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		<title>By: Amad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are going to close the comments on this post, as I believe all sides to the story have been expressed. A few closing thoughts:

1) For those who paint a picture of stifled debate and censored comments, I think it is clear to any unbiased individuals that these folks must be on a different blog! The proof is in the pudding, RIGHT HERE, in this post and other posts, where critical comments sometimes exceed concurring comments. Of course, we will continue to moderate personal and mean-spirited remarks that fail the test of reasonable discussion. Carrying on the mantra of &quot;MM censors everything&quot; while seeing even these &quot;mantra&quot; comments come through, make the claims sound hollow and false. 

2) I am glad that to see that pretty much all of us agree that attacks against civilians (Muslims or non-Muslims) are wrong and unacceptable, such as for example Bali or 9/11. Except for a couple of loony remarks here and there, I believe that most of us (at least those who commented here) are all on the same page in our stance AGAINST terrorist organizations that target civilians. We all know who these organizations are. May Allah guide their leaders to moderation and the path of mercy and compassion upon the Sunnah of the Prophet (S). 

3) I am not surprised to see that we all condemn this cowardly attack. I hope the attackers were not Muslims, but if they were, then I hope the detractors will accept the problem &quot;within&quot;, and work towards reform of extremism. I also hope that we can temper our suspicions and accept that not every act of terrorism blamed on Muslims could have been a conspiracy. So, even if 9 out of 10 were some &quot;black ops&quot;, then we still have a problem for the 1 out of 10. Recognition is the first step towards the fix.

4) I appreciate all the comments from everyone who participated: AnonyMuslim, Abu Maryam, Siraaj, even Abul Hasan :) and others. I hope that those who didn&#039;t agree with my post remember that I am still their brother, who deserves the benefit of doubt about my intentions and goals. Back-biting and slandering me (by a few of the detractors) will not fix my &quot;problem&quot;, and will only help me by their good deeds. I think they need their good deeds, as much as I would like to have them and need them.  And I hope that those who agreed with my post will continue to work with me as I don&#039;t intend to let up on the plague of terrorism.

In closing, there is a wide middle-ground between extremism and &quot;ultra-progressivism&quot;. Many of us are struggling to find our place on it, which is a good sign. Let&#039;s hope and pray that we land dead-center, upon the Sunnah of the Prophet (S).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are going to close the comments on this post, as I believe all sides to the story have been expressed. A few closing thoughts:</p>
<p>1) For those who paint a picture of stifled debate and censored comments, I think it is clear to any unbiased individuals that these folks must be on a different blog! The proof is in the pudding, RIGHT HERE, in this post and other posts, where critical comments sometimes exceed concurring comments. Of course, we will continue to moderate personal and mean-spirited remarks that fail the test of reasonable discussion. Carrying on the mantra of &#8220;MM censors everything&#8221; while seeing even these &#8220;mantra&#8221; comments come through, make the claims sound hollow and false. </p>
<p>2) I am glad that to see that pretty much all of us agree that attacks against civilians (Muslims or non-Muslims) are wrong and unacceptable, such as for example Bali or 9/11. Except for a couple of loony remarks here and there, I believe that most of us (at least those who commented here) are all on the same page in our stance AGAINST terrorist organizations that target civilians. We all know who these organizations are. May Allah guide their leaders to moderation and the path of mercy and compassion upon the Sunnah of the Prophet (S). </p>
<p>3) I am not surprised to see that we all condemn this cowardly attack. I hope the attackers were not Muslims, but if they were, then I hope the detractors will accept the problem &#8220;within&#8221;, and work towards reform of extremism. I also hope that we can temper our suspicions and accept that not every act of terrorism blamed on Muslims could have been a conspiracy. So, even if 9 out of 10 were some &#8220;black ops&#8221;, then we still have a problem for the 1 out of 10. Recognition is the first step towards the fix.</p>
<p>4) I appreciate all the comments from everyone who participated: AnonyMuslim, Abu Maryam, Siraaj, even Abul Hasan :) and others. I hope that those who didn&#8217;t agree with my post remember that I am still their brother, who deserves the benefit of doubt about my intentions and goals. Back-biting and slandering me (by a few of the detractors) will not fix my &#8220;problem&#8221;, and will only help me by their good deeds. I think they need their good deeds, as much as I would like to have them and need them.  And I hope that those who agreed with my post will continue to work with me as I don&#8217;t intend to let up on the plague of terrorism.</p>
<p>In closing, there is a wide middle-ground between extremism and &#8220;ultra-progressivism&#8221;. Many of us are struggling to find our place on it, which is a good sign. Let&#8217;s hope and pray that we land dead-center, upon the Sunnah of the Prophet (S).</p>
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		<title>By: Saarim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saarim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AnonyMuslim(Dawud?), spare us your condescending attitude.  That you describe shar&#039;iah as a &quot;fake, jahi,concept&quot; shows us your true colors.  The British toady, Abdul-Hakim Murad, isn&#039;t a &quot;great Islamic luminary&quot;, but a stooge for the enemies of Islaam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AnonyMuslim(Dawud?), spare us your condescending attitude.  That you describe shar&#8217;iah as a &#8220;fake, jahi,concept&#8221; shows us your true colors.  The British toady, Abdul-Hakim Murad, isn&#8217;t a &#8220;great Islamic luminary&#8221;, but a stooge for the enemies of Islaam.</p>
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		<title>By: vindicated</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/03/03/terrorists-attack-guest-sri-lankan-cricketers-and-prove-themselves-as-scum/#comment-39861</link>
		<dc:creator>vindicated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a regular follower of MM from &#039;back home&#039; and I would like to agree with Br. AsimG and others who feel that the tone of this article is not correct. And I also agree with Br. Siraaj that this discussion is not, and will not get anywhere. If the purpose is to condemn the attacks, we can all agree, but on not much else besides that. Let&#039;s wait for the facts.

Besides that, as a Pakistani who has lived in the west, it seems to me there are some people who go overboard with nationalistic feelings. If you love living in America, so be it, if you live in Pakistan and love it, so be it. But to claim that one place is certainly the place to be, is to paint an unrealistic picture of black and white. There are problems there, and there are problems here. We just need to learn to deal with our problems wherever we live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a regular follower of MM from &#8216;back home&#8217; and I would like to agree with Br. AsimG and others who feel that the tone of this article is not correct. And I also agree with Br. Siraaj that this discussion is not, and will not get anywhere. If the purpose is to condemn the attacks, we can all agree, but on not much else besides that. Let&#8217;s wait for the facts.</p>
<p>Besides that, as a Pakistani who has lived in the west, it seems to me there are some people who go overboard with nationalistic feelings. If you love living in America, so be it, if you live in Pakistan and love it, so be it. But to claim that one place is certainly the place to be, is to paint an unrealistic picture of black and white. There are problems there, and there are problems here. We just need to learn to deal with our problems wherever we live.</p>
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		<title>By: AnonyMuslim</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/03/03/terrorists-attack-guest-sri-lankan-cricketers-and-prove-themselves-as-scum/#comment-39860</link>
		<dc:creator>AnonyMuslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that any evidence would convince an al qaeda supporting fanatic of anything, but so far every Pakistani newspaper that is reporting on what has been discovered thus far in the investigations is saying basically the same thing: All are pointing towards suspects being picked up in &quot;safehouses&quot; and &quot;guesthouses&quot; throughout Punjab.  Uzbeks, Afghans, and other foreigners being picked up for questioning.  Put the constituent pieces together and any logical person will see that the dark hand behind these attacks belongs to the Pseudo-Jihadis attempting to further malign Pakistan through their twisted image of Islam. Some articles are saying the terrorists intended to be &quot;hostage-takers,&quot; again showing that this wasn&#039;t a limited attack by an &quot;intelligence&quot; agency, but a targeted plan to highlight political greivances, namely for Pseudo-Jihadis to acheieve their dark goal of imposition of their fake jahil concept of Islamic law.  

By the way, thaks to whomever attempted to insult me by comparing me to the great Islamic luminary Abdul Hakim Murad (May Allah preserve him).  Thanks but I&#039;m truly not worthy of such an honor.

Pakistan needs fast-track National Security Courts to execute these people quickly after prosecution.  Further, hate speech should be banned on national security grounds.   In other Pseudo-Jihadi news today in Pakistan, a masjid was attacked in Dera Ismail Khan and a 17th century pathaan poet&#039;s mausoleum was blown up. Articles showing that all evidence recovered points to the pseudo-Jihadis and not &quot;RAW&quot; as conspiracy quacks allege, below:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=200935\story_5-3-2009_pg1_1

LAHORE/KARACHI: Police widened the hunt for clues in Tuesday’s brazen attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore, arresting 250 suspects in province-wide raids – four of which sources in the police said were prime suspects.

The four men included Muhammad Faisal, a brother of Muhammad Adil – the ‘mastermind’ of the attack – sources privy to the probe told Daily Times, adding that they were arrested during raids in Lahore by the Crime Investigation Agency (CIA). Sources in the agency said Adil – who ran sports bikes business on the Outfall Road in Islampura – received a call from one of the attackers at about 9:05am. In the call intercepted by the police, the attacker asks the planner for instructions after the attack, and was told to go to a location near Islampura.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that any evidence would convince an al qaeda supporting fanatic of anything, but so far every Pakistani newspaper that is reporting on what has been discovered thus far in the investigations is saying basically the same thing: All are pointing towards suspects being picked up in &#8220;safehouses&#8221; and &#8220;guesthouses&#8221; throughout Punjab.  Uzbeks, Afghans, and other foreigners being picked up for questioning.  Put the constituent pieces together and any logical person will see that the dark hand behind these attacks belongs to the Pseudo-Jihadis attempting to further malign Pakistan through their twisted image of Islam. Some articles are saying the terrorists intended to be &#8220;hostage-takers,&#8221; again showing that this wasn&#8217;t a limited attack by an &#8220;intelligence&#8221; agency, but a targeted plan to highlight political greivances, namely for Pseudo-Jihadis to acheieve their dark goal of imposition of their fake jahil concept of Islamic law.  </p>
<p>By the way, thaks to whomever attempted to insult me by comparing me to the great Islamic luminary Abdul Hakim Murad (May Allah preserve him).  Thanks but I&#8217;m truly not worthy of such an honor.</p>
<p>Pakistan needs fast-track National Security Courts to execute these people quickly after prosecution.  Further, hate speech should be banned on national security grounds.   In other Pseudo-Jihadi news today in Pakistan, a masjid was attacked in Dera Ismail Khan and a 17th century pathaan poet&#8217;s mausoleum was blown up. Articles showing that all evidence recovered points to the pseudo-Jihadis and not &#8220;RAW&#8221; as conspiracy quacks allege, below:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=200935" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=200935</a>\story_5-3-2009_pg1_1</p>
<p>LAHORE/KARACHI: Police widened the hunt for clues in Tuesday’s brazen attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore, arresting 250 suspects in province-wide raids – four of which sources in the police said were prime suspects.</p>
<p>The four men included Muhammad Faisal, a brother of Muhammad Adil – the ‘mastermind’ of the attack – sources privy to the probe told Daily Times, adding that they were arrested during raids in Lahore by the Crime Investigation Agency (CIA). Sources in the agency said Adil – who ran sports bikes business on the Outfall Road in Islampura – received a call from one of the attackers at about 9:05am. In the call intercepted by the police, the attacker asks the planner for instructions after the attack, and was told to go to a location near Islampura.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Maryam</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/03/03/terrorists-attack-guest-sri-lankan-cricketers-and-prove-themselves-as-scum/#comment-39855</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Maryam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jazakallahu Khair Anti-Jaysh for your comments. Very insightful from someone on the ground</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jazakallahu Khair Anti-Jaysh for your comments. Very insightful from someone on the ground</p>
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		<title>By: Umm Ismael</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/03/03/terrorists-attack-guest-sri-lankan-cricketers-and-prove-themselves-as-scum/#comment-39841</link>
		<dc:creator>Umm Ismael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 07:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asslam u alaikum wr wb
A sister&#039;s request:
While Pakistan has fallen into degradation and has not met the purpose of its existence, is there a need to further malign it ourselves. We need to pray for it because of the basis of its foundation rather than bad mouth it all the time. There has to be a proactive approach to this issue. There are still people living in Pakistan even if they be in minority who are working for good believing in the purpose of why this land was sought after. So please whatever nationality you are, being a muslim,please pray for us and that ALLAH Make this land what it is was meant for initially. Lastly everyone here &quot;lets come to common terms between us and you&quot;: Killing of innocent civilians is haraam- and we condemnn whoever has done it - Muslim or otherwise. Period! And lets stop this name calling and fighting amongst ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asslam u alaikum wr wb<br />
A sister&#8217;s request:<br />
While Pakistan has fallen into degradation and has not met the purpose of its existence, is there a need to further malign it ourselves. We need to pray for it because of the basis of its foundation rather than bad mouth it all the time. There has to be a proactive approach to this issue. There are still people living in Pakistan even if they be in minority who are working for good believing in the purpose of why this land was sought after. So please whatever nationality you are, being a muslim,please pray for us and that ALLAH Make this land what it is was meant for initially. Lastly everyone here &#8220;lets come to common terms between us and you&#8221;: Killing of innocent civilians is haraam- and we condemnn whoever has done it &#8211; Muslim or otherwise. Period! And lets stop this name calling and fighting amongst ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Abul Hasan</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/03/03/terrorists-attack-guest-sri-lankan-cricketers-and-prove-themselves-as-scum/#comment-39839</link>
		<dc:creator>Abul Hasan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amad:

You still haven&#039;t provided me with any proof that a Jihad group was behind this.

Willing to admit you jumped the gun?

AnonyMuslim:

I have a feeling you&#039;re the well-known Salahdeen/Jaysh/Hanbali. If so, I would advise you to learn some manners when talking to people who are your elders and have more knowledge than you (not a hard task). I&#039;m referring specifically to brother Abu Maryam, hafidhahullah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amad:</p>
<p>You still haven&#8217;t provided me with any proof that a Jihad group was behind this.</p>
<p>Willing to admit you jumped the gun?</p>
<p>AnonyMuslim:</p>
<p>I have a feeling you&#8217;re the well-known Salahdeen/Jaysh/Hanbali. If so, I would advise you to learn some manners when talking to people who are your elders and have more knowledge than you (not a hard task). I&#8217;m referring specifically to brother Abu Maryam, hafidhahullah.</p>
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		<title>By: Taha A</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/03/03/terrorists-attack-guest-sri-lankan-cricketers-and-prove-themselves-as-scum/#comment-39834</link>
		<dc:creator>Taha A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 04:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyonymuslim, 
 You are correct. While there are problems with terrorism, corruption etc. in Pakistan, the reality is that We cannot forget the fact that the west and the United States is far from perfect. There has been almost a million muslim brothers and sisters in Iraq and Afghanistan that have died since occupation, the support of Israel, the holding of many innocent in Guantanimo, abu Gharaib ect... The list goes on and on. I think that there are two views on america in this blog. One is total love for it like brother ARM and the other is of those brothers and sisters living overseas. The United States has many great qualities but its very very very far from perfect</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyonymuslim,<br />
 You are correct. While there are problems with terrorism, corruption etc. in Pakistan, the reality is that We cannot forget the fact that the west and the United States is far from perfect. There has been almost a million muslim brothers and sisters in Iraq and Afghanistan that have died since occupation, the support of Israel, the holding of many innocent in Guantanimo, abu Gharaib ect&#8230; The list goes on and on. I think that there are two views on america in this blog. One is total love for it like brother ARM and the other is of those brothers and sisters living overseas. The United States has many great qualities but its very very very far from perfect</p>
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		<title>By: AnonyMuslim</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2009/03/03/terrorists-attack-guest-sri-lankan-cricketers-and-prove-themselves-as-scum/#comment-39833</link>
		<dc:creator>AnonyMuslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 04:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mezba: excellent points, people with your critical thinking and ability to reflect on its internal shortcomings are the key to defeating total failure in Pakistan.  Ignore the people who would like to blame everyone but themselves for Pakistan&#039;s failures, they are a product of colonized minds.

ARM:  As a member of those who have the privilege of living in a free society, we are morally obligated to condemn shortcomings and failures when they exist here as well.  You bring up a lot of terror attacks which America obviously played no role, however you completely disregard the fact that America&#039;s sanctions and subsequent invasion of Iraq led to millions of deaths.  Let&#039;s not swing to the opposite end of the pendulum and pretend that America is some shining beacon of hope to all of the Muslim world.  American manufactured planes and missiles kill innocent people daily and as Muslims and Americans we must speak out against that injustice as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mezba: excellent points, people with your critical thinking and ability to reflect on its internal shortcomings are the key to defeating total failure in Pakistan.  Ignore the people who would like to blame everyone but themselves for Pakistan&#8217;s failures, they are a product of colonized minds.</p>
<p>ARM:  As a member of those who have the privilege of living in a free society, we are morally obligated to condemn shortcomings and failures when they exist here as well.  You bring up a lot of terror attacks which America obviously played no role, however you completely disregard the fact that America&#8217;s sanctions and subsequent invasion of Iraq led to millions of deaths.  Let&#8217;s not swing to the opposite end of the pendulum and pretend that America is some shining beacon of hope to all of the Muslim world.  American manufactured planes and missiles kill innocent people daily and as Muslims and Americans we must speak out against that injustice as well.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abdur-Rahmaan, you are the last person in the world who should be speaking about condemning violence.  When are you going to condemn the violence in the African-American community?  When you are going to condemn the violence and the imperialist foreign policy by the American govenment?!  If you a use your flimsy logic, then African-Americans shoud shut up next time one of their own is killed by the police because their is way more Black-on-Black violence than the opposite.  Someone whose walaa is totally to the kuffar should be questioned about his Iman.  American started the war against Muslims and now it is reaping what is has sown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abdur-Rahmaan, you are the last person in the world who should be speaking about condemning violence.  When are you going to condemn the violence in the African-American community?  When you are going to condemn the violence and the imperialist foreign policy by the American govenment?!  If you a use your flimsy logic, then African-Americans shoud shut up next time one of their own is killed by the police because their is way more Black-on-Black violence than the opposite.  Someone whose walaa is totally to the kuffar should be questioned about his Iman.  American started the war against Muslims and now it is reaping what is has sown.</p>
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