Comments on: Update#2: MM’s 2008 Presidential Elections Post-Mortem: Yes We Can, Insha’Allah

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By: OsmanK

OsmanK — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 04:13:26 +0000

Shaykh Anwar Awlaki is a great student of knowledge who has helped the Ummah with great works, including his set on the seerah. He posted his opinion on his blog of why voting is haraam. He posted his reasoning and his references for such a position. I see nothing wrong with what he has done. I find no problem if someone follows his opinion.

However, know that hundreds of scholars (and I mean scholars of classical islam, not any “progressives”) have permitted voting. In fact, scholars from almost all the schools of thought have permitted voting. Therefore, I think it is rude and unacceptable to throw words like shirk, kufr, etc. In fact, I would say that scholars with much greater knowledge then Shaykh Awlaki have permitted voting.

Most of the scholars have provided their proofs, in fact, I’m assuming that the great shaykhs on this site permit voting otherwise they would have stated otherwise. Like many issues in Islam, it is not black and white so one should remain respectful of other points of view.

Shaykh Awlaki is a great teacher whom we can all learn from, however like Shaykh Yasir Qadhi said, listen to their opinions, do your research about what other scholars say, and then decide. There is no reason for this bickering which is dividing the ummah in a time when unity is much needed.

By: Amad

Amad — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:51:18 +0000

salam Abdallah:
1) Your comment that was a complete copy and paste of Imam Anwar’s post without citation (against nettiquettes) was removed.
2) We are all very well aware of his posts and links were already provided before, and so any repeated references are redundant.
3) The Shayookh are choosing not to respond to the posts by Awlaki. At least not at this time.
4) From my own personal view and the view of many others that I know, there is no need to respond to such a post that does not maintain basic respect for other Muslims, and resorts to name-calling and offensive slurs, like “house negroes”. We did not expect such from a person of knowledge.
5) For those who have some knowledge of the situations, it is clear what side Imam Anwar is coming down on. He quotes the hizb-tahreer, “jihadi-salafis” (whatever that means) among others, as “authorities” on the Muslim situation, which is sufficient for people to make their own judgment.
6) For those who want to adhere to such views, then by all means, feel free to comment on THAT site, not here.

I don’t want to argue any further on this issue (and I think that the other staffers don’t want to either), because I know that this is what people want from MM, to engage in this foolish online spat. Our Shayookh will deal with issues as time permits, and according to the correct priority. Muslims living here, who call the West their home, have far more urgent issues to deal with (such as raising children, fighting islamophobia, uniting communiities, etc.) than to worry about what one student of knowledge is making an extreme issue out.

So, I apologize in advance for being too aggressive on moderation regarding this issue.

wasalam

P.S. Someone pointed to Jinnzaman’s one post, but missed to post this link to a very appropriate post that does an excellent case against the Awlaki posts.

By: aboo

aboo — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:18:42 +0000

Jinnzaman on the Election of Obama:
http://jinnzaman.hadithuna.com/on-historic-change/

By: mulsimah

mulsimah — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:13:33 +0000

For gosh sakes.. talk about obsessed. you know seriously Brother Amad and other mm staff I think american muslims will easily run away from islam after seeing so much obsession and craze. we voted because we felt it was the right thing. nobody has the right to question our feelings or intentions. we are trying to do the right thing and all we are getting from the muslims is that your doing ‘bad’ u know ther are so many islamaphobics but recently Ive seen a rise on americphobics from the muslims and its scary. so much hate. is it not scARY? SHEIKH? iM SURE both sheiks here and Imam suhaib webb are seeing it after putting this forum up.
If they do use religion to prove to hate and noti be involved and to keep away well then that religion is scary to me
why doesnt it get into ur peoples head that if we did not vote mcain might have won!!!!!! so we are more relieved. by using our brain we decided that we think more muslims will be killed and tortured by mcain presidency.
we thought we did this to prevent more harm for the muslims!!!!!!!! and u all are still obsessed when all we have is good intentions???? we are just trying to do good for the ummah instead of just complaining all the time. let me tell u brother and u sister that you sitting their complaining doing nothing is not gonna help the ummah
so get involved. if you have a problem or not liking something talk to obama in a respectful manner. share your thoughts. whether you like or not he is your president. change.gov

By: Abu Abdullah

Abu Abdullah — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:46:56 +0000

For those writers who voted Obama – I assume it was on the basis it was the lesser of two evils

And yet the general joy/ hope sensed from the various posts up does not seem to indicate that, rather that it was quite a willing move to do so
(after all – who can feel joy at a “lesser evil”, surely it should be “less stress” or some such emotion)

I think this general joy & hope & also what appears to many on the outside looking in as naivate is the most dissappointing aspect of all this

You do not look like a group of people who have, under duress, opted for the lesser evil and managed to attain it, and Allah knows best

Did not the Prophet – peace and blessings be upon him – mention that the believer does not get bitten from the same hole twice?

wasalam

comment: no, this is not “abu abdAllah’s” alter ego…

By: abdallah

abdallah — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:56:21 +0000

Yes, and and as I stated on the post, this was not written by be. Its just a new dimension to add into the already slightly-diverse thread.

By: Umm Muslim

Umm Muslim — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:36:49 +0000

Wasn’t this post written by shaykh anwar al awlaqi , Abdullah?