everyone remembers the ugliness divorce brings to ones duniya but people who made malicious, rude, discouraging and underestimating remarks about brother, they don’t pay heed to numerous hadiths about the importance of brotherhood and antiquates one should have in dealing with their brother in Islam.<br />
The Prophet (PBUH) said, &#8220;He who believes in Allah and the Last Day must either speak good or remain silent.&#8221;<br />
[Muslim].<br />
Someone asked the Messenger of Allah (PBUH): &#8220;Who is the most excellent among the Muslims?&#8221; He said, &#8220;One from whose tongue and hands the other Muslims are secure.&#8221;<br />
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].<br />
Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: I heard the Prophet (PBUH) saying, &#8220;A person utters a word thoughtlessly (i.e., without thinking about its being good or not) and, as a result of this, he will fall down into the fire of Hell deeper than the distance between the east and the west.&#8221;<br />
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].</p>
<p>As far as those who are criticizing with indirect mockingly suggestive statements, I bet even William Shakespeare (who only had 7 years of formal education up till age 14, never was able to attend university) can’t pull an A if you would grade him based on his academic credentials/expertise.</p>
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		<title>By: ALGEBRA</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/04/27/muslims-got-caught-cheating/#comment-42314</link>
		<dc:creator>ALGEBRA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aslamu-alaikum:
&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@My H-town
&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
&quot;Do not let your anger blind your better judgment.&quot;

ITS ABOUT TIME SOMEONE GETS ANGRY ABOUT ADULTERY&gt;............
Seriously, there are some things we NEED TO GET ANGRY ABOUT................

it is a NATURAL RESPONSE TO GET ANGRY AND SAY SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON.

MAYBE YOU GUYS SHOULD LOOK AT THESE HADITHS...........................

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/082.sbt.html#008.082.829
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 829:

    Narrated Al-Mughira:

    Sa&#039;d bin Ubada said, &quot;If I found a man with my wife, I would kill him with the sharp side of my sword.&quot; When the Prophet heard that he said, &quot;Do you wonder at Sa&#039;d&#039;s sense of ghira (self-respect)? Verily, I have more sense of ghira than Sa&#039;d, and Allah has more sense of ghira than I.&quot; (Bukhari)

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 148:

    Narrated &#039;Aisha:

    Allah&#039;s Apostle said, &quot;O followers of Muhammad! There is none, who has a greater sense of Ghira (self-respect) than Allah, so He has forbidden that His slave commits illegal sexual intercourse or His slave girl commits illegal sexual intercourse. O followers of Muhammad! If you but knew what I know, you would laugh less and weep more!&quot; (Bukhari)

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 512:

    Narrated Al-Mughira:

    Sa&#039;d bin &#039;Ubada said, &quot;If I saw a man with my wife, I would strike him (behead him) with the blade of my sword.&quot; This news reached Allah&#039;s Apostle who then said, &quot;You people are astonished at Sa&#039;d&#039;s Ghira. By Allah, I have more Ghira than he, and Allah has more Ghira than I, and because of Allah&#039;s Ghira, He has made unlawful Shameful deeds and sins (illegal sexual intercourse etc.) done in open and in secret. And there is none who likes that the people should repent to Him and beg His pardon than Allah, and for this reason He sent the warners and the givers of good news. And there is none who likes to be praised more than Allah does, and for this reason, Allah promised to grant Paradise (to the doers of good).&quot; &#039;Abdul Malik said, &quot;No person has more Ghira than Allah.&quot; (Bukhari)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aslamu-alaikum:<br />
<em><strong>@My H-town<br />
</strong></em><br />
&#8220;Do not let your anger blind your better judgment.&#8221;</p>
<p>ITS ABOUT TIME SOMEONE GETS ANGRY ABOUT ADULTERY&gt;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
Seriously, there are some things we NEED TO GET ANGRY ABOUT&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>it is a NATURAL RESPONSE TO GET ANGRY AND SAY SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON.</p>
<p>MAYBE YOU GUYS SHOULD LOOK AT THESE HADITHS&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/082.sbt.html#008.082.829" rel="nofollow">http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/082.sbt.html#008.082.829</a><br />
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 829:</p>
<p>    Narrated Al-Mughira:</p>
<p>    Sa&#8217;d bin Ubada said, &#8220;If I found a man with my wife, I would kill him with the sharp side of my sword.&#8221; When the Prophet heard that he said, &#8220;Do you wonder at Sa&#8217;d's sense of ghira (self-respect)? Verily, I have more sense of ghira than Sa&#8217;d, and Allah has more sense of ghira than I.&#8221; (Bukhari)</p>
<p>Volume 7, Book 62, Number 148:</p>
<p>    Narrated &#8216;Aisha:</p>
<p>    Allah&#8217;s Apostle said, &#8220;O followers of Muhammad! There is none, who has a greater sense of Ghira (self-respect) than Allah, so He has forbidden that His slave commits illegal sexual intercourse or His slave girl commits illegal sexual intercourse. O followers of Muhammad! If you but knew what I know, you would laugh less and weep more!&#8221; (Bukhari)</p>
<p>Volume 9, Book 93, Number 512:</p>
<p>    Narrated Al-Mughira:</p>
<p>    Sa&#8217;d bin &#8216;Ubada said, &#8220;If I saw a man with my wife, I would strike him (behead him) with the blade of my sword.&#8221; This news reached Allah&#8217;s Apostle who then said, &#8220;You people are astonished at Sa&#8217;d's Ghira. By Allah, I have more Ghira than he, and Allah has more Ghira than I, and because of Allah&#8217;s Ghira, He has made unlawful Shameful deeds and sins (illegal sexual intercourse etc.) done in open and in secret. And there is none who likes that the people should repent to Him and beg His pardon than Allah, and for this reason He sent the warners and the givers of good news. And there is none who likes to be praised more than Allah does, and for this reason, Allah promised to grant Paradise (to the doers of good).&#8221; &#8216;Abdul Malik said, &#8220;No person has more Ghira than Allah.&#8221; (Bukhari)</p>
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		<title>By: My H-town</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/04/27/muslims-got-caught-cheating/#comment-42312</link>
		<dc:creator>My H-town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have more respect for such an article had it come from an experienced, married person. And by experienced, I mean someone married for like 10 years+ and with knowledge of the deen. You&#039;re way in over your head as a single brother giving advice on marriage. 

Now, if your mother had written an article about such an issue, then it would definitely be more credible. Do not let your anger blind your better judgment. Be fair with your words, and just in your accusations....advice first to myself, and then to my brothers and sisters in Islam.

Lastly, I for one would like to see those statistics that say women are more prone to succumbing to pornography than men. I beg to differ. 

Jazakallah khair for your effort. But next time inshallah, let the experienced shuyook or counselors tackle such a topic. May Allah reward you for your intentions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have more respect for such an article had it come from an experienced, married person. And by experienced, I mean someone married for like 10 years+ and with knowledge of the deen. You&#8217;re way in over your head as a single brother giving advice on marriage. </p>
<p>Now, if your mother had written an article about such an issue, then it would definitely be more credible. Do not let your anger blind your better judgment. Be fair with your words, and just in your accusations&#8230;.advice first to myself, and then to my brothers and sisters in Islam.</p>
<p>Lastly, I for one would like to see those statistics that say women are more prone to succumbing to pornography than men. I beg to differ. </p>
<p>Jazakallah khair for your effort. But next time inshallah, let the experienced shuyook or counselors tackle such a topic. May Allah reward you for your intentions.</p>
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		<title>By: Quadir</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/04/27/muslims-got-caught-cheating/#comment-42310</link>
		<dc:creator>Quadir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalam Alaikum,

Bismillahirrahmaanirraheem

I feel that divorce would NOT protect a person (man/woman) looking for relationships outside marriage from committing Zina, unless he/she can marry immediately after divorce. It would only give him/her more freedom and another excuse to fornicate. Also in most muslim societies, divorced men/women have difficult time getting married, thus taking longer to have sex in halal way and eventually shaitaan deceives us with one more excuse to commit Zina. REMEMBER, single people are more prone to commit zina than married ones.

- Quadir</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalam Alaikum,</p>
<p>Bismillahirrahmaanirraheem</p>
<p>I feel that divorce would NOT protect a person (man/woman) looking for relationships outside marriage from committing Zina, unless he/she can marry immediately after divorce. It would only give him/her more freedom and another excuse to fornicate. Also in most muslim societies, divorced men/women have difficult time getting married, thus taking longer to have sex in halal way and eventually shaitaan deceives us with one more excuse to commit Zina. REMEMBER, single people are more prone to commit zina than married ones.</p>
<p>- Quadir</p>
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		<title>By: muslimah4good</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/04/27/muslims-got-caught-cheating/#comment-42308</link>
		<dc:creator>muslimah4good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@muslimgal
http://training.practimate.com/support.php

submit your request to contact the sh. 

 I pray that Allah help you in resolving the matter with hikmah and sabr inshaAllah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@muslimgal<br />
<a href="http://training.practimate.com/support.php" rel="nofollow">http://training.practimate.com/support.php</a></p>
<p>submit your request to contact the sh. </p>
<p> I pray that Allah help you in resolving the matter with hikmah and sabr inshaAllah</p>
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		<title>By: ALGEBRA</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/04/27/muslims-got-caught-cheating/#comment-42307</link>
		<dc:creator>ALGEBRA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aslamu-alaikum:
&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@muslimgal&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
TRY shaykh Waleed.  He is good.  He is good with marraige as i have heard from a few people.  Luckily they have an ilminar today 
I thought you might be interested.

from Almaghrib:

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We just wanted to send a reminder on tonight&#039;s program.  In anticipation of the newly relaunched Fiqh of Love: Marriage in Islam seminar that will be rocking Toronto this May 15-17th and 22-24th, Shaykh Waleed Basyouni will be giving a special presentation tonight on the &quot;Do&#039;s and Don&#039;ts of Marriage&quot;.

Ever hear Shaykh Waleed talk about marriage?  Probably not.  He&#039;s one of the best kept secrets in North America.  Secret&#039;s out tonight!

Join us LIVE tonight on www.ilminar.com
&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aslamu-alaikum:<br />
<em><strong>@muslimgal</strong></em><br />
TRY shaykh Waleed.  He is good.  He is good with marraige as i have heard from a few people.  Luckily they have an ilminar today<br />
I thought you might be interested.</p>
<p>from Almaghrib:</p>
<p><em><strong>We just wanted to send a reminder on tonight&#8217;s program.  In anticipation of the newly relaunched Fiqh of Love: Marriage in Islam seminar that will be rocking Toronto this May 15-17th and 22-24th, Shaykh Waleed Basyouni will be giving a special presentation tonight on the &#8220;Do&#8217;s and Don&#8217;ts of Marriage&#8221;.</p>
<p>Ever hear Shaykh Waleed talk about marriage?  Probably not.  He&#8217;s one of the best kept secrets in North America.  Secret&#8217;s out tonight!</p>
<p>Join us LIVE tonight on <a href="http://www.ilminar.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ilminar.com</a><br />
</strong></em></p>
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