Comments on: My Passion for Jesus Christ http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/my-passion-for-jesus-christ/ Discourses in the Intellectual Traditions, Political Situation, and Social Ethics of Muslim Life Thu, 24 May 2012 00:04:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Isa http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/my-passion-for-jesus-christ/#comment-63695 Isa Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:37:20 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/my-passion-for-jesus-christ/#comment-63695 as-salaamu'alaikum, Jazaakumullaahu khayran for the comments and the healthy dialogue. If we exceded any boundries, I ask Allah to forgive us all! I am blogging again at - www.brotherisa.wordpress.com Baarakullaahu feekum was-salaamu'alaikum Brent (Isa) Graham as-salaamu’alaikum,

Jazaakumullaahu khayran for the comments and the healthy dialogue. If we exceded any boundries, I ask Allah to forgive us all!

I am blogging again at – http://www.brotherisa.wordpress.com

Baarakullaahu feekum

was-salaamu’alaikum

Brent (Isa) Graham

]]> By: Osman http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/my-passion-for-jesus-christ/#comment-54292 Osman Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:19:32 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/my-passion-for-jesus-christ/#comment-54292 Mashallah Great article!! Mashallah Great article!!

]]> By: C F E with truth http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/my-passion-for-jesus-christ/#comment-43516 C F E with truth Thu, 21 May 2009 19:48:35 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/my-passion-for-jesus-christ/#comment-43516 <strong>What specific way Quran is better than Bible?. In brief...</strong> According to Bible Jesus (pbuh) and his message(Gospel) was from God, but meant for those people and at that time Matthew 15:24 - But he answered and said, I am NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL. But there are some verses in bible which say to preach gospel to all but all those verses were attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in the form of dream or resurrected Jesus (pbuh) but actually Jesus (pbuh) in his life never said so. He even prohibited to go to gentiles (non Jews). . Matthew 10 : 5 - These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, GO NOT INTO THE WAY OF THE GENTILES, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6- But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. You can see the life of Jesus (pbuh) and his preaching. Interestingly he did NOT EVEN SELECT SINGLE DISCIPLE FROM GENTILES. All of them were Jews only. Not a single gentile was converted to Christianity during his life time. Bible is written by human authors and many of them not known and even if known this is not completely true. First five books including Deuteronomy are supposed to be written by Moses , but when you see text this is not correct e.g. Deuteronomy 34: 5 - SO MOSES THE SERVANT OF THE LORD DIED there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. 6 - And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day. 7 - And MOSES [WAS] AN HUNDRED AND TWENTY YEARS OLD WHEN HE DIED: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated. See here Moses is writing about his death scene. Imagine Moses is writing that, “ Moses died”. Please don’t tell that only verses like this were not from Moses but all others were. Why confusion? Does God create confusion like this especially regarding his holy scriptures. Bible doesn’t support this. 1 Corinthians 14: 33- For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Amazingly it is believed in Christianity that even though writers were human they had got these all as revelation from God. But the writer says opposite. Luke 1:1-4 …….. 2 - Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were EYEWITNESSES, and ministers of the word; 3 - It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, TO WRITE UNTO THEE IN ORDER, …… Luke is saying that what he HEARD FROM EYEWITNESSES, he was writing, but Our Christian brothers don’t believe this verse and believe others. They are very selective in believing. What suits them, they will believe. So Bible according to bible writer is HEARD VERSION not revealed or inspired version. And you would surely agree with me that it includes word of God, word of Jesus (pbuh) and word of many historians and many other things not suitable for us to speak regarding that. So Bible is NOT WHOLLY THE WORD OF GOD. That is the reason there are thousands of manuscripts of bible and no two are exact duplicate. And every few years Bible scholars are sitting and verifying them and then doing editing and create new versions (not translations). And this (interpolation in bible) was with God’s knowledge and he did not mind to preserve it as it was meant for those people and at that time. But when it comes to Quran God himself took responsibility of preserving this book . Quran 15:9 - Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur'ân) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption) . And we have seen in the last discussions, how was it preserved. And we have the proof in libraries where such manuscripts are still there without a change of word. And for Bible versions, you don’t have to go far away, just go to any near shop and can have different versions with difference of verses and even chapters. As far as Quran is concerned it was revealed through angel Gabrael to Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and the whole book is in this format of word of God unlike Bible. Stories and tradition of Prophets are in Hadiths and story of historians are in other books. So this is the difference between Quran and Bible in short. So you have two bottles of water to drink, one fully testified, pure and well preserved, while the other one (also bottle with water) whose purity is doubtful, when testified fails miserably and kept open for adulteration. It is up to you to decide. Brother if you have doubt about any verse of Quran, quote me ONE BY ONE and tell, what you feel wrong in it. Please don’t bombard me with verses (typical Orientalists’ approach). Inshallah I’ll try to solve your problem. I pray God to guide you and me to The Truth. What specific way Quran is better than Bible?. In brief…

According to Bible Jesus (pbuh) and his message(Gospel) was from God, but meant for those people and at that time
Matthew 15:24 – But he answered and said, I am NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL.
But there are some verses in bible which say to preach gospel to all but all those verses were attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in the form of dream or resurrected Jesus (pbuh) but actually Jesus (pbuh) in his life never said so. He even prohibited to go to gentiles (non Jews). .
Matthew 10 : 5 – These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, GO NOT INTO THE WAY OF THE GENTILES, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6- But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
You can see the life of Jesus (pbuh) and his preaching. Interestingly he did NOT EVEN SELECT SINGLE DISCIPLE FROM GENTILES. All of them were Jews only. Not a single gentile was converted to Christianity during his life time.
Bible is written by human authors and many of them not known and even if known this is not completely true. First five books including Deuteronomy are supposed to be written by Moses , but when you see text this is not correct e.g.
Deuteronomy 34: 5 – SO MOSES THE SERVANT OF THE LORD DIED there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. 6 – And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day. 7 – And MOSES [WAS] AN HUNDRED AND TWENTY YEARS OLD WHEN HE DIED: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.
See here Moses is writing about his death scene. Imagine Moses is writing that, “ Moses died”. Please don’t tell that only verses like this were not from Moses but all others were. Why confusion? Does God create confusion like this especially regarding his holy scriptures. Bible doesn’t support this.
1 Corinthians 14: 33- For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Amazingly it is believed in Christianity that even though writers were human they had got these all as revelation from God. But the writer says opposite.
Luke 1:1-4 …….. 2 – Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were EYEWITNESSES, and ministers of the word; 3 – It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, TO WRITE UNTO THEE IN ORDER, ……
Luke is saying that what he HEARD FROM EYEWITNESSES, he was writing, but Our Christian brothers don’t believe this verse and believe others. They are very selective in believing. What suits them, they will believe. So Bible according to bible writer is HEARD VERSION not revealed or inspired version. And you would surely agree with me that it includes word of God, word of Jesus (pbuh) and word of many historians and many other things not suitable for us to speak regarding that. So Bible is NOT WHOLLY THE WORD OF GOD.
That is the reason there are thousands of manuscripts of bible and no two are exact duplicate. And every few years Bible scholars are sitting and verifying them and then doing editing and create new versions (not translations).
And this (interpolation in bible) was with God’s knowledge and he did not mind to preserve it as it was meant for those people and at that time. But when it comes to Quran God himself took responsibility of preserving this book . Quran 15:9 – Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’ân) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption) .
And we have seen in the last discussions, how was it preserved. And we have the proof in libraries where such manuscripts are still there without a change of word. And for Bible versions, you don’t have to go far away, just go to any near shop and can have different versions with difference of verses and even chapters.
As far as Quran is concerned it was revealed through angel Gabrael to Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and the whole book is in this format of word of God unlike Bible. Stories and tradition of Prophets are in Hadiths and story of historians are in other books.
So this is the difference between Quran and Bible in short. So you have two bottles of water to drink, one fully testified, pure and well preserved, while the other one (also bottle with water) whose purity is doubtful, when testified fails miserably and kept open for adulteration. It is up to you to decide.
Brother if you have doubt about any verse of Quran, quote me ONE BY ONE and tell, what you feel wrong in it. Please don’t bombard me with verses (typical Orientalists’ approach). Inshallah I’ll try to solve your problem. I pray God to guide you and me to The Truth.

]]> By: C F E with truth http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/my-passion-for-jesus-christ/#comment-43515 C F E with truth Thu, 21 May 2009 19:42:20 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/my-passion-for-jesus-christ/#comment-43515 Brother Nur, I never told that you were Shia. I was expecting you to be a Jew or Christian with good approach to Orientalists (but never Muslim). Actually, Orientalists took these points (baseless) from Shias’ literatures to prove that Quran was fabricated. Your story, if it is believed to be true is really unfortunate. You think, you got the light of Christ. Truly, if you had really got the light of Christ, you would have been successful. The light which you are thinking of christ’s are actually light of Paul (better to call darkness). You can be salvated through Jesus (pbuh) but surely not through Paul. What you think salvation is actually ditch. Real salvation is what Jesus (pbuh) told not Paul. E.g. <strong>Jesus (pbuh) told regarding salvation:</strong> Matthew 5:17 - Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18- For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19- Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20- For I say unto you, That EXCEPT YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL EXCEED [THE RIGHTEOUSNESS] OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES, YE SHALL IN NO CASE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. <strong>Paul told regarding salvation:</strong> Romans 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that GOD HATH RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, THOU SHALT BE SAVED. Acts 13:39 - And by him ALL THAT BELIEVE ARE JUSTIFIED from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. 1 Corinthians 15:14 - And if Christ be not risen, then [is] our preaching vain, and your FAITH [IS] ALSO VAIN. Unfortunately you believe, Disciple (that also self made like Paul) speaks better than Jesus (pbuh) while we believe Disciples cannot be better than Master. I think we follow Christ more because this is what Jesus (pbuh) told. Matthew 10:24 - The disciple is not above [his] master, nor the servant above his lord. We are the follower of Jesus (pbuh) and so called Christians are the worshipper of Jesus (pbuh). That is why Jesus (pbuh) told Matthew 15:9 - But IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. And it will not be amazing that even after these warnings if they don’t understand and don’t mend their ways and can do anything, what they think good and claim it for Jesus (pbuh), will have to suffer. Jesus (pbuh) will say to them in his second coming (according to his famous Sermon on the Mount). Matthew 7:22 - Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23- AND THEN WILL I PROFESS UNTO THEM, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, ye that work iniquity. Therefore, brother read your scripture properly in unbiased way, not in the way you have been conditioned , still, you will get the God’s word in it (along with many other rubbishes). And if you want to get the pure message which does not need any filtration and editing (for the purity), read Quran. Actually basic messages are the same. Because God says in Quran 17:77 - (This was Our) Sunnah (rule or way) with the Messengers We sent before you (O Muhammad ), and you will not find any alteration in Our Sunnah (rule or way, etc.). I am sorry brother if my words did hurt you. Actually it is very difficult to get rid of prejudices. I think you have thirst for the truth and as you mentioned that you even converted to Christianity. This shows you have eagerness to know the truth. May be now you can see the truth of Islam when you are away from it, as base of a candle even though very part of the candle can’t see it’s light most of the times. May God guide you and me to The Truth. Brother Nur, I never told that you were Shia. I was expecting you to be a Jew or Christian with good approach to Orientalists (but never Muslim). Actually, Orientalists took these points (baseless) from Shias’ literatures to prove that Quran was fabricated. Your story, if it is believed to be true is really unfortunate. You think, you got the light of Christ. Truly, if you had really got the light of Christ, you would have been successful. The light which you are thinking of christ’s are actually light of Paul (better to call darkness). You can be salvated through Jesus (pbuh) but surely not through Paul. What you think salvation is actually ditch. Real salvation is what Jesus (pbuh) told not Paul. E.g.
Jesus (pbuh) told regarding salvation:
Matthew 5:17 – Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18- For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19- Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20- For I say unto you, That EXCEPT YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL EXCEED [THE RIGHTEOUSNESS] OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES, YE SHALL IN NO CASE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
Paul told regarding salvation:
Romans 10:9 – That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that GOD HATH RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, THOU SHALT BE SAVED.
Acts 13:39 – And by him ALL THAT BELIEVE ARE JUSTIFIED from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
1 Corinthians 15:14 – And if Christ be not risen, then [is] our preaching vain, and your FAITH [IS] ALSO VAIN.
Unfortunately you believe, Disciple (that also self made like Paul) speaks better than Jesus (pbuh) while we believe Disciples cannot be better than Master. I think we follow Christ more because this is what Jesus (pbuh) told.
Matthew 10:24 – The disciple is not above [his] master, nor the servant above his lord.
We are the follower of Jesus (pbuh) and so called Christians are the worshipper of Jesus (pbuh). That is why Jesus (pbuh) told
Matthew 15:9 – But IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.
And it will not be amazing that even after these warnings if they don’t understand and don’t mend their ways and can do anything, what they think good and claim it for Jesus (pbuh), will have to suffer. Jesus (pbuh) will say to them in his second coming (according to his famous Sermon on the Mount).
Matthew 7:22 – Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23- AND THEN WILL I PROFESS UNTO THEM, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, ye that work iniquity.
Therefore, brother read your scripture properly in unbiased way, not in the way you have been conditioned , still, you will get the God’s word in it (along with many other rubbishes). And if you want to get the pure message which does not need any filtration and editing (for the purity), read Quran. Actually basic messages are the same. Because God says in
Quran 17:77 – (This was Our) Sunnah (rule or way) with the Messengers We sent before you (O Muhammad ), and you will not find any alteration in Our Sunnah (rule or way, etc.).
I am sorry brother if my words did hurt you. Actually it is very difficult to get rid of prejudices. I think you have thirst for the truth and as you mentioned that you even converted to Christianity. This shows you have eagerness to know the truth. May be now you can see the truth of Islam when you are away from it, as base of a candle even though very part of the candle can’t see it’s light most of the times. May God guide you and me to The Truth.

]]> By: Nur-el-Masih Ben Haq http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/my-passion-for-jesus-christ/#comment-43033 Nur-el-Masih Ben Haq Fri, 15 May 2009 23:32:26 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/my-passion-for-jesus-christ/#comment-43033 I wished you were involved in the discussion. Can you generate another one pls? Thank you. I wished you were involved in the discussion. Can you generate another one pls? Thank you.

]]> By: Nur-el-Masih Ben Haq http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/my-passion-for-jesus-christ/#comment-43032 Nur-el-Masih Ben Haq Fri, 15 May 2009 23:21:37 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/my-passion-for-jesus-christ/#comment-43032 In response to C F E with truth, To begin with, I have never been a Shi'a. I had been a Sunni before I saw the light of Christ. So, I am not influenced by Shi'ism at all. Secondly, you appear to still not know the difference btw the Bible and the Qur'an. Pls in what specific ways do you think that the Qur'an is better than the Bible? In response to C F E with truth,
To begin with, I have never been a Shi’a. I had been a Sunni before I saw the light of Christ. So, I am not influenced by Shi’ism at all. Secondly, you appear to still not know the difference btw the Bible and the Qur’an. Pls in what specific ways do you think that the Qur’an is better than the Bible?

]]> By: C F E with truth http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/my-passion-for-jesus-christ/#comment-42128 C F E with truth Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:49:46 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/my-passion-for-jesus-christ/#comment-42128 Sorry brothers for changing my name . With my old id i.e. comforter for ever with the truth, I was not able to post. I was trying for long time. Today I got the idea of changing the name (initializing) and try posting and it clicked. All thanks to Allah. May be some technical difficulty with my id. Sorry brothers for changing my name . With my old id i.e. comforter for ever with the truth, I was not able to post. I was trying for long time. Today I got the idea of changing the name (initializing) and try posting and it clicked. All thanks to Allah. May be some technical difficulty with my id.

]]> By: C F E with truth http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/my-passion-for-jesus-christ/#comment-42127 C F E with truth Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:40:29 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/my-passion-for-jesus-christ/#comment-42127 continued.... <strong>2. Hadiths</strong>: After the “Great Fitna” Shias and the hypocrites started attributing anything and everything to prophet (pbuh). Then the need was felt to verify them and filter them. They adopted the same technique of verifying through the chain as it was done at the time of prophet (pbuh) and they set up certain criteria for the same .e.g. truthfulness of the narrator, Period of presence of narrators, mental status narrators, their lifestyle etc. they worked very hard and they collected even the biographies of the narrators. Many books of hadith were collected and six of them are together called Sihah Sittah (the six authentic ). Even though they were called authentic still they had many weak hadiths in them e.g. there are many weak traditions present in Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah etc. so why were they called the authentic six? It was a scholarly use of the term because the life history and details of all the narrators in these books are present in one compiled book to be verified at any time for their authenticity. That is why even centuries later, in the last century many hadiths from Sihah sittah were filtered by one renowned scholar of hadith Nasruddin Albani (rahamatullah alaih). Study of hadith is a big field and based on evidences and legitimate proofs, that is why called the science of Hadith. It is not the way the Bible gets it’s revision; few scholars will sit and they will scrutinize the so called manuscripts and add and delete from the supposed book of God. Even among Sihah sittah, two are even called as Sahih (authentic by name) i.e. Bukhari and Muslim. And they must be credited for their hard work. Out of millions of hadiths they collected, only few thousands were selected to be kept in their compilation (strictly based on the criteria). And weak traditions were filtered out mostly. It was a slap on the face of innovators as they could no longer fool people with their hadiths (innovated). And that is the reason why Shias don’t like Bukhari, Muslim (for Hadith compilation) and Caliph Usman (for Quranic compilation) and Aisha (for supporting Usmaan in his noble work) and since then Shias have been alleging them with many false charges by misquoting and lying. In the study of Hadith, it is the chain of narrators which is thoroughly examined and was a major concern to the scholars of hadith. Chain of narrator consisted of human beings. (we accept this fact and don’t believe blindly that everything is inspired by God unlike our Christian brothers. It does not matter to them, even what the author wrote in the Bible, they firmly believe everything is from God e.g. Luke 1:1-4, he wrote that what he heard from eyewitnesses he was writing , still our Christian brothers believe that Gospel was not heard version but revealed version ). And as these hadiths were collected 200-300yrs after the departure of Prophet and many narrators are involved, there is a chance of forgetfulness or mistake even if the narrator is authentic. We believe that these two Sahihs are authentic esp. when you see as a whole, but if you see with scholar’s eye it never means that every word of hadith are as authentic as those of The Quran. There are many instances in the sahihs which seems contradicting. So they should be examined with regard to all the aspects like the time of that hadith, situation, the person, the motive etc. And after considering all these, scholar gives verdict regarding the hadith and its inference. And to make it more clear every word of hadith can’t be said to be 100% acceptable (as it appears to a layman ) even if they are from the authentic books. One hadith in Bukhari seems to tell that the Prophet (pbuh) was contemplating suicide in the beginning of revelation, when it stopped for some time (nouzbillah). We Muslim consider it blasphemy if taken in the literal sense. No scholar & even layman accept this to be a fact even though it is written in Bukhari. Why? Because it is against the prophet’s basic teaching and he predicted hell for the person who commits suicide. There are many ways to explain this hadith and none showing this literal meaning. For details, you consult the scholar or at least the student of Islamic studies (Not the Deviants). In case, it is your next question tell me. Inshallah I’ll try to give you the fact. And to no surprise, the suicide rate In Saudi Arabia is least in the world not amazing if it is 90:1 between Israel and Saudi Arabia. No scholar of Islamic history even contemplated committing suicide esp. even if he is already having this hadith with him. Why? They know the inner truth regarding what this hadith means. And coming to your comment again, majority of the hadith on this topic are weak. Even of those which are from sahihs are only presenting the story regarding the doubts which used to prevail before the compilation of The Quran on paper and even if these hadiths are seen carefully, majority of the late narrators belong to Basra region which had strong Shia influence (even now they are the major Shia belt in the form of Iraq and Iran). So there is Shia touch in the chain of narrators of these hadiths. So, I think you would have understood these facts 1. What does it mean by Sihah in Sihah Sittah and Sahih in Sahih Bukhari and Muslim 2. How great and how scientific were these scholars of hadiths 3. Neither Aisha nor any sahaba(peace be upon them) lied. 4. The Quran is free from tampering (doesn’t matter when tried directly or by misquoting and misinterpreting hadiths). If you still have doubt you re-read the explanation. And if it still remains, then read the books on science of hadiths by Islamic scholars. And I pray Allah to guide you and me. AND ALLAH KNOWS THE BEST. continued….
2. Hadiths: After the “Great Fitna” Shias and the hypocrites started attributing anything and everything to prophet (pbuh). Then the need was felt to verify them and filter them. They adopted the same technique of verifying through the chain as it was done at the time of prophet (pbuh) and they set up certain criteria for the same .e.g. truthfulness of the narrator, Period of presence of narrators, mental status narrators, their lifestyle etc. they worked very hard and they collected even the biographies of the narrators. Many books of hadith were collected and six of them are together called Sihah Sittah (the six authentic ). Even though they were called authentic still they had many weak hadiths in them e.g. there are many weak traditions present in Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah etc. so why were they called the authentic six? It was a scholarly use of the term because the life history and details of all the narrators in these books are present in one compiled book to be verified at any time for their authenticity. That is why even centuries later, in the last century many hadiths from Sihah sittah were filtered by one renowned scholar of hadith Nasruddin Albani (rahamatullah alaih). Study of hadith is a big field and based on evidences and legitimate proofs, that is why called the science of Hadith. It is not the way the Bible gets it’s revision; few scholars will sit and they will scrutinize the so called manuscripts and add and delete from the supposed book of God. Even among Sihah sittah, two are even called as Sahih (authentic by name) i.e. Bukhari and Muslim. And they must be credited for their hard work. Out of millions of hadiths they collected, only few thousands were selected to be kept in their compilation (strictly based on the criteria). And weak traditions were filtered out mostly. It was a slap on the face of innovators as they could no longer fool people with their hadiths (innovated). And that is the reason why Shias don’t like Bukhari, Muslim (for Hadith compilation) and Caliph Usman (for Quranic compilation) and Aisha (for supporting Usmaan in his noble work) and since then Shias have been alleging them with many false charges by misquoting and lying.
In the study of Hadith, it is the chain of narrators which is thoroughly examined and was a major concern to the scholars of hadith. Chain of narrator consisted of human beings. (we accept this fact and don’t believe blindly that everything is inspired by God unlike our Christian brothers. It does not matter to them, even what the author wrote in the Bible, they firmly believe everything is from God e.g. Luke 1:1-4, he wrote that what he heard from eyewitnesses he was writing , still our Christian brothers believe that Gospel was not heard version but revealed version ). And as these hadiths were collected 200-300yrs after the departure of Prophet and many narrators are involved, there is a chance of forgetfulness or mistake even if the narrator is authentic. We believe that these two Sahihs are authentic esp. when you see as a whole, but if you see with scholar’s eye it never means that every word of hadith are as authentic as those of The Quran.
There are many instances in the sahihs which seems contradicting. So they should be examined with regard to all the aspects like the time of that hadith, situation, the person, the motive etc. And after considering all these, scholar gives verdict regarding the hadith and its inference. And to make it more clear every word of hadith can’t be said to be 100% acceptable (as it appears to a layman ) even if they are from the authentic books. One hadith in Bukhari seems to tell that the Prophet (pbuh) was contemplating suicide in the beginning of revelation, when it stopped for some time (nouzbillah). We Muslim consider it blasphemy if taken in the literal sense. No scholar & even layman accept this to be a fact even though it is written in Bukhari. Why? Because it is against the prophet’s basic teaching and he predicted hell for the person who commits suicide. There are many ways to explain this hadith and none showing this literal meaning. For details, you consult the scholar or at least the student of Islamic studies (Not the Deviants). In case, it is your next question tell me. Inshallah I’ll try to give you the fact. And to no surprise, the suicide rate In Saudi Arabia is least in the world not amazing if it is 90:1 between Israel and Saudi Arabia. No scholar of Islamic history even contemplated committing suicide esp. even if he is already having this hadith with him. Why? They know the inner truth regarding what this hadith means.
And coming to your comment again, majority of the hadith on this topic are weak. Even of those which are from sahihs are only presenting the story regarding the doubts which used to prevail before the compilation of The Quran on paper and even if these hadiths are seen carefully, majority of the late narrators belong to Basra region which had strong Shia influence (even now they are the major Shia belt in the form of Iraq and Iran). So there is Shia touch in the chain of narrators of these hadiths.

So, I think you would have understood these facts
1. What does it mean by Sihah in Sihah Sittah and Sahih in Sahih Bukhari and Muslim
2. How great and how scientific were these scholars of hadiths
3. Neither Aisha nor any sahaba(peace be upon them) lied.
4. The Quran is free from tampering (doesn’t matter when tried directly or by misquoting and misinterpreting hadiths).
If you still have doubt you re-read the explanation. And if it still remains, then read the books on science of hadiths by Islamic scholars. And I pray Allah to guide you and me. AND ALLAH KNOWS THE BEST.

]]> By: C F E with truth http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/my-passion-for-jesus-christ/#comment-42125 C F E with truth Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:36:43 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/my-passion-for-jesus-christ/#comment-42125 Brother Nur, as you have pasted the typical Shia comment on Quranic tahrif, it just reminds me of one verse of Quran (ch3 verse103), where Allah is telling us to hold the rope of Allah and be united and guided. But unfortunately, we didn’t. We have a deviant Shias, who forgot this verse when they were misguided by Jews and hypocrites (Jews were very advanced in this skill also). They TRIED to pollute the purest thing on this earth i.e. Quran. Even with their utmost effort, since then (till now) Quran and Islam well prevailed. This all started just after the departure of prophet and climaxed at the time of death of Caliph Usmaan, followed by war .i.e. “Great Fitna”. Alhamdulillah, Allah preserved his religion and shias emerged clearly as a deviant sect, whom most muslims don’t even consider muslim. But we should not paint them all with the same brush as they have many sects and many beliefs. We have no time to go into the details of that. Prophet (pbuh) left two things with us i.e. Quran & His traditions (Hadiths). 1. <strong>Quran</strong>: As it was meant for ever, it had to be preserved. And God took the responsibility (Quran 15:9) of preserving it IN THE HEART of people. And Quran has been preserved IN THIS FASHION since it’s arrival till now and there are always supporting medias like leaves, stones, papers and now digital. Prophet (pbuh)in his life time dictated it to the people and was memorized by many sahabas as well as written on leaves etc. this is amazing book as this whole book can be memorized and can be reproduced very easily by even simple layman and I would not boast that there are four persons in my family who have memorized the whole Quran. And you will not get a single person(among christian) leave the lay man, even Pope who would have memorized even the whole new testament word by word the way God did through us. Miracle in itself and amazingly, majority of them are non arabs. Not only the Prophet (pbuh) dictated but also arranged the whole Quran in the way we have now. Rightly guided Caliph just collected the dispersed manuscripts and copied them into a Mushaf (compilation) IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT THEY HAD IN THEIR HEART. What was the need for this? 2 important reasons- a. People who had memorized were dying and was feared that with their death it may be lost. b. For easy reference in case of any doubt of any kind. Specially at that time there was jew incursion and satanic influences and rumors, which were creating doubts among peoples regarding the verses, recitation, composition etc. (As you have quoted above). So Caliph Usmaan called most of the peoples who had memorized Quran along with all the manuscripts available (many were incomplete) and The Quran was compiled on paper and 7 copies were made which were sent to different governors. NOBODY PROTESTED, NEITHER ALI NOR AISHA NOR ABU DARDA NOR IBN UMAR (PEACE BE UPON ALL OF THEM) AS IT WAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROPHET’S TEACHING. This brought the end of all the doubts regarding any aspect of The Quran. And all the previous manuscripts irrespective of whether eaten by goat or mite, were either burnt or engraved. And now you are quoting the stories of what happened before this compilation. This is called as quotation out of context. And since then we have this mushaf (compiled Quran) on paper and now even on computer and internet also. But you will not find a difference of single word in any two inscribed quran of anytime since it’s compilation, till now in any part of the world (imagine 1400 yrs). Even at late, Shias tried to alter the Quran according to their taste by misquoting the same as we discussed above, but they could not be successful and they ended up only to be a distinct deviant group of innovators. continued..... Brother Nur, as you have pasted the typical Shia comment on Quranic tahrif, it just reminds me of one verse of Quran (ch3 verse103), where Allah is telling us to hold the rope of Allah and be united and guided. But unfortunately, we didn’t. We have a deviant Shias, who forgot this verse when they were misguided by Jews and hypocrites (Jews were very advanced in this skill also). They TRIED to pollute the purest thing on this earth i.e. Quran. Even with their utmost effort, since then (till now) Quran and Islam well prevailed. This all started just after the departure of prophet and climaxed at the time of death of Caliph Usmaan, followed by war .i.e. “Great Fitna”. Alhamdulillah, Allah preserved his religion and shias emerged clearly as a deviant sect, whom most muslims don’t even consider muslim. But we should not paint them all with the same brush as they have many sects and many beliefs. We have no time to go into the details of that.
Prophet (pbuh) left two things with us i.e. Quran & His traditions (Hadiths).
1. Quran: As it was meant for ever, it had to be preserved. And God took the responsibility (Quran 15:9) of preserving it IN THE HEART of people. And Quran has been preserved IN THIS FASHION since it’s arrival till now and there are always supporting medias like leaves, stones, papers and now digital. Prophet (pbuh)in his life time dictated it to the people and was memorized by many sahabas as well as written on leaves etc. this is amazing book as this whole book can be memorized and can be reproduced very easily by even simple layman and I would not boast that there are four persons in my family who have memorized the whole Quran. And you will not get a single person(among christian) leave the lay man, even Pope who would have memorized even the whole new testament word by word the way God did through us. Miracle in itself and amazingly, majority of them are non arabs. Not only the Prophet (pbuh) dictated but also arranged the whole Quran in the way we have now. Rightly guided Caliph just collected the dispersed manuscripts and copied them into a Mushaf (compilation) IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT THEY HAD IN THEIR HEART.
What was the need for this? 2 important reasons-
a. People who had memorized were dying and was feared that with their death it may be lost.
b. For easy reference in case of any doubt of any kind. Specially at that time there was jew incursion and satanic influences and rumors, which were creating doubts among peoples regarding the verses, recitation, composition etc. (As you have quoted above).
So Caliph Usmaan called most of the peoples who had memorized Quran along with all the manuscripts available (many were incomplete) and The Quran was compiled on paper and 7 copies were made which were sent to different governors. NOBODY PROTESTED, NEITHER ALI NOR AISHA NOR ABU DARDA NOR IBN UMAR (PEACE BE UPON ALL OF THEM) AS IT WAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROPHET’S TEACHING. This brought the end of all the doubts regarding any aspect of The Quran. And all the previous manuscripts irrespective of whether eaten by goat or mite, were either burnt or engraved.
And now you are quoting the stories of what happened before this compilation. This is called as quotation out of context.
And since then we have this mushaf (compiled Quran) on paper and now even on computer and internet also. But you will not find a difference of single word in any two inscribed quran of anytime since it’s compilation, till now in any part of the world (imagine 1400 yrs). Even at late, Shias tried to alter the Quran according to their taste by misquoting the same as we discussed above, but they could not be successful and they ended up only to be a distinct deviant group of innovators.
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