Comments on: The Birth-Date of the Prophet and the History of the Mawlid – Part II of III http://muslimmatters.org/2009/03/13/the-birth-date-of-the-prophet-and-the-history-of-the-mawlid-part-ii-of-iii/ Discourses in the Intellectual Traditions, Political Situation, and Social Ethics of Muslim Life Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:30:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: sameh http://muslimmatters.org/2009/03/13/the-birth-date-of-the-prophet-and-the-history-of-the-mawlid-part-ii-of-iii/#comment-90217 sameh Sun, 06 Feb 2011 19:35:30 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=4279#comment-90217 thanks for information but sorry am proud to celebrate it again nd again thanks for information but sorry am proud to celebrate it again nd again

]]> By: sajid a kayum http://muslimmatters.org/2009/03/13/the-birth-date-of-the-prophet-and-the-history-of-the-mawlid-part-ii-of-iii/#comment-88527 sajid a kayum Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:07:04 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=4279#comment-88527 As-Salaam Aalikum All, Jazaak Allah Khair for this beneficial article ............................................ Here is the English translation of Shaikh Al-Fawaan's (hafidhahullah) discussion on Mawlid "The Ruling concerning Mawlid an-Nabawi" <a href="http://www.qsep.com/books/mawlid.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.qsep.com/books/mawlid.html</a> As-Salaam Aalikum All,

Jazaak Allah Khair for this beneficial article

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Here is the English translation of Shaikh Al-Fawaan’s (hafidhahullah) discussion on Mawlid

“The Ruling concerning Mawlid an-Nabawi”

http://www.qsep.com/books/mawlid.html

]]> By: Abd- Allah http://muslimmatters.org/2009/03/13/the-birth-date-of-the-prophet-and-the-history-of-the-mawlid-part-ii-of-iii/#comment-57189 Abd- Allah Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:24:57 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=4279#comment-57189 Interestingly enough, most of those who seem to be calling for a celebration of the mawlid don't even bother to write out "salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam" after the Prophet's name and instead just write "S.A.W" or "pbuh". If you claim that you love the Prophet salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam then you can start by writing peace and blessings after mentioning his name rather than calling for a celebration of the mawlid! Interestingly enough, most of those who seem to be calling for a celebration of the mawlid don’t even bother to write out “salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam” after the Prophet’s name and instead just write “S.A.W” or “pbuh”. If you claim that you love the Prophet salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam then you can start by writing peace and blessings after mentioning his name rather than calling for a celebration of the mawlid!

]]> By: fozia b. http://muslimmatters.org/2009/03/13/the-birth-date-of-the-prophet-and-the-history-of-the-mawlid-part-ii-of-iii/#comment-54078 fozia b. Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:22:10 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=4279#comment-54078 The above 'history' of the mawlid is questionable. See for instance, Sanders (1998), p.173: In the late Fatimid period, the court actively borrowed from the flourishing local religious tradition. In addition to the celebrations of festivals, they patronized the cult surrounding the veneration of the Prophet's family that had been a feature of Egyptian Islamic religious life since early Islamic times. In the twelfth century, their participation in these cultic activities became more systematic, and they built numerous tomb monuments dedicated to various descendants of the family of the Prophet. This presentation of the ruler in ways that could be invested equally with a specifically Isma'ili and a broadly Islamic meaning typified late Fatimid court ritual life. The above ‘history’ of the mawlid is questionable. See for instance, Sanders (1998), p.173:
In the late Fatimid period, the court actively borrowed from the flourishing
local religious tradition. In addition to the celebrations of festivals,
they patronized the cult surrounding the veneration of the Prophet’s family
that had been a feature of Egyptian Islamic religious life since early Islamic
times. In the twelfth century, their participation in these cultic activities
became more systematic, and they built numerous tomb monuments dedicated
to various descendants of the family of the Prophet. This presentation
of the ruler in ways that could be invested equally with a specifically Isma’ili
and a broadly Islamic meaning typified late Fatimid court ritual life.

]]> By: Student http://muslimmatters.org/2009/03/13/the-birth-date-of-the-prophet-and-the-history-of-the-mawlid-part-ii-of-iii/#comment-40596 Student Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:02:00 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=4279#comment-40596 http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/books/95 www.islam-qa.com heres the fatwa of the noble scholars of islam...and it up to us to take it or reject it...but we will be answerable....may Allah grant us the right aqeedah ameen. http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/books/95

http://www.islam-qa.com

heres the fatwa of the noble scholars of islam…and it up to us to take it or reject it…but we will be answerable….may Allah grant us the right aqeedah ameen.

]]> By: Mu7aqiq http://muslimmatters.org/2009/03/13/the-birth-date-of-the-prophet-and-the-history-of-the-mawlid-part-ii-of-iii/#comment-40582 Mu7aqiq Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:52:57 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=4279#comment-40582 wa alaikum salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu bro Student I agree that Imams and Scholars should have a better understanding since they studied religious matters in more depth. However, their decisions and decree's do come with their reasoning. I simply want to listen to their explanations and reasoning. I'm not casting doubts or making judgements, I ask only to learn. You mentioned: " ...to comment on your question, according to whatever limited knowledge I have, we are NOT allowed in Islaam to invent new Matters, and also to copy the Kufaar..secondly, why not remember the Prophet sallahu alayhi wasallam every moment of our lives? why just his birthday? " My question was did the prophet (saw) or does it say so in the Quran that celebrating his birthday is prohibited (Haram). As I said, I realize no particular day is required. You mentioned that in Islaam, we are not allowed to invent new 'Matters' or copy the 'Kufaar' - I understand that creating new practices and/or beliefs to Islaam would be changing it and thus prohibited. But Islaam is a complete religion and we are supposed to be clearly told what is prohibited and what is permitted. So that is why I'm asking if the prophet (saw) said celebrating his birthday is Haram - or if it says so in the Quran. I just want to know the references that's all. Logically; if our intentions are for good; for Allah's (swt) sake, and our intentions and actions are not prohibited by Allah (swt) or by the prophet (saw) ... then how could such an act be declared prohibited? What I'm seeing is that your reasoning is that, because nobody during the prophet's (saw) time celebrated his birthday, therefore it is haram. - without a direct order from Allah (swt), Quran, or the prophet (saw) stating that it is haram? One thing from the article I want to also comment on, Of course it would make sense that the prophet (saw) wouldn't order his companions (ra) and people to celebrate his birthday. Why would he? the important question is aren't prohibited things declared in Islam without ambiguity? Also, it would be interesting to know if calendar systems and such things as birthdays were known back then. ws wa alaikum salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu bro Student

I agree that Imams and Scholars should have a better understanding since they studied religious matters in more depth. However, their decisions and decree’s do come with their reasoning. I simply want to listen to their explanations and reasoning. I’m not casting doubts or making judgements, I ask only to learn.

You mentioned: ” …to comment on your question, according to whatever limited knowledge I have, we are NOT allowed in Islaam to invent new Matters, and also to copy the Kufaar..secondly, why not remember the Prophet sallahu alayhi wasallam every moment of our lives? why just his birthday? ”

My question was did the prophet (saw) or does it say so in the Quran that celebrating his birthday is prohibited (Haram). As I said, I realize no particular day is required. You mentioned that in Islaam, we are not allowed to invent new ‘Matters’ or copy the ‘Kufaar’ – I understand that creating new practices and/or beliefs to Islaam would be changing it and thus prohibited. But Islaam is a complete religion and we are supposed to be clearly told what is prohibited and what is permitted. So that is why I’m asking if the prophet (saw) said celebrating his birthday is Haram – or if it says so in the Quran. I just want to know the references that’s all.

Logically; if our intentions are for good; for Allah’s (swt) sake, and our intentions and actions are not prohibited by Allah (swt) or by the prophet (saw) … then how could such an act be declared prohibited?

What I’m seeing is that your reasoning is that, because nobody during the prophet’s (saw) time celebrated his birthday, therefore it is haram. – without a direct order from Allah (swt), Quran, or the prophet (saw) stating that it is haram?

One thing from the article I want to also comment on, Of course it would make sense that the prophet (saw) wouldn’t order his companions (ra) and people to celebrate his birthday. Why would he? the important question is aren’t prohibited things declared in Islam without ambiguity?

Also, it would be interesting to know if calendar systems and such things as birthdays were known back then.

ws

]]> By: Student http://muslimmatters.org/2009/03/13/the-birth-date-of-the-prophet-and-the-history-of-the-mawlid-part-ii-of-iii/#comment-40561 Student Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:32:02 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=4279#comment-40561 @ Mu7aqiq Wa alaykum salaam warahmatulla wa baraktuh, Of course the Imams have a much better understanding than any of us as they have sincerely, inshaAllah, dedicated their lives to learn and comprehend this Beautiful religion of Islam and then pass it on to students of knowledge. to comment on your question, according to whatever limited knowledge I have, we are NOT allowed in Islaam to invent new Matters, and also to copy the Kufaar..secondly, why not remember the Prophet sallahu alayhi wasallam every moment of our lives? why just his birthday? Also, for our deeds to be accepted there are two conditions, first, that they should only be for Allah's cause with sincerity and second, according to the teachings of the Prophet sallahu alayhi wa sallam. Celebrating by remembering him might be sicerely for Allah but it is soomething not taught to us by the Prophet nor done by any of his noble followers who practised his teachings the best! We should not get into doubtful matters and also we need to listen to what our scholars say...i am not saying blindly, but as long as their proofs are authentic...we must abide by their agreements and cast away the doubtful matters. Also, InshaAllah I pray to Allaah subhanahu wa ta'la that by saying we want to just remember the Prophet on his birth, we do not say indirectly that the Companions and the righteous predecessors didnt follow the Prophet in the best way. Lets just do what pleases Allah the best! Follow the Sunnah the way is needs to be followed to attain salvation for Humanity. We need to stop questioning uselessly and stop following our desires even if they may seem within the Shariah boundaries but could indirectly lead one astray and away from the real teachings of Tawheed. Unless and until we listen whole heartedly to the righteous Imams and Scholars and come to an agreement, victory is no where near us. HasbunAllahu Wani'mal Wakeel Allah knows best... Wsalaam 3laykum I hope inshaAllah this was useful. @ Mu7aqiq
Wa alaykum salaam warahmatulla wa baraktuh,

Of course the Imams have a much better understanding than any of us as they have sincerely, inshaAllah, dedicated their lives to learn and comprehend this Beautiful religion of Islam and then pass it on to students of knowledge.

to comment on your question, according to whatever limited knowledge I have, we are NOT allowed in Islaam to invent new Matters, and also to copy the Kufaar..secondly, why not remember the Prophet sallahu alayhi wasallam every moment of our lives? why just his birthday?

Also, for our deeds to be accepted there are two conditions, first, that they should only be for Allah’s cause with sincerity and second, according to the teachings of the Prophet sallahu alayhi wa sallam. Celebrating by remembering him might be sicerely for Allah but it is soomething not taught to us by the Prophet nor done by any of his noble followers who practised his teachings the best!

We should not get into doubtful matters and also we need to listen to what our scholars say…i am not saying blindly, but as long as their proofs are authentic…we must abide by their agreements and cast away the doubtful matters.

Also, InshaAllah I pray to Allaah subhanahu wa ta’la that by saying we want to just remember the Prophet on his birth, we do not say indirectly that the Companions and the righteous predecessors didnt follow the Prophet in the best way.

Lets just do what pleases Allah the best! Follow the Sunnah the way is needs to be followed to attain salvation for Humanity. We need to stop questioning uselessly and stop following our desires even if they may seem within the Shariah boundaries but could indirectly lead one astray and away from the real teachings of Tawheed. Unless and until we listen whole heartedly to the righteous Imams and Scholars and come to an agreement, victory is no where near us.

HasbunAllahu Wani’mal Wakeel

Allah knows best…

Wsalaam 3laykum

I hope inshaAllah this was useful.

]]> By: Mu7aqiq http://muslimmatters.org/2009/03/13/the-birth-date-of-the-prophet-and-the-history-of-the-mawlid-part-ii-of-iii/#comment-40557 Mu7aqiq Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:03:25 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=4279#comment-40557 Salam alaikum, I would like to know, what is wrong with remembering the prophet (saw) by using his birthday as a mark to remember him by? Sure it is good to remember him and his teachings all the time and no particular day is required, but if it's merely just a day to show remembrance what is wrong with that? My second question is, has the prophet (saw) or in the Quran, any where stated that it is Haram (prohibited) to celebrate his birthday? What we mean by celebration is simply remembering the prophet (saw) and all the good characteristics and teachings we gained from him. Is it possible to make something Haram ( prohibited ) if the prophet (saw) and/or Allah (swt) by Quran did not do so? Allahu Alim Salam alaikum,

I would like to know, what is wrong with remembering the prophet (saw) by using his birthday as a mark to remember him by? Sure it is good to remember him and his teachings all the time and no particular day is required, but if it’s merely just a day to show remembrance what is wrong with that?

My second question is, has the prophet (saw) or in the Quran, any where stated that it is Haram (prohibited) to celebrate his birthday? What we mean by celebration is simply remembering the prophet (saw) and all the good characteristics and teachings we gained from him.

Is it possible to make something Haram ( prohibited ) if the prophet (saw) and/or Allah (swt) by Quran did not do so?

Allahu Alim

]]> By: Student http://muslimmatters.org/2009/03/13/the-birth-date-of-the-prophet-and-the-history-of-the-mawlid-part-ii-of-iii/#comment-40523 Student Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:19:08 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=4279#comment-40523 Asalaam Alaykum @ IH I would really recommend you to listen to the series on the life of the Prophet sallahu alayhi wasallam by Imam Anwar al Awlaki. They are Fabulous..and its more of Fiqh usSeerah...rather than just the story...it teaches us lessons for each and every event. Jazakum Allahu Khayr Asalaam Alaykum
@ IH
I would really recommend you to listen to the series on the life of the Prophet sallahu alayhi wasallam by Imam Anwar al Awlaki. They are Fabulous..and its more of Fiqh usSeerah…rather than just the story…it teaches us lessons for each and every event.

Jazakum Allahu Khayr

]]> By: ar.m http://muslimmatters.org/2009/03/13/the-birth-date-of-the-prophet-and-the-history-of-the-mawlid-part-ii-of-iii/#comment-40515 ar.m Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:50:40 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/?p=4279#comment-40515 asalamu alaikum i do not like this bidda ws asalamu alaikum

i do not like this bidda

ws

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