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	<title>Comments on: Lloyds TSB Threaten to Close Charity Account</title>
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		<title>By: Abu Abdurrahman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abu Abdurrahman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bismillah,

Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatulah

Does anyone know if/how Interpal&#039;s problem has been resolved ie what there current course of action is, etc.?

Apparently Barclays Bank has given  the well known Muslim charity, Ummah Welfare Trust, 30 days’ notice until their bank accounts are to be closed. 

Apparently they&#039;re claiming some commercial reasoning?

It seems like another case of Islamophobia within the banking sector.... another attack against the Muslim community.

Does anyone know who we can/should write to?

JazakumAllahu khairan

Wassalamu &#039;alaykum wa rahmatullah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bismillah,</p>
<p>Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatulah</p>
<p>Does anyone know if/how Interpal&#8217;s problem has been resolved ie what there current course of action is, etc.?</p>
<p>Apparently Barclays Bank has given  the well known Muslim charity, Ummah Welfare Trust, 30 days’ notice until their bank accounts are to be closed. </p>
<p>Apparently they&#8217;re claiming some commercial reasoning?</p>
<p>It seems like another case of Islamophobia within the banking sector&#8230;. another attack against the Muslim community.</p>
<p>Does anyone know who we can/should write to?</p>
<p>JazakumAllahu khairan</p>
<p>Wassalamu &#8216;alaykum wa rahmatullah</p>
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		<title>By: R Rehman</title>
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		<dc:creator>R Rehman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets not thow baby with the bath water</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets not thow baby with the bath water</p>
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		<title>By: B.Aujeemuddee</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/lloyds-tsb-threaten-to-close-charity-account/#comment-31895</link>
		<dc:creator>B.Aujeemuddee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalamwalaikoom, 
        We are really shocked to hear the news yesterday, on islam channel. As muslims we must never give up, we should put our trust in Allah and keep trying , The test is getting harder, but inshah Allah we need will be successful. If we all unite, for Allah&#039;s sake, no matter what kind of difficult, inshah Allah , there will be ease. We should unite to stop this oppression and inshah Allah  I hope Allah will make us
find a better solution, where muslims will follow the Quran and stop taking and helping those who deals with usury. Instead we should 
stop all transaction with bank dealing in usury and look for halal places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalamwalaikoom,<br />
        We are really shocked to hear the news yesterday, on islam channel. As muslims we must never give up, we should put our trust in Allah and keep trying , The test is getting harder, but inshah Allah we need will be successful. If we all unite, for Allah&#8217;s sake, no matter what kind of difficult, inshah Allah , there will be ease. We should unite to stop this oppression and inshah Allah  I hope Allah will make us<br />
find a better solution, where muslims will follow the Quran and stop taking and helping those who deals with usury. Instead we should<br />
stop all transaction with bank dealing in usury and look for halal places.</p>
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		<title>By: Zee</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/lloyds-tsb-threaten-to-close-charity-account/#comment-31816</link>
		<dc:creator>Zee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aslam-o-alikum
banks would never listen to our unless hit financially i.e. switching our accounts
this has happened in the past when NATWEST closed Interpal bank account , was any action taken that time?
what was their response that time?

Inna lillah hee wa inna elay hee rajeyoon!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aslam-o-alikum<br />
banks would never listen to our unless hit financially i.e. switching our accounts<br />
this has happened in the past when NATWEST closed Interpal bank account , was any action taken that time?<br />
what was their response that time?</p>
<p>Inna lillah hee wa inna elay hee rajeyoon!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: iMuslim</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/lloyds-tsb-threaten-to-close-charity-account/#comment-31648</link>
		<dc:creator>iMuslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wa &#039;alaykum salam wa rahmatullah

I asked my father today why IBB can&#039;t become a clearing bank. The summarised version of his answer was:

All cheques in the UK are cleared via the Bank of England. You can only clear cheques through them if they have assigned you &#039;clearing bank&#039; status, and have granted you an official sort code. Select criteria mean that most smaller banks, like IBB, would not be eligible for clearing bank status, forcing them to go via the long-established, big banks, like Lloyds TSB, Natwest, etc, to access the BoE&#039;s cheque clearing facility.

I imagine a month (now less than that) might not be enough time for IBB to change clearing banks, and even if they did, there is no guarantee that the new institution would not do the same thing (unless this was agreed beforehand, perhaps?). I do suspect IBB&#039;s hands are tied in this respect, which means we have to concentrate on Lloyds TSB, and see if there is anything we can do in the legal department, insha&#039;Allah.

I have no particular ideas though... I pray that someone else does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wa &#8216;alaykum salam wa rahmatullah</p>
<p>I asked my father today why IBB can&#8217;t become a clearing bank. The summarised version of his answer was:</p>
<p>All cheques in the UK are cleared via the Bank of England. You can only clear cheques through them if they have assigned you &#8216;clearing bank&#8217; status, and have granted you an official sort code. Select criteria mean that most smaller banks, like IBB, would not be eligible for clearing bank status, forcing them to go via the long-established, big banks, like Lloyds TSB, Natwest, etc, to access the BoE&#8217;s cheque clearing facility.</p>
<p>I imagine a month (now less than that) might not be enough time for IBB to change clearing banks, and even if they did, there is no guarantee that the new institution would not do the same thing (unless this was agreed beforehand, perhaps?). I do suspect IBB&#8217;s hands are tied in this respect, which means we have to concentrate on Lloyds TSB, and see if there is anything we can do in the legal department, insha&#8217;Allah.</p>
<p>I have no particular ideas though&#8230; I pray that someone else does.</p>
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		<title>By: Aanika</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/lloyds-tsb-threaten-to-close-charity-account/#comment-31631</link>
		<dc:creator>Aanika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I urge all British muslims to write to Lloyds TSB, don&#039;t underestimate the power of popular pressure.

If you want to hit them hard, contact the cheif executive

Eric Daniels
Cheif Executive Lloyds TSB Bank plc
25 Gresham Street
London
EC2V 7HN

Ask him to reverse the decision and if they don&#039;t listen then move your account and tell everyone else to do the same.

We are NOT going to let them get away with this insha&#039;Allah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I urge all British muslims to write to Lloyds TSB, don&#8217;t underestimate the power of popular pressure.</p>
<p>If you want to hit them hard, contact the cheif executive</p>
<p>Eric Daniels<br />
Cheif Executive Lloyds TSB Bank plc<br />
25 Gresham Street<br />
London<br />
EC2V 7HN</p>
<p>Ask him to reverse the decision and if they don&#8217;t listen then move your account and tell everyone else to do the same.</p>
<p>We are NOT going to let them get away with this insha&#8217;Allah.</p>
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		<title>By: Yusuf Smith</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/lloyds-tsb-threaten-to-close-charity-account/#comment-31625</link>
		<dc:creator>Yusuf Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As-Salaamu &#039;alaikum,

Today I attended a meeting in London with the new ENGAGE group (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iengage.org.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) and we discussed the LTSB/IBB/Interpal situation.  Basically, LTSB is one of a small number of &quot;clearing banks&quot;, and they have the right to unilaterally refuse to clear any transaction.  They are the banking equivalent of an internet backbone: much as an internet backbone can refuse packets (bits of data) from any source for any reason (often because of spamming), a clearing bank can refuse to clear a transaction for any reason.  One of the ENGAGE guys told us that LTSB were doing this because of international pressure, i.e. American pressure, because Interpal are still legal in the UK, and the Bank of England could have put a stop to any charity if there was grounds to suspect them of supporting terrorism, but there is none.  Interpal has been investigated twice in the UK, and cleared both times, as is widely known.

I am still at a loss to what I might do in response.  I do not know if I could take my business elsewhere, because my capital levels are so small, and I started my Lloyds account as a student as part of their student account deal.  At the time, I did not want to go to Barclays because of an incident in which a couple borrowed large amounts of money from them under one manager, which a new manager decided to recall immediately, which led to ruinous legal action for that couple.  At the end of the day, usurers are usurers.  They are all scumbags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As-Salaamu &#8216;alaikum,</p>
<p>Today I attended a meeting in London with the new ENGAGE group (see <a href="http://www.iengage.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">here</a>) and we discussed the LTSB/IBB/Interpal situation.  Basically, LTSB is one of a small number of &#8220;clearing banks&#8221;, and they have the right to unilaterally refuse to clear any transaction.  They are the banking equivalent of an internet backbone: much as an internet backbone can refuse packets (bits of data) from any source for any reason (often because of spamming), a clearing bank can refuse to clear a transaction for any reason.  One of the ENGAGE guys told us that LTSB were doing this because of international pressure, i.e. American pressure, because Interpal are still legal in the UK, and the Bank of England could have put a stop to any charity if there was grounds to suspect them of supporting terrorism, but there is none.  Interpal has been investigated twice in the UK, and cleared both times, as is widely known.</p>
<p>I am still at a loss to what I might do in response.  I do not know if I could take my business elsewhere, because my capital levels are so small, and I started my Lloyds account as a student as part of their student account deal.  At the time, I did not want to go to Barclays because of an incident in which a couple borrowed large amounts of money from them under one manager, which a new manager decided to recall immediately, which led to ruinous legal action for that couple.  At the end of the day, usurers are usurers.  They are all scumbags.</p>
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		<title>By: H</title>
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		<dc:creator>H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Aadam alluded to that the power lies with IBB. If they want to put pressure on Lloyds and move their business from there then Lloyds would think twice. It does seem quite strange that IBB could be held to ransom like this. As far as IBB&#039;s products being Islamic then thats another story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Aadam alluded to that the power lies with IBB. If they want to put pressure on Lloyds and move their business from there then Lloyds would think twice. It does seem quite strange that IBB could be held to ransom like this. As far as IBB&#8217;s products being Islamic then thats another story.</p>
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		<title>By: Organica</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/11/15/lloyds-tsb-threaten-to-close-charity-account/#comment-31611</link>
		<dc:creator>Organica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ina lilah we ina ilyhe rajooon.

Hasbona Allah we na3ma il Wakeel!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ina lilah we ina ilyhe rajooon.</p>
<p>Hasbona Allah we na3ma il Wakeel!</p>
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		<title>By: Aadam Harwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aadam Harwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is basically a case of &quot;Islamic&quot; Bank of Britain not bothering to support Interpal. After all, IBB is a customer of Lloyds TSB, so IBB is PAYING them to use their clearing services. And so IBB could easily say &quot;You can&#039;t bully us. We&#039;re just going to use another bank to do our clearing and pay the fees to someone else!&quot;

Lloyds TSB would quickly change their tune if IBB showed any courage in support of their Muslim brothers and sisters in Palestine, instead of threatening their Muslim brothers and acting as the lapdog of the Kafir bankers in such a cowardly way. It&#039;s very clear that IBB probably have an ulterior motive for going along with Lloyds TSB&#039;s request. They probably think Interpal is too much trouble for them. Or they are not making enough money out of Interpal. (That&#039;s right - not making any money from the humanitarian charity that&#039;s helping NEEDY Palestinians!!!)

So while you&#039;re complaining to Lloyds TSB about this (and you should be!) make sure you also complain to the &quot;Islamic&quot; Bank of Britian, and tell them that if they are not prepared to support their own Muslim brothers and sisters in Palestine then we do not consider them to be &quot;sharia compliant&quot; and we will be closing our accounts and telling every other Muslim we know to do the same thing. If you want the Ummah to support you then you need to show support to the Ummah in it&#039;s times of need. If you turn your back on the Ummah (which is what IBB is doing) then the Ummah will turn its back on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is basically a case of &#8220;Islamic&#8221; Bank of Britain not bothering to support Interpal. After all, IBB is a customer of Lloyds TSB, so IBB is PAYING them to use their clearing services. And so IBB could easily say &#8220;You can&#8217;t bully us. We&#8217;re just going to use another bank to do our clearing and pay the fees to someone else!&#8221;</p>
<p>Lloyds TSB would quickly change their tune if IBB showed any courage in support of their Muslim brothers and sisters in Palestine, instead of threatening their Muslim brothers and acting as the lapdog of the Kafir bankers in such a cowardly way. It&#8217;s very clear that IBB probably have an ulterior motive for going along with Lloyds TSB&#8217;s request. They probably think Interpal is too much trouble for them. Or they are not making enough money out of Interpal. (That&#8217;s right &#8211; not making any money from the humanitarian charity that&#8217;s helping NEEDY Palestinians!!!)</p>
<p>So while you&#8217;re complaining to Lloyds TSB about this (and you should be!) make sure you also complain to the &#8220;Islamic&#8221; Bank of Britian, and tell them that if they are not prepared to support their own Muslim brothers and sisters in Palestine then we do not consider them to be &#8220;sharia compliant&#8221; and we will be closing our accounts and telling every other Muslim we know to do the same thing. If you want the Ummah to support you then you need to show support to the Ummah in it&#8217;s times of need. If you turn your back on the Ummah (which is what IBB is doing) then the Ummah will turn its back on you.</p>
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