“wow, u really think the scholars/organizers/participants do not believe they are acting according the the quran and sunnah?”

Yes, I know many shayyokhs attend the event but its not necessarily that the same shayyokhs agree with what goes on in the event. They only attend bcoz they can benefit the people and their presence at the GUP carries more weight than the lesser evil of music, free-mixing etc.

As far as I know, after contacting the organisors many times, no scholar is part of what goes behind the scene. They have never given a justifiable reason or mentioned anything about a scholars’ opinion backing up what they’re doing.

Also akhee I think you me be a little confused as to what ijma actually is, ands its authoritative status in the deen of Islam.

Shaikh Tawfique has an excellent course MashaAllah called ‘ The Chronicles of the Shariah.’ I would highly recommend all my fellow brothers and sisters to attend it, as it hugely beneficial Allhamdulillah. It covers issues such as, Taqleed, Madhabs, as well as the issue of ijma in great detail.

I am just sharing a viewpoint. Obviously it disagrees with the article posted by Sh. Haitham Al-Haddad. My only defense is that Sh. Haitham is not any more authoritative than any of the other scholars that i have linked earlier and their opnions. And arent all those scholars and sources i provided ( there are many others) part of the ijma?

At this forum, I am not taking a stance either way (of either opinion) . I just wanted to present that other differing opinion.

Its unusual how we have so many Muslims today who you see following their desires and following weak opinions, when the stronger evidence is – c l e a r l y – against their da’eef views.

This is the kind of rhetoric that i believe is unnecessary. Who are you- or we- or any one else here to say that the scholars who take a differing opinion are following their desires or weak opinions. They have their reasons for their opinions and they should be respected for it. That is all I am saying.

Is it not far more unusual how we have so many Muslims today who do not pray, do not fast, drink alcohol, have premarital relations, etc. let alone even feel comfortable at Muslim gatherings, masjids, etc. These Muslims are only following their nafs and desires. My only point by this is that instead of condemning Islamic events for having music or non-bearded speakers , (I am not defending music, or that men are allowed to shave), that we as a community need to be more inclusive of our brethren – and look for ways to unite more Muslims – rather than look for ways to divide us . Then individually, these positive changes (beards, stay away from music, [if u truly believe that] etc.) will come from within from one’s own stronger Iman and conviction to following the shariah.

As far as the source of the principle I shared earlier. I actually took those from my notes at a recent event I attended (by a reputable scholar) – and unfortunately i did not jot down the source. If i come across it I will share it iA. I sincerely apologize for the lack of source.

And of course – Allah (swt) knows best.

Akh you also didn’t present any evidence for this strange principle you mentioned, that you are not allowed to publicly object to any opinion which does not have consensus of the scholars. Rather you instead just merely listed more conditions. I asked you akh:

1. Which scholars have preceded you on this principle?
2. Which scholars hold the opinion that such a principle is allowed in Islam?

Also akh, what is the evidence that justifies this strange principle you mentioned? Maybe akh, an this is just naseeah to you as your brother, you should actually go an sit with ulamah.

Its unusual how we have so many Muslims today who you see following their desires and following weak opinions, when the stronger evidence is – c l e a r l y – against their da’eef views.

Allah knows best.

However, I believe quite firmly that it is not a legitimate difference of opinion. MuslimMatters has posted a piece by Sh. Haitham Al-Haddad stating why this difference is not legitimate and why IT SHOULD BE publicly condemned. See this post:

A Simple Matter of Disagreement?

In response to the following:

Actually akhee, I heard Shaikh Tawfique mention that music is haraam by ijma (consensus). An any scholar who has said that music is allowed in Islam has actually gone against the ijma of the Sahabah, Tabi’een and the Atba-Tabi’een.

Secondly akh, the principle you mentioned that you are not allowed to publicly object to any opinion which does not have the consensus of the scholars. I would just like to know akh, who has proceeded you on this? Which scholars hold this opinion? Im genuinely asking akhee as this is the first time in my life I have heard this opinion. An according to my knowledge, such an opinion has no basis in the deen.

and

As for music, I think any lay-person, who is not a dhahiri (does not follow the dhahiri madhhab), who thinks it is a legitimate fiqhi difference is either ignorant about what constitutes a legitimate difference of opinion, or simply fooling themselves.

There is one thing disagreeing with holding the opinion of music being haraam – but there is another when adding that those who disagree with this opinion are fooling themselves or ignorant. Is that really necessary??

Here are some opinions allowing music (and instruments):

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544202

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545728

there are also scholars such as shaykh abdallah adhami, yusuf qardawi, and others who have publicly said music is allowed. And other scholars like Imam Siraj Wahaj and Dr. Ingrid Mattson who have appeared on popular Muslim CD’s of that of Outlandish and Native Deen, for example. They obviously wouldnt have appeared on the CDs if they thought the music was haraam.

also i would like to recommend the following article:

http://www.hahmed.com/docs/music_question_faith.pdf

again – im not saying that this opinion of music is more valid than the opinion that says music is haraam. Im just stating that a difference of opinion does exist among scholars! . I do not want this to turn into a debate regarding this issue.

and as far as the principle i mentioned earlier, the complete terms are as follows:

COnditions to publicly object to something
1. You have to know that what you are objecting is haraam by consensus of all scholars
2. You have to know that objecting to the thing is not going to bring about a greater harm
3. You have to believe that there is benefit in you objecting to it

And Allah knows best.

However, and this is my own personal opinion, that the average Muslims should not attend the likes of these events or support them financially.

Average muslims are not going to this event bro. They are going to rock concerts, clubs, bars, etc. These kinds of events are FAAAR from their minds.