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	<title>Comments on: Sex &amp; the Ummah: Intimacy and Marital Problems for Victims of Molestation. Part II- C/D</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Brother XYZ</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wa alaikumusalam,

It was a question I had - not because of someone&#039;s suggestion. Jazakallahu Khayran.

Wassalam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wa alaikumusalam,</p>
<p>It was a question I had &#8211; not because of someone&#8217;s suggestion. Jazakallahu Khayran.</p>
<p>Wassalam</p>
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		<title>By: concerned</title>
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		<dc:creator>concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry forgot to add... Not sure how long you have been supporting this person keep it mind it can be a&lt;strong&gt; long process,&lt;/strong&gt; which, as you said requires patience. However, nothing wrong with seeking help from doc and psych. Infact perhaps even more reason to. Each case it different - each person has their own issues and to be honest it can be a lifelong process for some people. meaning some things they will have to work on for longer. It doesn&#039;t just &#039;disappear&#039; but Alhamdulillah can be &#039;managed&#039; - think of it like asthma (crazy exampleI know!). As you long as you find the right combo of medication and take it as prescribed you&#039;re basically asthma free and sometimes you may not even need to take medication anymore BUT sometimes out of the blue it will/may flare up. This is the analogy I think is apt for abuse survivors - they work through it deal with it, feel ok get on with life and then it pops up again.

All the best inshaAllah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry forgot to add&#8230; Not sure how long you have been supporting this person keep it mind it can be a<strong> long process,</strong> which, as you said requires patience. However, nothing wrong with seeking help from doc and psych. Infact perhaps even more reason to. Each case it different &#8211; each person has their own issues and to be honest it can be a lifelong process for some people. meaning some things they will have to work on for longer. It doesn&#8217;t just &#8216;disappear&#8217; but Alhamdulillah can be &#8216;managed&#8217; &#8211; think of it like asthma (crazy exampleI know!). As you long as you find the right combo of medication and take it as prescribed you&#8217;re basically asthma free and sometimes you may not even need to take medication anymore BUT sometimes out of the blue it will/may flare up. This is the analogy I think is apt for abuse survivors &#8211; they work through it deal with it, feel ok get on with life and then it pops up again.</p>
<p>All the best inshaAllah.</p>
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		<title>By: concerned</title>
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		<dc:creator>concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wa Jazak and Ameen to your dua. I&#039;m glad it helped Alhamdulillah. This maybe a bit off topic but I felt I had to respond to some of the points you raise in your post above.


&gt;&gt;jazakallah khair for your reply â€œConcernedâ€. Amazing how much a stranger can sense and feel the anguish and pain through a few words and hit the nail on the head about manipulation. &lt;strong&gt;I having been trying for a long time to help a loved one who is a victim of molestation. &lt;/strong&gt;If anyone had pre-warnde me that I would be dealing with the situations I am having to deal with I would have thought â€œno wayâ€.. but when it is someone you love Allah naturally places more rahmah than you can imagine into your heart and make you so strong and capable and guides you into doing the right thing and being the best you can. &lt;strong&gt;Though I am in an awful situation I can honestly still see it as a blessing..this tough situation is making it very easy for me to develop patience and closeness to my creator, however I am a mere mortal. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;When you try so sincerely and so hard and strive to protect someone you love for them to deceive you or attack you over and over again, when you are the one giving up on your life just to get them to some level of normality and in return they say all the right words and follow it with more of the wrong and harmful deedsâ€¦&lt;/em&gt;it is upsetting, but your duas and kind words did help, so thank you and may Allah reward you greatly ameen.&lt;&lt;


 &lt;strong&gt;I having been trying for a long time to help a loved one who is a victim of molestation. &lt;/strong&gt;

MashaAllah may Allah reward you and make you strong. I think sometimes (and I maybe wrong or generalising here!) we want to help people and feel we can and do, however, there maybe a point where we realise &#039;my&#039; help isn&#039;t enough or my help isn&#039;t benefitting. It&#039;s tough supporting someone who has been through abuse and don&#039;t feel afraid to admit to yourself or to them that you can&#039;t do no more to help them. Refer them on or ask them to seek professional help just as you would with a physical illness. Are we all capable of curing physical ailments?? we refer to the expert.

&lt;strong&gt;&#039;Though I am in an awful situation I can honestly still see it as a blessing..this tough situation is making it very easy for me to develop patience and closeness to my creator, however&lt;em&gt; I am a mere mortal.&#039;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

Alhamdulillah you feel you have benefited and developed patience - just take care of &lt;strong&gt;you&lt;/strong&gt; too and make sure you don&#039;t burn out inshaAllah! As you yourself said you are a &#039;mere mortal&#039; not superhuman... keep that in mind inshaAllah. 


&#039;When you try so sincerely and so hard and strive to protect someone you love for them to deceive you or attack you over and over again, when you are the one giving up on your life just to get them to some level of normality and in return they say all the right words and follow it with more of the wrong and harmful deeds...&#039;


May Allah help you and them and make this affair easy. Ameen. I&#039;m not sure how old the person you are dealing with is. However, I am going to assume they are adult... I can see you really care for this individual from your post mashaAllah and you seem to be putting yourself out to help them. Just keep in mind with any individual we are trying to help... &lt;em&gt;we can only help them if they help themselves.&lt;/em&gt;. i.e. they must want to &#039;change&#039; and must have some motivation to better their situation. Otherwise it&#039;s a losing battle and I&#039;m not sure they will benefit. Even in therapy, medication etc people have to play &lt;strong&gt;their &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;part &lt;/strong&gt;and &lt;strong&gt;want &lt;/strong&gt;it. Take the medication etc otherwise there&#039;s &lt;strong&gt;nothing &lt;/strong&gt;more the dr can do - he can&#039;t &lt;strong&gt;force &lt;/strong&gt;the person! I hope you see my point inshaAllah. You cannot force this person to change or take up all you are doing, their needs to be some intrinsic motivation on their part also inshaAllah. Please don&#039;t cause yourself harm in the process. I know this may sound over the top but it already seems like you are very frustrated and upset no doubt it is also affecting you. Keep things in perspective inshaAllah. Oh and don&#039;t forget we don&#039;t always need to tip toe around people and be overly gentle and nice sometimes we need a good old shaking and reminder of home truths - without the sugar coating! InshaAllah you know the situation better. Aplogies if anything I&#039;ve said causes offence or if I&#039;ve simply stated things you already know! Regardless, I hope it is of some use to you inshaAllah.

In the end Allah knows best. Praying things work out for your loved one and Allah shows them the light. Ameen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wa Jazak and Ameen to your dua. I&#8217;m glad it helped Alhamdulillah. This maybe a bit off topic but I felt I had to respond to some of the points you raise in your post above.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;jazakallah khair for your reply â€œConcernedâ€. Amazing how much a stranger can sense and feel the anguish and pain through a few words and hit the nail on the head about manipulation. <strong>I having been trying for a long time to help a loved one who is a victim of molestation. </strong>If anyone had pre-warnde me that I would be dealing with the situations I am having to deal with I would have thought â€œno wayâ€.. but when it is someone you love Allah naturally places more rahmah than you can imagine into your heart and make you so strong and capable and guides you into doing the right thing and being the best you can. <strong>Though I am in an awful situation I can honestly still see it as a blessing..this tough situation is making it very easy for me to develop patience and closeness to my creator, however I am a mere mortal. </strong><em>When you try so sincerely and so hard and strive to protect someone you love for them to deceive you or attack you over and over again, when you are the one giving up on your life just to get them to some level of normality and in return they say all the right words and follow it with more of the wrong and harmful deedsâ€¦</em>it is upsetting, but your duas and kind words did help, so thank you and may Allah reward you greatly ameen.&lt;&lt;</p>
<p> <strong>I having been trying for a long time to help a loved one who is a victim of molestation. </strong></p>
<p>MashaAllah may Allah reward you and make you strong. I think sometimes (and I maybe wrong or generalising here!) we want to help people and feel we can and do, however, there maybe a point where we realise &#8216;my&#8217; help isn&#8217;t enough or my help isn&#8217;t benefitting. It&#8217;s tough supporting someone who has been through abuse and don&#8217;t feel afraid to admit to yourself or to them that you can&#8217;t do no more to help them. Refer them on or ask them to seek professional help just as you would with a physical illness. Are we all capable of curing physical ailments?? we refer to the expert.</p>
<p><strong>&#8216;Though I am in an awful situation I can honestly still see it as a blessing..this tough situation is making it very easy for me to develop patience and closeness to my creator, however<em> I am a mere mortal.&#8217;</em></strong></p>
<p>Alhamdulillah you feel you have benefited and developed patience &#8211; just take care of <strong>you</strong> too and make sure you don&#8217;t burn out inshaAllah! As you yourself said you are a &#8216;mere mortal&#8217; not superhuman&#8230; keep that in mind inshaAllah. </p>
<p>&#8216;When you try so sincerely and so hard and strive to protect someone you love for them to deceive you or attack you over and over again, when you are the one giving up on your life just to get them to some level of normality and in return they say all the right words and follow it with more of the wrong and harmful deeds&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>May Allah help you and them and make this affair easy. Ameen. I&#8217;m not sure how old the person you are dealing with is. However, I am going to assume they are adult&#8230; I can see you really care for this individual from your post mashaAllah and you seem to be putting yourself out to help them. Just keep in mind with any individual we are trying to help&#8230; <em>we can only help them if they help themselves.</em>. i.e. they must want to &#8216;change&#8217; and must have some motivation to better their situation. Otherwise it&#8217;s a losing battle and I&#8217;m not sure they will benefit. Even in therapy, medication etc people have to play <strong>their </strong><strong>part </strong>and <strong>want </strong>it. Take the medication etc otherwise there&#8217;s <strong>nothing </strong>more the dr can do &#8211; he can&#8217;t <strong>force </strong>the person! I hope you see my point inshaAllah. You cannot force this person to change or take up all you are doing, their needs to be some intrinsic motivation on their part also inshaAllah. Please don&#8217;t cause yourself harm in the process. I know this may sound over the top but it already seems like you are very frustrated and upset no doubt it is also affecting you. Keep things in perspective inshaAllah. Oh and don&#8217;t forget we don&#8217;t always need to tip toe around people and be overly gentle and nice sometimes we need a good old shaking and reminder of home truths &#8211; without the sugar coating! InshaAllah you know the situation better. Aplogies if anything I&#8217;ve said causes offence or if I&#8217;ve simply stated things you already know! Regardless, I hope it is of some use to you inshaAllah.</p>
<p>In the end Allah knows best. Praying things work out for your loved one and Allah shows them the light. Ameen.</p>
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		<title>By: za-za</title>
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		<dc:creator>za-za</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>w.salam

jazakallah khair for your reply &quot;Concerned&quot;. Amazing how much a stranger can sense and feel the anguish and pain through a few words and hit the nail on the head about manipulation. I having been trying for a long time to help a loved one who is a victim of molestation. If anyone had pre-warnde me that I would be dealing with the situations I am having to deal with I would have thought &quot;no way&quot;.. but when it is someone you love Allah naturally places more rahmah than you can imagine into your heart and make you so strong and capable and guides you into doing the right thing and being the best you can. Though I am in an awful situation I can honestly still see it as a blessing..this tough situation is making it very easy for me to develop patience and closeness to my creator, however I am a mere mortal. When you try so sincerely and so hard and strive to protect someone you love for them to deceive you or attack you over and over again, when you are the one giving up on your life just to get them to some level of normality and in return they say all the right words and follow it with more of the wrong and harmful deeds...it is upsetting, but your duas and kind words did help, so thank you and may Allah reward you greatly ameen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>w.salam</p>
<p>jazakallah khair for your reply &#8220;Concerned&#8221;. Amazing how much a stranger can sense and feel the anguish and pain through a few words and hit the nail on the head about manipulation. I having been trying for a long time to help a loved one who is a victim of molestation. If anyone had pre-warnde me that I would be dealing with the situations I am having to deal with I would have thought &#8220;no way&#8221;.. but when it is someone you love Allah naturally places more rahmah than you can imagine into your heart and make you so strong and capable and guides you into doing the right thing and being the best you can. Though I am in an awful situation I can honestly still see it as a blessing..this tough situation is making it very easy for me to develop patience and closeness to my creator, however I am a mere mortal. When you try so sincerely and so hard and strive to protect someone you love for them to deceive you or attack you over and over again, when you are the one giving up on your life just to get them to some level of normality and in return they say all the right words and follow it with more of the wrong and harmful deeds&#8230;it is upsetting, but your duas and kind words did help, so thank you and may Allah reward you greatly ameen.</p>
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		<title>By: concerned</title>
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		<dc:creator>concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add I may have it all wrong but from your post I sense and get the impression you are perhaps upset (?) and troubled by something(?) Feeling let down perhaps(?)  Please forgive me if I have read the post wrong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add I may have it all wrong but from your post I sense and get the impression you are perhaps upset (?) and troubled by something(?) Feeling let down perhaps(?)  Please forgive me if I have read the post wrong!</p>
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		<title>By: concerned</title>
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		<dc:creator>concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalamu alaikum za-za,

Firstly, let me begin by saying may Allah make your affairs easy and rectify them. May he unite you and your loved one&#039;s upon righteousness, granting you good in both lives! Ameen.

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&#039;I am really sorry I have made you feel the need to justify your points stressing on mercy and compassion.&#039;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Please &lt;strong&gt;don&#039;t apologise&lt;/strong&gt;! You didn&#039;t &lt;strong&gt;make &lt;/strong&gt;me do anything least of all &lt;strong&gt;justify &lt;/strong&gt;my points. I wanted to explain what I had said as I know sometimes these things can be misconstrued and as you &lt;strong&gt;rightly &lt;/strong&gt;pointed out everything gets explained away mercy and compassion. We however, cannot judge a person&#039;s intent we simply judge them by their action, thus we don&#039;t know if they are genuinely remorseful or simply using it to get away - but we leave that to Allah.


&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&#039;I think my earlier comment came from frustration of having dished out mercy and compassion incessantly but willingly for what seems like forever only to get my fingers burnt again and again&#039;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; 

I &lt;strong&gt;hear &lt;/strong&gt;you and can sense the pain (?) and anguish in your words. When you try to do good and have it thrown back at you it surely does cause upset, however, rejoice in the knowledge that inshaAllah you will get the reward for the good you do regardless of wether others &lt;strong&gt;appreciate &lt;/strong&gt;it or not! we know this from the Qur&#039;an and Hadith you are rewarded for your good. 

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&#039;â€¦sometimes people latch on to the justification for their wrong deeds and couple it with the knowledge that â€ Allah is most Merciful He will forgive me and the people Im hurtin through my weakness will forgive me because they love me and they know why I am weakâ€â€¦ &#039;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Point taken and I &lt;strong&gt;understand &lt;/strong&gt; what you are saying inshaAllah however refer to above comments. As I said Allah is the judge of the hearts. What you describe sounds like manipulation! Which is disgusting subhanAllah - delusional and so sure of attaining forgiveness? In fact even making excuses! You are right we can only &lt;strong&gt;try&lt;/strong&gt; to advise and steer our loved one&#039;s away from these things - we can&#039;t &lt;strong&gt;make &lt;/strong&gt;them or &lt;strong&gt;force &lt;/strong&gt;them. It reminds of something I&#039;ve noticed a lot... when things go wrong for some reason people attribute it to Allah - it was &#039;meant&#039; to be - Qadar etc etc. BUT when things are all rosy it&#039;s not attributed to Allah with the same eagerness... I think the first instance of attributing to Allah is basically excusing yourself from blame and Allah knows best!

However, what I was referring to in my post was not people generally but specifically to victims of child abuse and the problems, issues,  barriers they encounter.

I hope the above inshaAllah, is of some use and reassurance to you za-za. In the end I pray Allah removes your difficulties and replaces them with sweet relief. May Allah give us the ability to remain upon good.Ameen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalamu alaikum za-za,</p>
<p>Firstly, let me begin by saying may Allah make your affairs easy and rectify them. May he unite you and your loved one&#8217;s upon righteousness, granting you good in both lives! Ameen.</p>
<p><em><strong>&#8216;I am really sorry I have made you feel the need to justify your points stressing on mercy and compassion.&#8217;</strong></em></p>
<p>Please <strong>don&#8217;t apologise</strong>! You didn&#8217;t <strong>make </strong>me do anything least of all <strong>justify </strong>my points. I wanted to explain what I had said as I know sometimes these things can be misconstrued and as you <strong>rightly </strong>pointed out everything gets explained away mercy and compassion. We however, cannot judge a person&#8217;s intent we simply judge them by their action, thus we don&#8217;t know if they are genuinely remorseful or simply using it to get away &#8211; but we leave that to Allah.</p>
<p><em><strong></strong><strong>&#8216;I think my earlier comment came from frustration of having dished out mercy and compassion incessantly but willingly for what seems like forever only to get my fingers burnt again and again&#8217;</strong></em> </p>
<p>I <strong>hear </strong>you and can sense the pain (?) and anguish in your words. When you try to do good and have it thrown back at you it surely does cause upset, however, rejoice in the knowledge that inshaAllah you will get the reward for the good you do regardless of wether others <strong>appreciate </strong>it or not! we know this from the Qur&#8217;an and Hadith you are rewarded for your good. </p>
<p><em><strong>&#8216;â€¦sometimes people latch on to the justification for their wrong deeds and couple it with the knowledge that â€ Allah is most Merciful He will forgive me and the people Im hurtin through my weakness will forgive me because they love me and they know why I am weakâ€â€¦ &#8216;</strong></em></p>
<p>Point taken and I <strong>understand </strong> what you are saying inshaAllah however refer to above comments. As I said Allah is the judge of the hearts. What you describe sounds like manipulation! Which is disgusting subhanAllah &#8211; delusional and so sure of attaining forgiveness? In fact even making excuses! You are right we can only <strong>try</strong> to advise and steer our loved one&#8217;s away from these things &#8211; we can&#8217;t <strong>make </strong>them or <strong>force </strong>them. It reminds of something I&#8217;ve noticed a lot&#8230; when things go wrong for some reason people attribute it to Allah &#8211; it was &#8216;meant&#8217; to be &#8211; Qadar etc etc. BUT when things are all rosy it&#8217;s not attributed to Allah with the same eagerness&#8230; I think the first instance of attributing to Allah is basically excusing yourself from blame and Allah knows best!</p>
<p>However, what I was referring to in my post was not people generally but specifically to victims of child abuse and the problems, issues,  barriers they encounter.</p>
<p>I hope the above inshaAllah, is of some use and reassurance to you za-za. In the end I pray Allah removes your difficulties and replaces them with sweet relief. May Allah give us the ability to remain upon good.Ameen.</p>
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		<title>By: za-za</title>
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		<dc:creator>za-za</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes everything you say makes absolute sense mashaAllah and I am really sorry I have made you feel the need to justify your points stressing on mercy and compassion. I have been in agreement with you and admire the eloquence with which you make the point. I fully comprehend that victim or no victim, zani or not, open sinner or secret sinner, not one human on this earth is here to judge, we have to always look at ourselve first as we all have faults we are not proud of. Also only the Almighty knows what is in each heart and only He can judge.
I think my earlier comment came from frustration of having dished out mercy and compassion incessantly but willingly for what seems like forever only to get my fingers burnt again and again...sometimes people latch on to the justification for their wrong deeds and couple it with the knowledge that &quot; Allah is most Merciful He will forgive me and the people Im hurtin through my weakness will forgive me because they love me and they know why I am weak&quot;... You can not shake sense into the person, you can not lecture, you can only try with gentleness because as you said shaytan preys on the vulnerable and you do not wish to lose your loved one to a shaytan by making them feel worse but sometimes the rahmah is taken advantage of and it does hurt that is all. Anyway just a tough day ,please pray for me and my loved ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes everything you say makes absolute sense mashaAllah and I am really sorry I have made you feel the need to justify your points stressing on mercy and compassion. I have been in agreement with you and admire the eloquence with which you make the point. I fully comprehend that victim or no victim, zani or not, open sinner or secret sinner, not one human on this earth is here to judge, we have to always look at ourselve first as we all have faults we are not proud of. Also only the Almighty knows what is in each heart and only He can judge.<br />
I think my earlier comment came from frustration of having dished out mercy and compassion incessantly but willingly for what seems like forever only to get my fingers burnt again and again&#8230;sometimes people latch on to the justification for their wrong deeds and couple it with the knowledge that &#8221; Allah is most Merciful He will forgive me and the people Im hurtin through my weakness will forgive me because they love me and they know why I am weak&#8221;&#8230; You can not shake sense into the person, you can not lecture, you can only try with gentleness because as you said shaytan preys on the vulnerable and you do not wish to lose your loved one to a shaytan by making them feel worse but sometimes the rahmah is taken advantage of and it does hurt that is all. Anyway just a tough day ,please pray for me and my loved ones.</p>
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		<title>By: concerned</title>
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		<dc:creator>concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&#039;Life is a test and fitnah of all forms will come, each individual will be tested and the way we handle the test is what will make or break our relation with our Creator. The difference between believers and non-believers is that we should â€œescapeâ€ towards Allah not away from Him.&#039;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

Life indeed is a test - a test of one&#039;s stamina, a test of endurance, a test of imaan. It is indeed these tests which testify for our Imaan or vice versa. Test either make or break a person and as you said make or break our relationship with the Creator. May Allah protect us.

However, in the case of the people we are talking about - victims of molestation. Often their self perception is so distorted they feel they are not worthy of anything and deserve punishment - I guess whispers from shaytan don&#039;t help and he must rejoice in taking these people further from Allah. So, these people view their life, their experiences as a punishment for their sins and badness and Allah knows best. I am not claiming this is always the case.

For these reasons I mentioned compassion and mercy, reminders of hope and returning to Allah as opposed to the wrath and wrongness of their doing. I hope that makes sense inshaAllah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><em>&#8216;Life is a test and fitnah of all forms will come, each individual will be tested and the way we handle the test is what will make or break our relation with our Creator. The difference between believers and non-believers is that we should â€œescapeâ€ towards Allah not away from Him.&#8217;</em></strong></p>
<p>Life indeed is a test &#8211; a test of one&#8217;s stamina, a test of endurance, a test of imaan. It is indeed these tests which testify for our Imaan or vice versa. Test either make or break a person and as you said make or break our relationship with the Creator. May Allah protect us.</p>
<p>However, in the case of the people we are talking about &#8211; victims of molestation. Often their self perception is so distorted they feel they are not worthy of anything and deserve punishment &#8211; I guess whispers from shaytan don&#8217;t help and he must rejoice in taking these people further from Allah. So, these people view their life, their experiences as a punishment for their sins and badness and Allah knows best. I am not claiming this is always the case.</p>
<p>For these reasons I mentioned compassion and mercy, reminders of hope and returning to Allah as opposed to the wrath and wrongness of their doing. I hope that makes sense inshaAllah.</p>
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		<title>By: concerned</title>
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		<dc:creator>concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JazakAllahu Khairan for your response. I &lt;strong&gt;agree with all &lt;/strong&gt;you have said mashaAllah. We continue to forbid the evil and enjoin the good - but it is also about tact and how we do it - will our doing so drive the person further into despair and away from the deen or will it benefit them? Will the benefit outweigh the harm or vice versa? It&#039;s crucial these aspects are assessed. I like what you say about subtlety MashaAllah. Often when a person comes to you with issues such as self harm etc&lt;strong&gt; they know they are doing wrong and in most cases are at the end of their tether&lt;/strong&gt; what they are seeking is support and help advice is trying to overcome the issues - This is the point I was making. If someone does happen to approach us &lt;strong&gt;we need to be very careful of what we say and how we say&lt;/strong&gt; - as our words could literally make or break the person. If someone is suicidal and comes to you - they will most likely know it is haraam hence seeking the support out of &lt;strong&gt;desperation &lt;/strong&gt;- if in response they are told you are displeased with Allah&#039;s decree etc is that really going to help them or do they need to be told that? There&#039;s that response or the response which contains reminders of Allah&#039;s mercy which will give hope to the suicidal person - verses from the Qur&#039;an, Ahadeeth etc etc. As I said, it&#039;s about tact...

The sunnah of the Messenger is full of wisdom and insight we need to take from this - for example the case (paraphrased) of the person who came to the prophet saying they had committed zina...what did the Prophet do?? He turned his face away, the person kept telling him... What would we do if someone came and disclosed that??

the case of the man who urinated in the masjid - what did the people do?&lt;strong&gt; what did the Prophet do?&lt;/strong&gt;

Is there ever a point for a Muslim no matter how bad to lose hope or to be made to feel there is no turning back??

I think sometimes in our &lt;strong&gt;zeal&lt;/strong&gt; we can lose sight and become overly harsh or critical - we need to remember the example of the messenger.

Allah knows best.

Anything correct from Allah errors from myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JazakAllahu Khairan for your response. I <strong>agree with all </strong>you have said mashaAllah. We continue to forbid the evil and enjoin the good &#8211; but it is also about tact and how we do it &#8211; will our doing so drive the person further into despair and away from the deen or will it benefit them? Will the benefit outweigh the harm or vice versa? It&#8217;s crucial these aspects are assessed. I like what you say about subtlety MashaAllah. Often when a person comes to you with issues such as self harm etc<strong> they know they are doing wrong and in most cases are at the end of their tether</strong> what they are seeking is support and help advice is trying to overcome the issues &#8211; This is the point I was making. If someone does happen to approach us <strong>we need to be very careful of what we say and how we say</strong> &#8211; as our words could literally make or break the person. If someone is suicidal and comes to you &#8211; they will most likely know it is haraam hence seeking the support out of <strong>desperation </strong>- if in response they are told you are displeased with Allah&#8217;s decree etc is that really going to help them or do they need to be told that? There&#8217;s that response or the response which contains reminders of Allah&#8217;s mercy which will give hope to the suicidal person &#8211; verses from the Qur&#8217;an, Ahadeeth etc etc. As I said, it&#8217;s about tact&#8230;</p>
<p>The sunnah of the Messenger is full of wisdom and insight we need to take from this &#8211; for example the case (paraphrased) of the person who came to the prophet saying they had committed zina&#8230;what did the Prophet do?? He turned his face away, the person kept telling him&#8230; What would we do if someone came and disclosed that??</p>
<p>the case of the man who urinated in the masjid &#8211; what did the people do?<strong> what did the Prophet do?</strong></p>
<p>Is there ever a point for a Muslim no matter how bad to lose hope or to be made to feel there is no turning back??</p>
<p>I think sometimes in our <strong>zeal</strong> we can lose sight and become overly harsh or critical &#8211; we need to remember the example of the messenger.</p>
<p>Allah knows best.</p>
<p>Anything correct from Allah errors from myself.</p>
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		<title>By: za-za</title>
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		<dc:creator>za-za</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>understand your comments about being understanding and supportive to victims. I get that through being violated at young ages usually, victims/survivors sometimes develop a heightened sense of sexuality and also rebel against the lack of control through promiscuity. I get they need support and undrstanding and when they stray we have to understand and not judge...you are absoulutely correct stating deen is about mercy and compassion, however one point I&#039;d like to make is deen is also about &quot;enjoining good and forbidding evil&quot;...no matter whether the person is your mother or a stranger, it is our duty to enjoin good and forbid evil, so no a victim/survivor may not want to be reprimanded with &quot;dont you know it&#039;s zina, dont you knoiw this is harmful&quot;..however victim/survivor or a layman, a believer is a believer.We can look into all the pschological reasons for why people become alcoholics, drug addicts, gamblers, promiscuos..and when we hear the psyhological reasoning ofcourse we have even more sympathy and compassion especailly muslims towards a fellow muslim, most good people do not judge. However haram is haram, zinah is zinah and the rules are not bent for annyone, so we cannot turn a blind eye to something being wrong! We can guide, advise sincerely and with tact and subtlety and that is our duty toward fellow muslims. If you were to walk down a path lined with thorns would you not want someone to stop you? Firstly we should make gentle attempts but if they do not work would you not just grab your brother off the path to protect him/her?
Life is a test and fitnah of all forms will come, each individual will be tested and the way we handle the test is what will make or break our relation with our Creator. The difference between believers and non-believers is that we should &quot;escape&quot; towards Allah not away from Him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>understand your comments about being understanding and supportive to victims. I get that through being violated at young ages usually, victims/survivors sometimes develop a heightened sense of sexuality and also rebel against the lack of control through promiscuity. I get they need support and undrstanding and when they stray we have to understand and not judge&#8230;you are absoulutely correct stating deen is about mercy and compassion, however one point I&#8217;d like to make is deen is also about &#8220;enjoining good and forbidding evil&#8221;&#8230;no matter whether the person is your mother or a stranger, it is our duty to enjoin good and forbid evil, so no a victim/survivor may not want to be reprimanded with &#8220;dont you know it&#8217;s zina, dont you knoiw this is harmful&#8221;..however victim/survivor or a layman, a believer is a believer.We can look into all the pschological reasons for why people become alcoholics, drug addicts, gamblers, promiscuos..and when we hear the psyhological reasoning ofcourse we have even more sympathy and compassion especailly muslims towards a fellow muslim, most good people do not judge. However haram is haram, zinah is zinah and the rules are not bent for annyone, so we cannot turn a blind eye to something being wrong! We can guide, advise sincerely and with tact and subtlety and that is our duty toward fellow muslims. If you were to walk down a path lined with thorns would you not want someone to stop you? Firstly we should make gentle attempts but if they do not work would you not just grab your brother off the path to protect him/her?<br />
Life is a test and fitnah of all forms will come, each individual will be tested and the way we handle the test is what will make or break our relation with our Creator. The difference between believers and non-believers is that we should &#8220;escape&#8221; towards Allah not away from Him.</p>
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