Bismillah,
Updated
I don't know how to start addressing this topic; I am angry, and really emotional right now. My emotions about this issue wander between sadness and disgust. Three cases of Muslim married women cheating on their husbands with Muslim men were presented to me and the details are outrageous.
This isn't a rumor. It was a conversation that I had with a Muslim marriage counselor. It all started with a casual conversation about marriage but then it took a very sharp turn as the counselor started to tell me about some of the stories that they get exposed to on a daily bases. No names were mentioned walhamdulillah, but the details were shared with me for the purpose of education. It is worthy to note here that the punishment of spreading such rumors in Islam is 80 lashes.
My aim for this article is to reach out to the inner thoughts that women have about their own marriage or about marriages they see around them. Also, I hope to shed some light on what should be done to avoid such a major sin, from my humble perspective.
This isn't written to throw blame around; rather, I am writing about this topic to educate sisters, both young and old, married or single, of the consequences of some of their actions. It is also to warn my brothers who are married with problems (serious problems i.e.) as well as those who are in the process of getting married.
To my sisters:
- Find adventure in your house, not outside with shameless men.
- Don't ever justify your parents' strictness with you pre-marriage as an excuse to go wild after marriage.
- If you don't love your husband, and it is leading you to major sin, divorce him.
- Don't ever use your children as an excuse to be abused by your husband.
- Don't give da‘wah to men. DON'T! DON'T! DON'T!
- Learn about your Hijab, don't just wear it.
- Teach your daughters how to be modest… by example.
- Teach your daughters how to be modest… by educating them, not forcing them.
- When you are proposed to, look into the man's relationship with his mother (don't ask his mother, ask people around him).
- When your daughter is proposed to, don't just look into the suitor's career, don't just look into his deen, don't just look into his family, don't just look only into his appearance… look at the whole package and don't compromise.
- Don't be alone with men, even at the masjid.
- MSA is not just a social club. It is for our brothers and sisters to work with each other to produce events and activities to bring Muslim students towards Allāh. Don't interact with the opposite gender unless there is a valid reason.
- Porn is Haram just as masturbation is also Haram. You know it, so please try to follow through on that knowledge.
- Give your husband what he needs. If he needs importance, then give him that. If he needs adventure, then give him that. If he needs certainty, then give him that. If he needs love, then give him that.
- If your husband isn't loving you, it is better to leave him than to cheat on him. If you don't want to leave him, then don't use this as an excuse to cheat.
- Looking for attention? Want some appreciation? Then do something good… don't commit zina.
- Don't watch Indian (or Egyptian) movies and let your fantasies fly with them. If you have to watch them, then please understand that they are movies, and not reality. If you want to fantasize about something, make sure you “communicate” with your husband about it, so you can do it together!
- Women are also ordered to lower their gaze… Not just men. (Surat anNoor verse 31)
- Even muhajibas can get raped… so be careful and cautious of your surroundings.
- Men are different creatures than women (dah). Their psychology is different, their physiology is different, their logic is different… so why do you expect them to “understand you” right away? Rather educate yourself on how to deal with them. (Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus is an awesome book… read it)
- Not everything your parents tell you about “how to deal with you husband” is accurate. Think for yourself, seek professional help and act upon it.
- Friends could sometimes be the cause of all disasters. The Messenger of Allāh said “The person is on the religion of his/her friend, so examine whom you are friends with”.
- When it comes to dealing with men, don't trust yourself, play it safe.
- Don't trust any man who asks you to do something haram; you know what is haram and wrong.
- Remember, Zina has introductions. Emails, private chat-rooms, phone calls, phone calls at night, secret meetings, meeting in hotel rooms… you get my drift?
- Parents, please talk to you daughters: educate them, teach them what wrong and whats right, how to react to various situations, and please trust them. But don't “over-trust” them. In Egypt we have a proverb that says “Be aware, but don't distrust“
- Your mother-inlaw is his mother. Respect her and understand her. If you start a war with her, you could lose your husband or your husband could lose his akhira.
- Daughters: I know dealing with parents is a challenge. I know that parents don't always relate to children, and sometimes don't even attempt to. But just know that at the end of the day, that temporary forbidden excitement and forbidden love is like rotten meat covered with chocolate.
- Above all, fear Allāh and know that He is watching you.
To My Brothers:
- Fathers need to fulfill their daughter's emotional needs. If this need is not fulfilled, be aware that the first man to show them that emotional fulfillment will be able to seduce them (no matter how ugly or poor that man is). Same goes for husbands regarding their wives.
- Your brothers, cousins, and most family members are NOT maharim to your wife, nor are they “just like her brother”.
Allāh's Messenger said, “Beware of entering upon the ladies.” A man from the Ansar said, “Allāh's Apostle! What about the in-laws of the wife (the brothers of her husband or his nephews etc.)?” The Prophet replied: The in-laws of the wife are death itself. (Bukhāri & Muslim). - Women have physical needs just as men do:
- If a man has physical issues, he should see a doctor and not be embarrassed. The alternative is having your wife seek her physical enjoyment through haraam means.
- Your wife is not a slave, nor a machine you can just turn on and off. Be intimate with your wife. [Shaykh Yaser Birjas gave an excellent lecture about sex education at Texas da‘wah Convention 2007 | click here to listen to it {must create a free account first}]
- Please remember that your wife is a human being; if you abuse your wife physically, emotionally, or psychologically, then don't expect her to remain loyal to you (this is not an excuse for a woman to commit zina, it's an excuse for her to seek divorce/redress from him).
- Don't remain separated for long periods of time. A job that causes you to come home late every night, or leads you to travel for long periods of time is a job for singles, not husbands. It's time to find something that will allow you to spend more time with your family.
- Love your woman. She is your wife. Be romantic to her. Do what pleases her, and she will make your life a living paradise.
- Understand your woman. If you are having tons of miscommunication, then know that it is not all her fault. Maybe you need to seek some professional help.
- Read “Men are From Mars, Women are From Venus” It will give you an insight on how women think.
- Educate yourself on what your wife's needs are. If she needs attention, then give her attention. If she needs to feel important, then make her feel important. If she needs adventure, then give her adventure (nothing wrong with halal adventure every once a while). If she need LOVE, then my dear brother, give it to her!
- Set the boundaries from the beginning. If you want her to treat you in a certain way, make sure you inform her with that. If she acts up, then let her know that she is “acting up” and how. See redress with her if you need to, but never, ever get physical. There are lots of ways of seeking redress from your wife, without hitting her.
- Repect her family. If you don't like her family, then perhaps you shouldn't have married her in the first place. If you have already married her, then you must respect them, even if they are not respectful to you.
- Make her mother happy. It works magic.
- Before you marry her, please think deeply with your HEAD. If you see flaws in her, don't just bypass them. They could come back and haunt you.
- Before you marry her, sit with her and ask her tough questions. Don't accept vague answers, otherwise you may regret not having full knowledge of the answers (especially if they are critical in your mind).
- Don't ever put yourself in a situation where you have to choose between your wife and your mother. Work to smooth out their relationship from the beginning.
- If she is not giving you what you want, seek help. If you cant get it resolved, and the issues are serious enough to cause you to fall in major sin, then consider divorcing her. Don't ever be in a relationship that you hate and cannot work out.
- Finally, know that you also need to fear Allāh when dealing with her. The messenger of Allāh said, “You are all responsible, and you all will be asked about whom you are responsible for.”
Finally, for those who have committed zina, know that Allāh is the most Forgiving. He said in Surat Alnisaa (Surat number 4 verse 48):
Verily, Allāh forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allāh in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin.
I am not a marriage counselor, nor am I a psychologist. I am just a frustrated Muslim man who is pained to see these issues around me in my community. These are definitely not all the things you can do to protect yourself, spouse, son, or daughter from falling into the haram. Consult with your local shaykh, psychologist, marriage counselor, or any other professional if you need help.
Finally, remember that Allāh is watching you. You will not be asked about what others did; you will only be held accountable for what you have done.
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Masha’Allah – JazaakumAllahu Khairan for the advice. Hope to use it once I get married Insha’Allah :D
AA-
“If you don’t love your husband, divorce him. As simple as that.”
No, its not as simple as that. Such over-simplification of a very complex matter does not help the situation. Love for one’s spouse has its ups and downs and it’s very dangerous to suggest that during a low-point in the marriage, one should *simply* run to divorce.
It’s important to remember (as you alluded to in another point) that love in marriage is not like in the movies. So, when the Bollywood ‘love’ that you felt in the first few months begins to die down, that’s not cause for concern and definitely not cause for a divorce.
Wa Alayko Assalam Naeem…
yes it is simple as that. The majority of the “love affairs” from the women side is due to love, or lack of there of…. so if a man is not giving his wife what she needs emotionally or physically… JUST divorce him.
One might say… o what about the kids? what about the people? what about …. (fill in the blank) … I would say to any sister in this situation:
I’d rather you be divorced than you committing zina looking for the love your husband isnt giving you.
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“If you dont, him divorce him”. It isn’t simple as that. Love is a verb, not a noun. I has to be worked on & it has its ups and downs.
Great post overall. I shared it with many friends.
Asalaamu alaykum,
Before we try to PC Haytham’s article, let’s remember this is just a regular brother giving advice based on generalities. He is not addressing every exceptional case nor is he saying to take his advice only. Rather, he is saying there is a problem and here are some good general solutions that all of us need to think about and look at.
Today’s society is so oversexed, you can’t even turn on a tv or go to a major internet website without seeing something related to sex.
We might tend to think this stuff doesn’t affect us, but it does..it really does.
I love how you only have 17 pieces of advice for men…and 30 for women. Next time when you write something, try not to be so bias. This sounds clearly like a man wrote it.
Number 13 in the women’s column says “Porn is Haram just as masturbation is also Haram. You know it, so act up on that knowledge.” Its funny how you put that in the women’s column…as if we’re the ones that actually have problems with this and not the brothers. If you wanted to be fair, you should have put it in both, but only in the womens?Jeez. Plus, that can statistically be proven as incorrect, that women do this more than men.
Your article comes off in a very rude manner..as if all muslim women are cheaters, as if muslim women only do these things and men are just angels, and by you posting these few pieces of advice, the 3 women that you wrote about or anyone “planning” on commiting zina will just miraculously change.
..Also, There are more than a dozen grammatical errors..
zahmed01….
Firs things first … “..Also, There are more than a dozen grammatical errors..” that is sooo true… and there is no argument there :)
As for calling me bias simply coz i have 17 for the bros vs 30 for the sisters… if that shows anything.. it shows my love and care for the sisters more than the brothers… if you read otherwise.. sounds like a personal problem… you’re assuming things in to this article….
As for what you said about masturbation and watching porn
That is not true. In survey conducted in a major Islamic convention, 23% of Muslim women showed that they masturbate Vs 21 of the men who took this survey. Dont believe me? inshaAllah you can email me and I can get you more details inshaaAllah for you to double check this survey.
umm…. you see… you are reading too much in to this article. I stated a true story, it just happened to be about 3 women.. and btw.. if you re-read the first paragraph.. it said .. the three Muslim women cheated with Muslim men…. insert a shocking face….
:) no offense intended
^As stated in the introduction, the article was written as an emotional response to a unknown problem that just came to light.
The Muslim brothers have a LOT of issues to deal with and you are right, 19 pieces of advice is not enough.
BUT the article was never about Muslim brothers, it was about combating the problem of Muslim women cheating on their husbands.
Muslim men cheating on their wives can be seen as a different beast, but maybe not, Wallahu Alim.
JazakAllah khair
Love shouldn’t be the only thing holding a marriage up. That’s a weak platform that inevitably wears. It should be built on many different fabrics so that if love wears, it’s not an immediate call to divorce.
There was an incident at the time of Umar (ra) where a man wanted divorce because he did not love his wife anymore to which Umar (ra) replied something to the effect of: SubhanAllah, is marriage built on love alone!?
So I wouldn’t call for divorce simply because there’s no love. Sure, if it’s getting to the stage of the muslimah “looking around” and flirting etc, then yes, it needs to be looked at. But a blanket order for divorce will invariable have serious ramifications.
I agree with Naeem and Arshad above. I understand that your advice is geared toward preventing zina, but we need to be conscious of the fact that divorce, though halal, is generally not a good thing and should be avoided if possible. If the relationship has not broken down to the point of being irreparable (and there is no physical abuse involved), then the couple should explore ways to salvage the marriage if possible. Claiming that you no longer love your husband/wife is not a light matter, so the spouses need to discuss their feelings in detail (with the assistance of a third party if necessary) before definitively arriving at such a conclusion.
Agree. Not that simple.
The point the brother is making is not simply that divorce is simple as that, but reading carefully through, you’ll understand that instead of resorting to zinah then you have divorce as an acceptable option.
Allaah knows best.
AA- Haytham and Abu,
If lack of love is the problem, the only two available options are not zina or divorce. As Sabir mentioned, there are alternative avenues such as communication or counseling. Let us exhaust all possible ways to address the problem before resorting to divorce. Divorce is NEVER simple.
Assalamualaikum,
SubhanAllah, it never occured to me that some of us sisters can sometimes stoop to that degree. Maybe I was raised in such a protective womb that I never imagined that these horrendous acts can be perpetrated by (very few) Muslimahs. SubhanAllah!
But I have to come to the realities of this world as it is hastily changing; and also as more and more incidences like these, if not worse, are coming out of the woodwork and brought to our attention, subhanAllah. Yes, it needs to be brought out and addressed; deservedly so, so we can get some sense of what is truly happening to our Ummah and bring about a reality check in all of us as Muslims .
JazakAllah Khayr Br. Haytham for the great reminder and post.
May Allah azza wajjal guide us all on a just and straight path, ameen.
I am sorry to say that I don’t think this article reaches the usual high standard set by MuslimMatters. Some ‘advice’ is good, but several ‘points’ are disjointed and immature, e.g,. what have a husband/wife’s relationship with their mother-in-laws got to do with a spouse cheating? Getting along with in-laws is one issue – faithfulness is another.
JazakAllah khair for this great advice. I am working with the Muslim community even before I got married (almost 4 years) and this is more common in our community than people think. I have met many sisters who gave similar excuses for committing this grievous sin.
I agree with you on all the points that you have mentioned but I also would like to share with you a realistic social problem we have in our community. I won’t go far, I will tell you about my family. My brother was married to the girl of my parent’s choice and my brother was consulted and was given a chance to ask her and inquire about her. He was more than willing to marry her and so they were married. Gradually all the spark started to fade and after 5 years and 2 kids, my brother decided to take a second wife. He is wealthy enough to support (financially) two wives and before taking this huge step, instead of consulting his parents and family, he went to his favorite imam who told him “brother its your right to fulfill your desires and its your God given right to take another wife if you find the need. You only have to be fair with them in regards to financial matters and time spent with each wife”
THIS SENTENCE RUINED the peace of our family. Basically, to make the long story short, even though It’s my brother who I should be supporting because I’m his blood-sister, I sincerely hate his action because he ruined a sister’s life and his children’s chance at having a normal family life and a full time father, all because he wanted something new. My sister in law of course does not love him anymore, but she is still officially married to him for the sake of children because she says “I can’t ruin their lives to make mine”. Divorce is not a very good alternative in our society especially for “sisters”. But this was only my sister in law who is choosing to stay in the marriage without committing any sin even though she is a medical doctor and doesn’t even have to rely on my brother’s income (if she wants). But let’s be honest, many sisters don’t do what she is doing. Especially the new generation who is exposed to storm of fitnas everyday.
I knew few who started committing zinah secretly just because they didn’t want to shame their families by getting khulla (but sisters eventually it happens but the difference is only after being humiliated for committing such grave sin. You can’t hide your sin for too long from your husband, it comes out eventually) so it’s better to be strong and separate ways and use your rights in Islam and live a halal life with dignity and self respect preserved.
And brothers, for some weird reason, don’t think much about women rights on them. They are always told about their rights and their needs. I hope brothers who are married, or the ones who are about to get married, take your(br Haytham) advice to heart and realize that like brothers face fitnas everyday when it comes to lowering their gaze, so do women. The only thing is, it’s still halal for them to marry again but society has made Khulla, halal alternative, a bad things and mostly sisters feel stuck and burdened by the society to not exercise their rights. Majority (there are exceptions of those who do this sinful act for mere joy and excitement) of sisters in unhappy marriages stay in them only because they don’t have much choice. Brother Haytham, most of the women in abusive relationship, even the non muslim ones, develop this slave and master psychology which makes it impossible for them to leave or step out of the relationship. SADLY this is 90% of case in Muslim families.
I would also like to point out to you, I have noticed many sisters (unmarried) comment on blogs and articles written by brothers who are married and convey their openness to the idea of being a second wife to a brother and how okay they are with that. I do believe that they have good intention if saying that but they don’t realize they are instigating fire. They might be saying it in another way, but brothers who are reading their comments and already showing interest in the idea of another wife, they mind can wonder on in another direction. Let’s not play with fire, and like brother Haythem said, point for women 24. When it comes to dealing with men, don’t trust yourself, play it safe.
And brothers, please please please take this advice (I say this from experience 5 yrs working with muslim community)
1. Women have physical needs just as men do:
1. If a man has physical issues he should see a doctor and not be embarrassed. The alternative is having your wife seek her physical needs through porn, toys or zina.
2. Your wife is not a slave, nor a machine you can just turn on and off. Be intimate with your wife. (Shaykh Yaser Birjas gave an excellent lecture about sex education at Texas Dawah Convention 2007 | click here to listen to it {must create a free account first})
2. Please remember that your wife is a human being; If you abuse your wife physically, emotionally, or psychologically… don’t expect her to remain loyal to you. (This is not an excuse for a woman to commit zina, its an excuse for her to divorce him)
In point 2, pay attention that abuse can be in forms other than physical.
May Allah guide us to the right path!
I just went back and read the comments. I sense many people are basing their opinion solely on the article but real statistics out in the real world, speaking of Muslim communities, has shown that women tend to go on extreme sides. Either they psychologically become slaves and submit completely to abusive and humiliating husband or either they start playing games for 2 reason. 1) They feel they are seeking revenge by committing haram and betraying their husband for what he does to her. 2) They start believing in their heads that they can be smart enough to satisfy themselves/desires while staying/portraying to be loyal wives.
I am not a brother, I’m a sister who has been working with muslim sisters in NY and this is a real problem in the society.
The reason why brothers don’t face this cheating problem on the same scale is due to the fact, they have ALTERNATIVES and society doesn’t look down upon them for practicing their rights. They have more exposure to counseling (with friends and Imams). No doubt there are cases where men have done similar things and wife is the one abusing the husband, but we are talking about majority and in majority of cases the victim is the women and it turns out they seek these sinful alternatives when society turns their back to them and their needs.
Even now, I sense many people not liking the idea of “divorce”. If divorce was so horrible, I would like to ask those who have problem with divorce, the best example I can think about is hadhrat Zainab bint Jahsh, our mother, the women who was dignified and honored to be the wife of our prophet (peace be upon him), who could be better in character and morals than her? And it is no hidden fact that she was married to hadhrat Zayd, adopted son and companion of our Prophet (peace be upon him). They are both the best from the ummah and yet they chose to depart from the marriage bond and the fact that our prophet Married Hadhrat Zainab proves that divorced women should not be dealt any differently. If you don’t get along and can’t feel happy with your spouse, DIVORCE! And marry someone who you like and want to spend your life with, CONTENTLY.
Personally, living life full of regrets and discontent is worse than divorce.
I also disagree with this statement. It’s oversimplified. Furthermore, the correct statement should be “If you don’t love your husband and cannot prevent yourself from falling into zinnah, then divorce him.”
i find the problem being over simplified and justifications/remedies like divorce are being given to ppl. i think the real issue to be addressed here is zina.
plus i dont know how making her mother happy will stop her from having zina??? it really makes no sense!
there is no room for zina in islam and you cant blame fialed marriages, love less marriages and childhood problems as reasons for zina. more and more ppl are going into these issues and ignoring the sin.
i think instead of giving points to women and men the author should address basic points of repetence and highlight the problem on sin and its hadood implications.
this is no light matter and certainly not one which a divorce can help. what about the afterlife?
wasalam
Ta
It reminds me of the saying of Umer (ra) when someone came to him saying that he wants to divorce his wife because he was was not ‘in love’ with her.
Umer (ra) stated a very practical truth: ‘Are family ties built only on love? If houses and families were to be broken on the grounds of so-called lost love, then no marriage would continue.’
Masha’Allah, great article
Good article.
The danger of zina, though generally more geared towards men, is also present for the sisters. We need to remind both genders to lower their respective gazes towards one another, and also we must constantly make du’aa that Allah keep our hearts pure and attracted towards the one that we are meant to be attracted towards: our respective spouses.
Assa’aamu ‘alaykum,
It is obvious from the generalities and over simplifications made in many of the advices in this article that the author has never been married himself. Marriage is a complex relationship, and one can only understand its intricacies after experiencing it themselves. We have way too many marriages ending in divorce as it is, without having someone make it sound so ‘simple’.
Assalamo elikuim
Very nice articlle and good advice given.
I 100% agree with brothers above who said that divorce should be the last options, Br J said is it best.
I thnk its a fairly tale thinking to think that you have be happy and in love in marriage all the time. Its ok to feel sad sometimes, and be little angry. As long as there commitment , sincerety and no haram done by either side, divorce shouldnt be an options.
Wasalam
UmmOsman
As a brother whose marriage teetered on the brink of divorce (thankfully not due to adultery issues) but was then salvaged i have to agree with the sentiment of other readers that point #3 to the sisters is dangerously simplistic.
Did Umar ibn al-Khattab not have a statement to the effect that households are not built just on love?
I *think* i speak for other brothers when i say that when you go through a difficult patch with your wife, you really appreciate the fact that Allah put the right of divorce in the hands of the man and not that of women, otherwise we might need one Qadi for every Muslim street!
There have been many times in my married life when i could honestly say that i did not love my wife (the reverse is probably true too :). There is lots of incompatibility, and sometimes i just plain hate her. But i’ve got three children, and i don’t want to harm their lives by having their father removed out of their lives. Even though i have reasons why i could walk away from this marriage, i don’t because i understand that marriages aren’t built just on love.
The author seems to have made an elemental mistake writing this article in a mood which he describes: “I am angry, and really emotional right now; I am scared and really worried; I am confused and extremely disgusted.”
This gentleman knows a lot about religious dogma but little about the human heart. Also, it’s the perpetuation of this thinking that gives modern Christians and Western secularists the impression that Muslims subject women to a heavy hand and almost medieval customs which they have difficulty understanding, let alone supporting.
“Punish her if you need to, but never every get physical. There are lots of ways of punishing your wife without hitting her.”
I dont know if you understand the concept of marriage, its a companionship. Its wrong for you to be giving advice to the brothers telling them to punish their significant others. Its called communicating and talking to each other to work their problems out. It makes a wife sound like a child to punish her. As a woman, i am sorry but I am very offended. I understand you are not a psychologist or a professional in this area and your intentions are probably for the good. Nevertheless, brother before you go on giving advice use the right words.
Salam alaykum
A couple of issues. You have fallen in love with the semi colon. Please use it according to the rules. You have written a good article. Readers are not so cynical and gullible when it comes to your proposed “solutions”. You only mentioned a general concept about sisters yet you prescribe a huge list of remedies. Each case is unique and merits a unique approach. As you said, spreading rumors of infidelity is haram yet you don’t know exactly who is guilty as charged. You are basing off a counselors perspective. All I suggest is more caution. Please do not give shariah advice when you clearly are not qualified to. Where in Islam does it allow a wife to leave a husband or divorce him based on your assumption that if you don’t love anymore then leave or cheat? Please read the verses in the surah nisa number 128. The ayah didn’t give divorce as an option straight off. It enlisted the couple to do sulh or counselling and reconciliation through a woman giving up a part of her days or time with her husband or other measures to secure a continuous marriage. You base your argument off of love. What is love? Can anyone declare that they are tired or bored and take action? More clarification is needed. Please do not try to compare or equate a fathers emotional security to their daughter with a husband’s emotional support as outlined in the first point for the brothers. It sounds wrong, ignorant and scary.
Your sarcasm in the first subpoint of the third advice for brothers is really offensive.
Please reorganize your thoughts next time because this article did not address your introduction yet it attempts to address gender relations which also failed. May Allah reward you!!
Ps I would stick to Quran sunnah first before going off to study about how men are from mars or women are from Venus. These books are secondary resources. Perhaps your article will have more legitimacy if you brought more quranic or seerah proof.
Pss get married and then let us know of your great findings ;)
Assalaamu alaykum,
It seems that a lot of people have taken issue with the brother’s suggestion that sisters who don’t love their husbands should seek divorce. Let’s give a muslim brother the benefit of the doubt. Out of 30 pieces of advice, only two counsels towards divorce. The rest are strong reminders to seek what we need within the confines of our marriages.
I am sure that brother Haytham meant that outside of all those alternatives, a sister should seek divorce rather than do haraam. For those who say that love ebbs and grows in marriage, this is a given. What the brother is referring to is those situations where there is no love, in good times or in bad. It would be naive to act like those marriages don’t exist.
It is also prudent to note that he also says, if you don’t want a divorce, you still don’t have an excuse (see number 16). He is acknowledging those loveless marriages where we still may not see divorce as a feasible option.
Wow…our laundry just gets dirtier and dirtier… :(
Hasbuna Allah wa ni’mal wakeel…
Haytham:
This stuff is pretty complex, but we are finding the problems facing Muslims are almost exactly the same as non-Muslims. I don’t know what “crowd” these sisters came from (immigrants? converts? AlMaghribies? Traditionalists?) but its somewhat irrelevant. I personally find and always kind of have, “religious” brothers and sisters…are kind of unemotional at times and therefore unloving. I speak from what I’ve seen…but I just think their are some emotional issues (our deen has nothing in it for a person who has no compassion)…so I wouldn’t be surprised if the problem lies in the fact we are afraid to be emotional with marriage. People grow “hard-core” and rigidly harsh…while, the children of overly harsh parents want to be free… it leads to people making marriage into all about sex, (one bro I know messed the hadith and said, “Sex is half the deen” !) if a husband or wife isn’t special, might as well go to someone else then, since its no different right? The husband doesn’t have any specialness does he? Marriage isn’t sacred…sex is then not something made sacred by the intimate love they have for each other, but replaceable…disposable. Its the sexualization of marriage…turning spouses into prostitutes, and not life partners.
I think you should re-visit the article I posted in the thread about Homosexuality, regarding homosexuality in Saudi Arabia…since I think it ties in with this.
One suggestion I have for all and I suggest you post this is this documentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqAEfBMlJoc
It has some haraam-ish bits, but its really worth the watch or just listen to it…
On a positive note: 3 Muslim women caught cheating isn’t so bad…considering this number could be much, much higher.
Let’s not forget how many Muslims (male and female) sleep around outside of wedlock…
Reality check guys !
Salaamu alaikum. I’m really surprised to see a post like this on MM – starting from the sensationalist title. Brother, why did you have to mention that the post is motivated by you hearing about “real people” committing zina? Even though you don’t name names, couldn’t you have just said something like “In talking to a marriage counselor recently I became aware of the great risk for unhappily married couples to commit zina”? Did you have to mention that they are in your “locality”?
Most of your advice ls reasonable guidance on living a modest life, but the assumption that unhappiness in a marriage takes a straight line to zina is flawed and insulting. As an old married woman, I’m a bit offended that you think you can educate “sisters young and old, married or single of the consequences of some of their actions and thoughts.”
A couple specific questions – re #20 on the women’s list, what does rape have to do with the topic? Rape and adultery are two quite different things. Also, I agree with all the commenters who said divorce is not the cure for adultery – first of all, that’s totally unrealistic, and secondly how does being single prevent a woman from comitting zina???? Also, I’d like to know in more detail what you mean by #10 on the men’s list – it seems quite ridiculous as you’ve written it. “Punish” your wife if she “acts up” in order to prevent adultery? Sounds like something I’d hear on Robert Spencer’s web site, not this one.
Overall, you give overly broad generalizations about marriage based on second-hand knowledge of real people who have confessed in confidence to committing zina. It saddens me.
Errrmmm….yeah.
After reading through the article- Haytham, I suggest you just put up the film I linked you to and scrap a bunch of your advice if you want to rescue this article and actually do justice to the topic at hand. Let’s face it bro, your just as single as I am…so we can’t possibly do this issue justice.
The film “How will we Love?” deals with specific issues such as divorce and adultery…why divorce and marital problems are so common and how to deal with them and learn from them to make a successful marriage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqAEfBMlJoc
Inna Lillahi Wa Inna Ilayhi Raaji`oon
May Allah reward you for bringing the issue to light. Some constructive advice on the article: I think many of the above concerns about bias could have been addressed if the first list was advice applicable to both parties (ie dont give dawah to the opposite gender) and then broken down to things applicable more specifically to each gender.
I am not a counselor, but someone who has been through a share difficulties.
A bit of personal advice to brothers and sisters on this issue:
Signs to watch for :
1) Changes in behavior, especially sudden changes in routine, etc
2) Phone conversations that cut off abruptly
3) Excessive time spent on the computer [facebook, myspace]
4) Changes in dress or attire
Preventative steps:
1) Discuss your interests, and then find common ones
2) Schedule weekly family time and then keep it like any other appointment
3) Find a book on spirtuality, or the virtues of doing good deeds and read some of it together several times a week (this is the least)
4) Ask your spouse what they think you can do to improve and make them happier – and then do it
5) Remove the TV from your house – its not halaal to be staring at uncovered women (brothers) or to be staring at men (sisters) – all of this affects the heart but we are just desensitize
Advise to those who have been the victim of infidelity:
1) Its not your fault – no matter of shortcomings on your part justifies what was done. Its less a statement about your worth as a spouse and more a statement about the deficiency of their fear of Allah.
2) There still may be some things you can do to improve as a spouse – are you neglectful, abusive, mean?
3) Try to forgive. Remember the Ayah in Surah An-Noor: “Do you not love that Allah should forgive you? And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (24:22) and that it was sent down to encourage Abu Bakr to forgive those who had slandered his daughter.
4) Demand that they show you all of the signs of true repentance (including cutting off the means for recurrence of the sin – that could include leaving a job, not going to a place anymore, etc.) – if they cannot,
Advise to those who have been unfaithful:
1) Do not despair from the mercy of Allah
2) Never make an excuse for your sin (including placing *any* of the blame on your spouse)
3) Make a sincere repentance
4) Increase in good deeds
5) Listen to the lecture “Ahmad the Repenter” By Bilal Assad
May Allah forgive all of us and protect us from all acts of disobedience.
This is horrible!
I thought this was about Muslims cheating in exams and they got caught…seriously. That’s what I thought.
Weak advice bro. Weak. Divorce is a last resort. Do you really want to earn the anger of Allah? Of course in violent and life threatening situations divorce is necessary but if there is “no love” then they should not divorce but find the love.
Did you get any imam, psychologist or marriage counselor look over your article before posting to MM? It’s pretty bias towards women.
Walaikum salaam. Br. Shariq, are you kidding? What is funny about adultery? Do you really think the tone of the article is entertaining?????
bismillah was salamu alaykum, Haytham, akhee, i read some great comments here. so i thank you for that. :) and may Allah reward you for sparking comments like this:
and may He forgive you for any blazes your rhetoric set off, and may He protect you from the fire, from the evils of which you wrote, and from (at least some of) your own advice. :)
i am reminded of a few minutes in Nouman’s “Divine Speech” course, alhamdolillah, when he explained from the wisdom of Allah mentioning men before women when discussing theft and women before men in discussing zina. yes, i just plugged his class, and yes, you should travel to take it — so no freebies from me. :) but thanks again for causing me to remember something good. every other good thing i remembered was also remembered by the other commentators. so perhaps some of them will also thank you for that. ;)
Haytham, you have a lot of energy. You have ruined my day by posting bloody graphic pictures of people having their hearts ripped out with voodoo style attacks on their hearts as it pulsates on the ground. But what’s worse is that you’ve ruined this post with the fact that you are not married and most of the advice given was out of line, BRAZEN, horribly written and just HAYTHAM. LOL We love haytham but seriously just stop writing. You are committing treason against English grammar and spelling.
By the way, I think Haytham is just realizing how much he hates marriage now.
By the way, this was a google ad underneath the title of the post:
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Haytham please write about how husbands cheat too? Oh wait forget it. You’ll commit treason again.
I too thought this was about Muslims cheating on exams or in school. How I was wrong.
But seriously, cut the brother some slack people. Take the tips with a grain of salt, given his status and inexperience with marriage.
Haytham, you naive person, here are tips of writing any marriage related things:
1. Men are always evil, abusive and scum
2. Women are always the victim and pure
Good luck in your next article
To the haters: I don’t think this article is credible, but at the same time we should try to take the good from it (since MM decided they would let it be published). Maybe Haytham said what is on a lot of people’s minds and it might spur debate and discussion on MM from now on. At the least it got a lot of people thinking alhamudillah (i just hope in a positive way).
I pray that we all make sincere comments and not just ones to blast him and others (though it is very very tempting).
Interesting….
So I read almost all the comments… and I found it shocking…. to say the least…. so I will make a few points… and hopefully this will clear out some of the things that I initially wrote.
1- I mentioned 47 pieces of advice…… 3 of which talked about divorce.
2- I choose to simplify this article because this topic is always complicated…. maybe if we take a step back and think about it…. we can simplify things a little and make the our lives a lot smoother.
3- I never said that “just divorce her” simply coz she didnt cook your favorite food or because she is mad at you… I said, if your happiness is compromised, then divorce is a valid option. I said if you are being abused, ask for divorce. We arent Christians, its halal for us to divorce… live with it!
4- Yes, I am single and never been married. That has nothing to do with my qualifications to write about this topic…. Not every psychologist who treated depression been through depression!
5- Finally, people read in this article what they want to read in it… I did my best in attempt to shed some light on this topic… i have my flaws for sure…. and thanks for all the feedback from my brothers and sisters above!
PS. I have yet to see anybody comments about asking brothers to take care of the emotional welfare of their daughters or wives! I have yet to see a comments about how I asked sisters to feed in to their husbands significance……………… anyway…..
:)
Yah, but Haytham saab, keep in mind the psychologist spent years and years developing his expertise through acquiring the knowledge and experience of others in the field, getting certified, and then adding on top of that his or her own clinical experience and observations in dealing with such people.
Siraaj
PS – Nice EMO pic.
asSalaam’alaykum
hey Haytham bro…it’s me….
at first I told myself I wasn’t going to post anything after reading this article. So I am not going to directly comment on the content of this article.
1. I personally know a few sisters who definitely know that their partners are cheating on them. So I’ve tried giving them most of this advice that you’ve mentioned here but chances are they wont take it because like almost what everyone mentioned here, it’s really not that simple. Even if the marriage counselor were to make the person comfortable with them in opening up, people will not give the real reason for their actions because they are trying to/unconsciously masking them with another reason because they haven’t come to that level of opening up. A counselor has to be really good, I mean really good to work through all of people’s primitive/immature responses to such situations, so they are abel to tap into their unconscious and really address the core issue.
2. I think it is very important….extremely important…..that Muslim Communities start investing heavily in Counseling Services. sponsoring selected gifted and talented children from a fairly young age, specially if they’ve shown interest and success in fields like psychology, to become counselors and therapists, so communities can deal with these issues properly. Thsi has been possibly said before, just bringing it up again.
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hmmm…….what kind of convention was this? jk
Can you list some more stats. How many people took the survey what were the age ranges etc etc. There are a lot of factors to consider when quoting these surveys. Was the survey made by a qualified person, or just some volunteer?
wa Allahu ‘Alam
jazakAllahu Khayran
wasSalaam’alaykum wa Rahmatullah
Thank you Haytham for editing some of the grammatical mistakes.
I think the problem isn’t that you suggested divorce. It’s the way how you worded it out. You made it sound trivial when it’s not trivial.
Also, I agree with Anon Brother in Islam. A woman cannot divorce her husband. This article kind of gives the idea to sisters that if they are cheating and can’t love their husbands they should run away from them and leave them.
True psychologists don’t need to go through depression to be qualified to talk about it but you are neither. Have you studied marriage counseling? Have you studied marital relations in Islam in depth and done case studies? Love notes Fiqh of Love does not count. I am not saying you can’t have a say in your opinion. I am just saying that argument of yours to justify you talking about this topic will make you look stupid.
@ mujahideen ryder
What do you mean it gets the anger of God? Are you basing off the fabricated hadeeth that the most hated or most angered halal to God is divorce? That hadeeth doesn’t even make sense. Let’s word it the other way around: The most loved of haram to Allah is such and such.
mashaAllah, why is everyone so mean? You can disagree all you want, but take it easy people :)
Please remember to keep proper adab when addressing each other and giving advice. Giving advice is one thing, but being blatantly rude is another.
Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should speak good or remain silent :) If you have nothing good to say in a good manner, then don’t say it at all.
Just to clarify….
If you are talking to the opposite sex about an issue like this, then make sure you inform another brother and sister that you are doing this. Due to confidentiality issues it is better to not have them be the third in the conversation.
Referring them to another person will not work, because people often open up to certain people because of something they find comfortable in that person’s personality, manners, and etiquette and feel that they can either help with their problems and offer good, practical advice, or they just need someone to listen to their problems and just figure things out on their own by thinking out loud. If you are confronted with a similar situation, there is a certain amount of haram/harm involved for yourself but I suggest you do it and keep reminding your self to fear Allah.
Allahu’Alam
yeah guys/sisters, chill out. This is Haytham’s article, not Amad’s. He isn’t quite used to online spears yet. Pls go easy on him, so he can get used to the pain, as I have :)
Knowing Haytham well, I really think what he meant is that divorce is a BETTER option if all else fails (i.e. if you just don’t have good intimacy or none at all, if you don’t have love in your marriage, and if you can’t work it out). I know he didn’t say it quite that way, but the context of the article was infidelity, so that is what the context was.
On a serious note, the article does raise this really ugly specter of sisters cheating. When guys do it, we know we have a problem. But when good sisters do it, we have a catastrophe. While PC speaking, it is supposed to be equal (indeed the punishments and the lowering your gaze commandments are equal); in reality we know that guys have a bigger problem controlling themselves. So, I am personally also surprised and saddened by what is going on in our communities. I think article after article on MM raise the same issues again: the need for PROFESSIONAL counselors, sound sex education and HALAL fun!
As-Salaam Alaykum,
As a married brother with three daughters and a loving wife, I found a lot of good reminders in this article. It is not perfect, but Alhamdulillah, there is a lot of good in it. I particularly like the reminder about paying attention to the emotional needs of your daughters. If there’s good advice, I will take it, even if the brother is not married and has no children. :o)
To the commenters that singled out my brother in harsh ways, please reflect on your manners and let’s all try to be kinder toward one another. There are ways to express our misgivings or disagreements without berating others. Really, I am saddened to see this behavior among the Muslims.
Your brother,
Abu Nurah
Haytham you didn’t answer my question? Did you get an expert, imam, psychologist, marriage counselor, etc. to review your post? :-D
As-salaamu ‘alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh,
Okay, I think everyone mentioned pretty much everything that was wrong with this article :)
However, I did want to say thank you to Haytham for bringing up the topic, if not how he addressed it. To be honest, even though I’m quite aware of the issues in our community, I haven’t yet heard of the phenomenon of Muslim sisters cheating on their husbands. So, at least now we know that the problem exists.
As for causes and solutions, then it is very very complicated. Such issues cannot be simplified, unfortunately, and definitely need to be looked at carefully because of the uniqueness of every situation. So many factors are at play, from the individual emaan-levels of each spouse, to family history, to dynamics of the marriage, etc.
Divorce can be a solution, but again not to be lightly suggested esp. if there are kids involved. As well, there should ALWAYS be a qualified Imam with a solid background in psychology/ counselling involved, to look at the issue from an Islamic perspective while able to weigh in both sides’ POVs and arguments.
I’d love it if insha’Allah we could have another article on this subject for MM, but this time written by someone qualified and able to study and explore the nuances and details of the issue.
Wow, this was a shocker on the front page! I always thought more of guys as the cheaters, because women tend to be more bogged down with home-related tasks and really to be honest need to bond to a man more before being intimate. But then again, affairs can go on undetected for months even years *shudders*.
There was some truth to the points all of which I understand a geared toward making the marriage happy overall (and thus preventing zina).
I think a lot of couples need to heat up their marriages. Passion does die down, but you can reignite it. But if that’s all your marriage was ever based on then you’re going to have lots of highs and lows. If you can’t stand someone’s personality and you can’t relate to them then I think you should just divorce them.
Also, I think most of those movies are lame and haraam for many reasons. However, I think reading literature with an element of fantasy in it can actually help heat things up and increase your desire for your spouse. (keep in mind these are books so there’s no other guy/girls face attached to the character which is very problematic with movies).
And personally I think divorcing can be pretty simple. I think we overcomplicate it too much nowdays (the same way we have overcomplicated the process of getting married).
ZOMG!!!!
Muslims cheating…no way….how could this be?
Let’s blog about it…
Aslamu-alaikum:
Personally, I didn’t find anything wrong with Haythem’s article. Seriouisly, it is the reality of today and am glad he didn’t over complicate the issue.
When i read it the first time i did understand why he suggested Divorce. I mean if a woman is cheating, she should have gotten a divorce or some counseling at the least. There are many cases when a woman realizes that the husband is not the BEST FIT for her and she can ask for a Khula. No amount of counseling is going to solve the problem. Women need to stop hiding in their kitchens so to speak and get realistic. Sex is important in marraige. Plain and simple. the importance of BOTH men and women.
BTW, women don’t even need to give a reason to anybody if they want a KHULA. Seriously, they don’t have to and lets be clear on that issue. I can see the wisdom in that, because if she were to, than the community could look down on her and it could become difficult for her to remarry.
GETTING A DIVORCE IS BETTER THAN COMMITTING ZINA.
We seriuously don’t need a psychologist to tell us these kinds of things. They didn’t have Trained psychologist during the Prophet(pbuh)’s time. WE REALLY NEED TO READ THE QURAN, HADITH, and SUNNAH.
There have been many times during the Prophet(pbuh)’s time when women wanted a khula. Among the many women, one just didn’t want to be with her husband anymore. One was just not satisfied with her husband. So getting a khula would be better than staying in an unhappy marraige and committing zina.
Men have another option, in that they can get married to more than one wife, but women DO NOT have that option. So it is BETTER for women to get a Khula than to go to other means.
Personally, when i read the article, i was pleasantly surprised that Haythem mentioned men give emotional support to their wives and daughters. I thought that was EXCELLENT ADVICE. and divorce was just the last resort as i understood it.
Speaking of toys and gadgets, lets get over our Naivetivity, women do use them and again i think we seriously need to look into polygamy as an option that is a blessing given to us by ALLAH instead of a threat.
salam
May Allah reward Bro Haytham :)
It would have been better if Haytham left this article for his own personal blog instead of posting it on prestigious site like MM.
Maybe looking up the incident of Ifk b4 writing this article would have been better.
Excellent article brother,
barakAllahu feek
SubbhaanAllah! This kind of subject shouldnt be allowed to talk about in public.
IAnd f I knew that my wife is cheating, then wAllah wAllahii I would almost break the neck of the brother, break his legs and cut his finger off.. and almost kill him!
The I would Spit at my wife and kick her out from the house directly and never ever talk to her or see her again!
Yes that’s me!
Great post Haytham, always good to hear what someone has on their mind. Thanks for bringing up some serious issues that we tend to forget time to time.
This sounds so fishy. Was this done at tdc? What was the survey sample size? Is the population representative of the majority of Muslims? Who conducted the survey? Keep in mind, with a question like that people will easily lie, even if it’s anonymous…and things like this need to be repeated using the scientific method to see if you get consistent results before you make an assumption like this.
Sorry Haytham, a lot of these suggestions are laughable and impractical (or completely unrelated to the issue at hand).
Why did the psychologist go into details about his patients with you, even if he/she didn’t tell you their names? I feel like their privacy is being violated. What if you figure out who it is somehow?
O M G! why is everyone being so mean to the brother for stating something of great concern. I don’t think he mean’t “divorce” as the first option, instead if nothing else works then its better than committing haram.
Brother great article and may Allah reward you for your good intentions and guide all those who refuse to see beyond cultural preferences and attitudes.
great advice 4 fathers and husbands of sisters also!
no one is doubting his intentions. We are just concerned defenders of the glorious English language and how the grammatical infringements that was on this post hurts the glory of the English language.
We also doubt his marriage counseling expertise and advise.
@ Uncle Tom
Best. Comment. Yet.
I just wanted to point out to everyone that in the time of the sahabah, the divorce rate was higher than it is currently in America. This was taken from a CD set by Imam Anwar al-Awlaki.
I’m not saying divorce is bad, I’m not trying to imply ANYTHING. I just want to give you all some food for thought before you condemn divorce so much. Let’s all try and think before we speak to improve the level of discussion.
“The only divorce that needs to happen is Haytham from MM’s.”
The comments here are more immature then Haytham’s articles…
I’m more disappointed by the same repetitive comments unfair bashing or blindly defending Haytham, then anything else. If the man made a mistake- fine, but cutting him for it does NOT contribute to the discussion- you just detract more and more from it. Bunch of kids…really. Maybe adultery happens because of the same reason- few of you have grown up.
I miss the old days of MuslimMatters…
I hope ya’ll read my comments.
In all honesty, I agree with the brother… The post is beneficial…
Jazakallah khair Geemo.
Here are some beneficial books to read that are from psychologists:
1. http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi3300_needs.html
2.Love Busters from Dr. Willard Harely:
http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi3400_lovebust.html
Selfish Demands
Disrespectful Judgments
Angry Outbursts
Annoying Habits
Independent Behavior
Dishonesty
3. His needs Her Needs
http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi6020_needs-ch1.html
http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi3300_needs.html
Affection
Sexual Fulfillment
Conversation
Recreational Companionship
Honesty and Openness
Physical Attractiveness
Financial Support
Domestic Support
Family Commitment
Admiration
Haytham, I love you for the sake of Allah bro! :)
I understand that the stories you must have heard only dealt with women cheating, but it seems that the tone of your article is ONLY warning women against cheating… What about all of the Muslim men that do it? If a wife is being obedient and staying at home how many many take advantage of this and stay out all night and have affairs? Just a thought…..
Other than that, great advice… JazakAllahuKhair.
I have question to DAWUD ALI:
What do you mean when you say “Considering Muslims (both men and female) sleeping outside of wedlock”? How do you corroborate that? I know that most Muslims would never do anything as sinful as that (some staunch secularists might…), but I doubt your logic behind that statement.
Muslims cheating… nothing new, unfortunately.
It has been happening for ever, and that is why we have the islamic rules and laws that should be applied. simple.
You’ve never heard of pre-marital sex? You aren’t aware that its Muslims who frequent clubs? Or run gangs?
I am getting the impression a lot of readers here are quite sheltered…
ExExBlogger – Thank you. May Allah reward you. Ameen!
:) @ MR
To answer your question on an earlier comment…. No I didnt show this article to anybody.
@ Hidaya,
Just wanted to say I am offended by your comment. As for your the incident of al-’ifk… that is not orange to orange comparison for so many reasons. I appreciate the advice though.
@ Pleiades,
I can get you all these information about the statistics.. but yes, it was a representative sample….. you have my email and inshaAllah can email me for more details.
You said, Sorry Haytham, a lot of these suggestions are laughable and impractical.
I am not sure whats laughable and impractical about “a lot” of the suggestions, but alhamdulilalh, I was able to put a smile on a Muslims face today.
As for the Marriage councilor, he told me this information because I asked. There was no privacy violation but if you “feel” otherwise, I really cant help that!
@ Reem,
I had no intentions what so ever to single out sisters over brothers. For those who know me, know that this is not what I stand for.
Assalam o alaykum, I don’t see why there is so much criticism. JazakAllah khir br Haytham for the advice for both brothers and sisters.
From the comments I note that there is a dominant feminist thought among the majority. Some people have been so feminized that they are forgetting the role of a husband and wife. Very disappointing comments. If you find something good in it take it if not email Br Haytham so he can change it. May Allah Guide us!
Br. Haytham,
Since you are single, I think the last thing you should be doing is listening to a counselor about bad marriages. You are going to be sooo paranoid when you actually have to make a decision. You’ll try to avoid all of these things…stick to happy marriage stories and happily married people. When you get married (Insha-Allah), then write about these topics and listen to counselors…till then stay blissful, naive and idealistic about marriage. ;)
Aslamu-alaikum:
@ibnkhalil
I really didn’t get where you saw any feminism in any of these comments. I guess i am just oblivious to it.
i didn’t see any feminist comments………….
salam
salam,
I say this with full respect to the writer – someone who is not married and is not trained, should not be putting this kind of advice up. Some of it is rash, and it is clearly unprofessional and potentially damaging if someone who is going through an emotional episode in their marriage happens to come across it and takes it with any more credit or weight than it is due.
I suggest that another MM writer who is perhaps qualified in the subject of counseling or has worked as a counselor review it and put some edits in.
Other than, it has a good basic message and some very good points – but it also has a few rash points that demonstrate a lack of in-depth understanding of how to advise people about marriage.
with respect,
your brother
AS
Good article.
I was SHOCKED to know that this does happen in our community. May be not just in America but also all over the world.
But credit should be given where it is due. The brother advised us on understanding our spouses emotional and physical needs, which is very good advice.
BUT the fact that the brother is not married sort of undermines the credibility of the article since he wouldn’t know what the REAL DEAL is in marriage.
May Allah Bless you for your efforts
Haytham,
Im glad you are getting a whole mess of abuse. It will prepare you for your own marriage inshallah.
PS … “that is not an orange to orange comparison.” That’s exactly how I would expect an engineer to butcher a common English cliche. LOL.
I haven’t seen a hard hitting article like this in a while.
Great Job Haytham…
Strong reminder for all of us Masha’Allah.
JazakAllahkhairan
Shirtman.
give the brother a break man! he’s giving good advise, plus he’s not married according to the last post, so after he’s married iA, it’ll be better.
take what you need and leave the rest . . .
I think a more appropriate title would have been: “MuslimAHS caught cheating.”
Not trying to be mean or anything, but I think it would’ve been better if a marriage councelor had written the article…or at least a married person. I didn’t agree with a lot of the advice. Felt like it was written really emotionally and not thought out properly. Marriage advice is serious stuff. I didn’t like the jump to “leave him” or “divorce him”.
This article has been definitely a learning experience for me….
Just getting bashed publicly was …. interesting to say the least.
Though I feel that most of those who bashed me and undermined my credibility were a little too harsh and unjust to me… i must say that there is no way that all of them are wrong. So maybe I need to go back and revise where I stand on some of these issues and seek more education.
I had no intention to “counsel” people… just give a different perspective than the norm. I think there are A LOT of good advice in this article…. and inshaAllah I hope it benefited some people!
Until my next post, Fe Aamaanillah
Haytham
Aslamu-alaikum:
to some of the comments written above…………………….
“Marriage advice is serious stuff. I didn’t like the jump to “leave him” or “divorce him”.”
“BUT the fact that the brother is not married sort of undermines the credibility of the article since he wouldn’t know what the REAL DEAL is in marriage.”
“someone who is not married and is not trained, should not be putting this kind of advice up.”
I REALLY DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BROTHER SAID THAT WAS WRONG>…………………..
No one, I mean no one, should have to stay with a spouse that has cheated………….. Simply NO…………. that includes both men and women.
IF a spouse commits adultery…………………. It is very hard for the other spouse to stick around………………………. Its a serious matter and no one should take it lightly………….
The fact that today, women and men can easily divorce, and Islam allows that should be taken as a solution rather than avoided if it is going to lead to ADULTERY.
I was married and this is coming from a woman that was married and a person who has experienced incidents of adultery committed by both men and women. THERE IS NO EXCUSE. SERIOUSLY ALLAH HAS GIVEN US AN OPTION TO LEAVE IF WE ARE NOT SATISFIED IN OUR RELATIONSHIPS. That is not to say, we should take that option quickly, but should take it, if we are going to go into other means like ZINA.
Seriously, i have heard both men and women give excuses when they have committed zina, that they were not satisfied or they were not getting enough love, or attention etc………….but ALLAH allowed them a way out before going to Haram………. and they should have seriously looked into that option, talked to their spouse, brought it up to their spouse’s attention that they are not happy in their relationship as it is and they need their needs met INSTEAD OF GOING OUTSIDE OF MARRAIGE…………….
but yet they take the easy way out……………..
Furthermore, Haythem, also emphasized the needs of women in this post, which i could say was not emphasized before. He held the husband accountable as well. Men should not leave their wives alone for months at a time. it is wrong.
At least he acknowledged the needs of women in this post as well INSTEAD of focusing on the MEN only.
Umar(RA) asked his daughter Hafsa(RA), how long can a woman stay away from a man and he took her advice and made it obligatory for the men that were fighting in war to come back home within that time frame, which i think was three months. AND THAT WAS IN THE CASE OF WAR>>>>>>>>>>
Today, men stay away from their wives(for months at a time for lesser of things and expect for their wife to be O.K.)
Don’t think this only happens in AMERICA………… I have witnessed incidents in other countries where the man leaves for his job away from the home for months at a time and than there is incidents of adultery. The husband usually has taken another wife in the other country but leaves the wife hanging to be alone. That is wrong and not just in Islam.
Next, his advice
7. Understand your woman. If you are having tons of miscommunication, then know that it is not all her fault. Maybe you need to seek some professional help.
at least this is the first time some male is giving advice to take accountability for his miscommunication and get help.
Women have physical needs just as men do:
1. If a man has physical issues, he should see a doctor and not be embarrassed. The alternative is having your wife seek her physical enjoyment through haraam means.
2. Your wife is not a slave, nor a machine you can just turn on and off. Be intimate with your wife. [Shaykh Yaser Birjas gave an excellent lecture about sex education at Texas Dawah Convention 2007 | click here to listen to it {must create a free account first}]
men try to blame it on the woman when they have some physical issue. ACTUALLY, its about time a male gave that adivce…………..
and lets try to remember, that the PROPHET(PBUH) used to actually take into consideration about satisfying his wives seriously. So much so that he mentioned this to the angel gibrael…………………and that is the PROPHET(PBUH)
In addition, sometimes, parents women from staying with men that they don’t like and pressure them because the community will look down upon divorce and these women are stuck with the wrong man and then women take other means. I have seen that happen as well. WE need to support a woman who is just happy with her husband and take into consideration why she is saying that and let her be instead of forcing her to stay.
In the PROPHET(PBUH)’s time a woman wanted a khula from her husband and he was crying in the streets and the PROPHET(PBUH) suggested to the woman to take him back and the woman asked the PROPHET(PBUH) if that was his suggestion or ALLAH’s command and HE(PBUH) said that it was his suggestion and the woman with forward with her khula.
so lets be open minded towards those women and help them find another spouse instead judging them. I think many women feel stuck when they are not happy and they take the other route and that is MORE DANGEROUS.
i am not advocting divorce by any means but mentioning WHY some women do the things that they do. and if we make divorce a permissible option maybe they will not have to take those means.
lastly i do disagree with his point on
“If she is not giving you what you want, seek help. If you cant get it resolved, and the issues are serious enough to cause you to fall in major sin, then consider divorcing her. Don’t ever be in a relationship that you hate and cannot work out.”
in this case i believe a husband should stay with his wife but marry another. KEEP BOTH……… because it is hard find good men any way and that way he is not leaving her and getting his needs met as well. I mean a man doesn’t need to divorce a woman to get his needs met he can alway take on another wife and take care of both justly. that way the family can stay in tact. It is easier for men to love two wives and sometimes that situation gets better anyway. Instead of divorcing her. THIS IS NOT A DOUBLE STANDARD. JUST A PRACTICAL SOLUTION.
salam
zahmed01 wrote
I love how you only have 17 pieces of advice for men…and 30 for women. Next time when you write something, try not to be so bias. This sounds clearly like a man wrote it
SO WHAT why does evrything have to be equal. what if the article was against men and nothing mentioned about women would anyone complain then. what if the advice was 17 women 30 men or rather 10000000 men nobody would complain. this article was about a specific issue there are many others that address men. i dont know why some feel everything is exactly equal in every sense, this isn’t islam. when something is said against women they want to be equal when it is said against men their brains go to sleep. these people have a one track mind
@ ALGEBRA
my guess is that you’re not married either, sister?
Aslamu-alaikum:
@UMM IBRAHEEM:
I am not married right at this moment but I was married for 5 years and have a daughter and i have had tons of experience concerning marraiges of all sorts. Polygyny, monogamous, etc and have traveled to many countries as well.
BTW I was born and raised in this country as well.
Seriously, whatever advice brother Haythem gave was good and credible and PRACTICAL.
What exactly, did he say that was wrong??????????????
If a man or a woman cheats there is nothing wrong in divorcing them. Seriously. WE HAVE TO HOLD OURSELVES TO HIGHER STANDARDS AND WE HAVE TO TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR OUR MISTAKES AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAKING JUST AND WISE CHOICES.
If a woman is not satisfied with her spouse, talk to him, get counseling. However, sometimes, cousnseling does not help because there are reasons that she may not want to discuss and than lets leave it at that. Its O.K. Let her be and get married again, instead of pushing her to stay and do other things. When people know they have an option and not be critisized for it they are more likely to make wiser decisions instead of pressuring them to stay.
Next, if a man is not satisfied and he has children, give him the option to marry again instead of pressuring him to stay or leave. In this case, the better of the two solutions would be to give him that leeway………. Having a choice which ALLAH has given to us gives us more room to BREATH and make wiser choices. IT DOESN”T LEAVES US BOXED IN AND REBEL…………..
Allah gave us the room to breath and move let it be…………….
Its just a practical solution and it seems to work better………… than leaving the wife…………
btw i have a child of a plural marraige and i feel like it works better than leaving the wife. Seriuosly, its hard enough finding a good rightious spouse for both men and women and when we make things more difficult its just makes things worse for society at large.
stop making things complicated…………..it wasn’t meant to be to psychoanalytical………………..
even if one reads psychologist point of view most of them would agree with whatever HAYTHEM had to say.
Maybe not all but most of it.
salam
@ALGEBRA
Don’t know what being born and raised here has to do with it…
I wasn’t making things complicated. I just said that someone with more authority/experience in marriage councelling should’ve written an article about marital advice. Every marriage situation is different. To just say “leave him/her” or “get a divorce,” without looking at the particular circumstances of a couple, is a cop out.
I used to read MM for the good articles, but it looks like it’s slowly getting sloppier :(
as salaam alaikum
I too read MuslimMatters because it is one of the best, if not the best, group Muslim blogs on the web, with the highest standard of articles in terms of not only grammar (which is very important) but also knowledge and expertise of the authors.
while i appreciate this article, and the authors intentions behind shedding some light on this issue, like many of the other commenters, I would have preferred a more professionally-oriented and better researched post.
And Allah (swt) knows best.
May (He) bring peace and tranquility to all of our respective relationships.
the discussion is still on!!? Sister Algebra raised good points. I think most of the people here who are strictly oposed to the idea of divorce because either they are culturally programmed to do so with that famous weak fabricated hadith that among the halal Allah dislikes divorce the most OR they are too sheltered to realize that these issues are out there in our societies and just because you don’t see advertisements, it doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Its like when Ahmeddinajad said “we don’t have gay in iran”
Divorce should never be the first option but it should not be shunned like it is in their culture. The stories of the sahabas is full of evidence where you can clearly see that divorce rate was really high and divorce does not mean that someone lacks character or quality to be a good husband/wife, it just means TRY AGAIN! Hadhart Abu bakr divorced one of his wife, hadhrat zayd divorced Zainab (a.s) and the list goes on. In the lecture series by sh. Imam Anwar Al-AWlaki (i believe it was the series about the life of abu bakr (a.s) he mentioned that divorce rate among the sahaba was really high. Now are these anti-divorce anti-women-rights-given-to-them-by-Islam people self proclaimed experts claiming that their standards of muslim society is better than the society sahaba formed?
I DON’T THINK SO!
For br.Haytham
Maybe if you can mention briefly the stories about the sisters who fell into this sin, without ofcourse mentioning names/location etc. It would help readers understand your points in a better manner.
Just a thought
assalamu alaikum,
for everyone making comments about quality of MM articles, inshallah we will take your advices to heart and be more stringent in regards to what is published.
as for haythams article, i think he has already said it best himself that he has learned a lot from the comments on this article. i think we can all agree that it was well intentioned and shedding light on an issue not often discussed in our communities.
please let’s just remember to be just in our criticisms and naseehah, and also be patient with MM as we continue to grow as well :)
jazakumallahu khayran
CLARIFICATION:
“btw i have a child of a plural marraige and i feel like it works better than leaving the wife.”
I meant to say “I am a child from plural marraige system” or my father had more than one wife……………
No i am not a co-wife……………… sorry…………. i had to clarify………….. than let people get wrong ideas.
salam
Aslamu-alaikum;
@Umm Ibraheem
I apologize for making it seem like I was referring to you when i said all of those comments. I just wanted to REITERATE and MAKE CLEAR to many of the commentators on this blog that most of the things he mentioned are not wrong just because he is not a qualified psychologist or marraige counselor and just because he is not an authority doesn’t make it wrong. We seem to make some things more complicated than they really are.
It wasn’t referring to you only. I do apologize in making it seem like i was targeting those comments to you.
I am sorry
Its just that there is an issue of adultery in our society. First it was prevalent among men and now it has become prevalent among women and it seems that when we give them excuses for their behavior that is a cop out in it self. We have to find pracitcal solutions instead and those solutions our PROHPHET(PBUH) and QURAN and ALLAH has given us already. We tend to make it more complicated and avoid those solutions and than we suffer.That is what i meant.
salam
i have an issue regarding a personal matter. Luckily it is not the matter that is discussed in the article thank god. But, it is a serious matter regarding my spouse and I. I have been trying to get in touch with Yasir Birjas via his websites and I am been unsuccessful..It’s a legal but highly private matter that I cannot post publicly. Does anyone know his email?
lol any desir I had to write for MM has been handicapped big time :P
LOL Asim bhai….that was funny
Sister muslimgal,
I don’t know if the sheikh has made his email public, so it might be hard to find it.
Try and get in contact with him through the “practimate” website. just google it.
Assalamu ‘alaikum,
I am like, i spent like half an hour reading these comments so i might as well post what i think.
Haytham, i have always looked up to you. And lol, I still look up to you after reading this article. I go through similar criticisms when i try to brign up the point of showing that sisters aren’t angels. Don’t be worried abour people’s criticism too much. I would be more worried if i stayed silent and then Allah was to criticize me on the day of judgment.
The funny thing is that all those people who say that this article was harsh are the same ones who remain silent on any naseeha on the topic. So i will say this bluntly: What leads people to write articles that are good like this one, and i mean it when i say “good”, is that the problems or fitnaas we face are totally ignored. To the point that people act like these problems don’t exist.
Then people like br. Haytham see them, label them clearly and then get bashed. I really hope that Haytham continues writing with the pure intention behind the article. And while I agree Shaikh Yaser Birjas could have written it better and that the article was too specific to some of our sisters (may Allah forgive them and us), realize that it is all of the people who keep these issues hidden and quiet in the light of “good naseeha” that cause articles like this to come out in the first place.
And saying MM has some professional standard that Haytham has not measured up to or PCing his article, I mean people, this is really not naseeha. It’s all just people’s opinions. And people’s opinions are relative and only God’s opinion matters.
And, to be just, everyone who has criticized Haytham, bring your beautiful naseeha that you would have done had you seen this problem in your communities. Otherwise it is as one of the famous addages goes:
“If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.”
Haytham’s new best friend,
Abdur-Rehman
Aslamu-alaikum:
@muslimgal
TRY shaykh Waleed. He is good. He is good with marraige as i have heard from a few people. Luckily they have an ilminar today
I thought you might be interested.
from Almaghrib:
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I pray that Allah help you in resolving the matter with hikmah and sabr inshaAllah
Assalam Alaikum,
Bismillahirrahmaanirraheem
I feel that divorce would NOT protect a person (man/woman) looking for relationships outside marriage from committing Zina, unless he/she can marry immediately after divorce. It would only give him/her more freedom and another excuse to fornicate. Also in most muslim societies, divorced men/women have difficult time getting married, thus taking longer to have sex in halal way and eventually shaitaan deceives us with one more excuse to commit Zina. REMEMBER, single people are more prone to commit zina than married ones.
- Quadir
I’d have more respect for such an article had it come from an experienced, married person. And by experienced, I mean someone married for like 10 years+ and with knowledge of the deen. You’re way in over your head as a single brother giving advice on marriage.
Now, if your mother had written an article about such an issue, then it would definitely be more credible. Do not let your anger blind your better judgment. Be fair with your words, and just in your accusations….advice first to myself, and then to my brothers and sisters in Islam.
Lastly, I for one would like to see those statistics that say women are more prone to succumbing to pornography than men. I beg to differ.
Jazakallah khair for your effort. But next time inshallah, let the experienced shuyook or counselors tackle such a topic. May Allah reward you for your intentions.
Aslamu-alaikum:
@My H-town
“Do not let your anger blind your better judgment.”
ITS ABOUT TIME SOMEONE GETS ANGRY ABOUT ADULTERY>…………
Seriously, there are some things we NEED TO GET ANGRY ABOUT…………….
it is a NATURAL RESPONSE TO GET ANGRY AND SAY SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON.
MAYBE YOU GUYS SHOULD LOOK AT THESE HADITHS………………………
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/082.sbt.html#008.082.829
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 829:
Narrated Al-Mughira:
Sa’d bin Ubada said, “If I found a man with my wife, I would kill him with the sharp side of my sword.” When the Prophet heard that he said, “Do you wonder at Sa’d's sense of ghira (self-respect)? Verily, I have more sense of ghira than Sa’d, and Allah has more sense of ghira than I.” (Bukhari)
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 148:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
Allah’s Apostle said, “O followers of Muhammad! There is none, who has a greater sense of Ghira (self-respect) than Allah, so He has forbidden that His slave commits illegal sexual intercourse or His slave girl commits illegal sexual intercourse. O followers of Muhammad! If you but knew what I know, you would laugh less and weep more!” (Bukhari)
Volume 9, Book 93, Number 512:
Narrated Al-Mughira:
Sa’d bin ‘Ubada said, “If I saw a man with my wife, I would strike him (behead him) with the blade of my sword.” This news reached Allah’s Apostle who then said, “You people are astonished at Sa’d's Ghira. By Allah, I have more Ghira than he, and Allah has more Ghira than I, and because of Allah’s Ghira, He has made unlawful Shameful deeds and sins (illegal sexual intercourse etc.) done in open and in secret. And there is none who likes that the people should repent to Him and beg His pardon than Allah, and for this reason He sent the warners and the givers of good news. And there is none who likes to be praised more than Allah does, and for this reason, Allah promised to grant Paradise (to the doers of good).” ‘Abdul Malik said, “No person has more Ghira than Allah.” (Bukhari)
To all those submitting openly rude, condescending comments which indirectly undermine author’s credentials and capabilities in addressing specific issue,
High academic credentials never gives authority to people over any subject and we have proof of this all around us, media and radio personals with high credentials convey only filth and lies. Credentials of Al-Hakam Ibn Hesham (also known by makkans as Abu Hakam father of wisdom), did not prevent Prophet (peace be upon him) from calling Ibn Hesham as Abu jahl, father of ignorance.
It’s really upsetting to see Muslims (I’m assuming the commentators are Muslims) making full effort to destroy or at least discourage and dishearten brother Haytham and his passion for writing even though, I’m sure everyone in their hearts know that he has good intentions behind this article. Instead of making suggestions to him privately so he can improve his writing and presentation skills, they are indirectly trying to convince MM that he should not be allowed to write for Muslim Matters. Everyone remembers the ugliness divorce brings to ones duniya but people who made malicious, rude, discouraging and underestimating remarks about brother, they don’t pay heed to numerous hadiths about the importance of brotherhood and antiquates one should have in dealing with their brother in Islam.
The Prophet (PBUH) said, “He who believes in Allah and the Last Day must either speak good or remain silent.”
[Muslim].
Someone asked the Messenger of Allah (PBUH): “Who is the most excellent among the Muslims?” He said, “One from whose tongue and hands the other Muslims are secure.”
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].
Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: I heard the Prophet (PBUH) saying, “A person utters a word thoughtlessly (i.e., without thinking about its being good or not) and, as a result of this, he will fall down into the fire of Hell deeper than the distance between the east and the west.”
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].
As far as those who are criticizing with indirect mockingly suggestive statements, I bet even William Shakespeare (who only had 7 years of formal education up till age 14, never was able to attend university) can’t pull an A if you would grade him based on his academic credentials/expertise.
Salamo aleikom!
My dear brother Haytham… I think it was a mistake from your side to write an article about such a controversy and serious subject.
Leave this matter to scholars and the duat..
This subject can fool some people and trigger other, and anger third people.
My advice to MuslimMatters admins is:
PLEASE DELETE THIS ARTICLE BEFORE IT LEADS TO SOMETHING WORSE
May Allah forgive you and us (especially me) =)
I just wanted to suggest to some of the commentators on this blog to be please be specific as to what is bothering them concerning brother Haythem’s post other than his credentials in voicing his thoughts and advice.
Its only fair we be specific,and why we agree/disagree with his advice. That just seems to be more of an appropriate discussion rather than making general statements of discontent.
Please read comments from this website. It gives suggestions which correlate with Haythem’s suggestions and they are from a psychologist point of view
http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi5525_qa.html
I second Br. Bahader’s request…
putting a fork in it. comments closed :)