Comments on: The Short Tale of a Bosnian http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/ Discourses in the Intellectual Traditions, Political Situation, and Social Ethics of Muslim Life Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:17:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ASKARI http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/#comment-66214 ASKARI Sun, 02 May 2010 15:44:37 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/#comment-66214 Allah Humma al an Quam azzalameen Allah Humma al an Quam azzalameen

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]]> By: ilmsummitee http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/#comment-33529 ilmsummitee Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:12:11 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/#comment-33529 I just came upon this story, but JazakAllahu khairan brother for the story, SubhanAllah it really touches upon the personal element. I remember growing up about both the Kosova and Bosnia conflicts and killings. May Allah restore their lands and all the Muslim lands with peace, justice---and bring in rain to the desolate misery out of which will spring hope and strength and blossom into victory. Ameen. Keep the ummah in your duaas, always brothers and sisters, let us not forget them......... Wasalams. I just came upon this story, but JazakAllahu khairan brother for the story, SubhanAllah it really touches upon the personal element.

I remember growing up about both the Kosova and Bosnia conflicts and killings. May Allah restore their lands and all the Muslim lands with peace, justice—and bring in rain to the desolate misery out of which will spring hope and strength and blossom into victory. Ameen.

Keep the ummah in your duaas, always brothers and sisters, let us not forget them………

Wasalams.

]]> By: Amina http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/#comment-24555 Amina Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:30:15 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/#comment-24555 Assalamu alaikum I come also from the city that is occupied by Serbians. Alhamdulillah I am blessed that I am still alive and that Allah guided me to learn Islam and practice it. Even in Bosnia majority of people are still not practicing religion but we have more and more our youth studying Islam correct way so they can inshAllah teach other. May Allah unity our ummah and make us better Muslims. Ameen Assalamu alaikum Assalamu alaikum

I come also from the city that is occupied by Serbians.
Alhamdulillah I am blessed that I am still alive and that Allah guided me to learn Islam and practice it. Even in Bosnia majority of people are still not practicing religion but we have more and more our youth studying Islam correct way so they can inshAllah teach other.
May Allah unity our ummah and make us better Muslims. Ameen

Assalamu alaikum

]]> By: Olivia http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/#comment-24213 Olivia Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:47:18 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/#comment-24213 I went to a highschool in Indiana and there was a group of highly nationalistic serbs who went there too and they were NUTS. they had all this serbian propaganda all over their backpacks scrawled in whiteout and would draw serbian tattoos on themselves with pen. everybody thought they were whacky and made fun of them but it didnt phase them at all. shows you how evil nationalism is. im so glad theres a day of judgment where all those evil people will get their come-uppance. <em>EDIT: Sorry k, can't let that last one through ;) luv, b (aka Siraaj)</em> I went to a highschool in Indiana and there was a group of highly nationalistic serbs who went there too and they were NUTS. they had all this serbian propaganda all over their backpacks scrawled in whiteout and would draw serbian tattoos on themselves with pen. everybody thought they were whacky and made fun of them but it didnt phase them at all. shows you how evil nationalism is.

im so glad theres a day of judgment where all those evil people will get their come-uppance.

EDIT: Sorry k, can’t let that last one through ;)

luv,
b (aka Siraaj)

]]> By: bosanka http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/#comment-24127 bosanka Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:17:40 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/#comment-24127 Things are pretty clear here, Serbs (99,9 %) are very saddened by Karadzic being imprisoned, they consider him as their hero and not afraid to show that. In past few days there have been several "gatherings" in Republic of Srpska, where men, women and children went out in the street, showing how much they love him, shouting that allowing his arrest is shame for Serbian people and carrying billboards that saying : We are all Karadzic. Police is very active in that part of Bosnia, as treats to Serbian prime minister and others came from there. Imagine how does it feel to actually LIVE here. Surrounded by those same people who were killing us for all those years. And Hamdi, I understand you pointing to our people being affected by communism, this is very true, but Islam has come to a better days here during and after the war. At least thats the case with youth. Me, I didn't know anything about Islam b4 war. This is mostly due to the fear of my parents, as we lived in city with Serbs as majority. But alhamdulillah, a lot has been changed and I see many many people living Islam and feeling proud because of it. May Allah's help be with Muslims, fe koll makan. Things are pretty clear here, Serbs (99,9 %) are very saddened by Karadzic being imprisoned, they consider him as their hero and not afraid to show that. In past few days there have been several “gatherings” in Republic of Srpska, where men, women and children went out in the street, showing how much they love him, shouting that allowing his arrest is shame for Serbian people and carrying billboards that saying : We are all Karadzic. Police is very active in that part of Bosnia, as treats to Serbian prime minister and others came from there.

Imagine how does it feel to actually LIVE here. Surrounded by those same people who were killing us for all those years. And Hamdi, I understand you pointing to our people being affected by communism, this is very true, but Islam has come to a better days here during and after the war. At least thats the case with youth. Me, I didn’t know anything about Islam b4 war. This is mostly due to the fear of my parents, as we lived in city with Serbs as majority. But alhamdulillah, a lot has been changed and I see many many people living Islam and feeling proud because of it.

May Allah’s help be with Muslims, fe koll makan.

]]> By: jawwadsti http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/#comment-23977 jawwadsti Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:01:58 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/#comment-23977 This article makes me so sad :( This article makes me so sad :(

]]> By: patb http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/#comment-23960 patb Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:46:06 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/#comment-23960 Samaha, Thank you for your viewpoint and yes, Milan was an American Serb. I only find this interesting (the SS thing) from the viewpoint of the Mufti of Jerusalem and his personal contacts with Hitler. A very unusual alliance. This begs the larger question of multi culturalism and societal health in a nation state. It seems that a happy medium in society requires just that, a medium or meeting point. When ethnic cultures develop, or maintain, different languages, modes of dress, etc. and different visions based upon disparete cultures they tend to clash at different levels. In your experience that multiculturalism 'experiment' did not work unless there was an overarching ruthless regime to enforce peace. Celebrating a link to a culture left behind (as has traditionally been the case in the US) and importing a culture to stand alone within the established culture will, I believe, cause issues. Maybe these enclaves will eventually disperse, I hope so. A certain commonality must exist for the common good. I'm not speaking about religion. Samaha,
Thank you for your viewpoint and yes, Milan was an American Serb.
I only find this interesting (the SS thing) from the viewpoint of the Mufti of Jerusalem and his personal contacts with Hitler. A very unusual alliance.
This begs the larger question of multi culturalism and societal health in a nation state. It seems that a happy medium in society requires just that, a medium or meeting point. When ethnic cultures develop, or maintain, different languages, modes of dress, etc. and different visions based upon disparete cultures they tend to clash at different levels.
In your experience that multiculturalism ‘experiment’ did not work unless there was an overarching ruthless regime to enforce peace.
Celebrating a link to a culture left behind (as has traditionally been the case in the US) and importing a culture to stand alone within the established culture will, I believe, cause issues.
Maybe these enclaves will eventually disperse, I hope so. A certain commonality must exist for the common good.
I’m not speaking about religion.

]]> By: Owen http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/#comment-23957 Owen Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:18:09 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/#comment-23957 Churchill chose to work with Tito despite ideological differences because Tito was the only Yugoslav leader he believed had the determination to defeat the Germans in Yugoslavia. The Major govt basically supported the Serbs because Milosevic was seen as likely to achieve a stable final outcome reasonably quickly. There was quite a lot of accompanying propaganda exploiting the WWII relationship but basically John Major and Douglas Hurd seem to have wanted the whole untidy business sorted out with minimum fuss. I can very rarely bring myself to say anything positive about Margaret Thatcher but she was on the ball over Bosnia. In her New York Times article in August 1992 - http://www.margaretthatcher.org/speeches/displaydocument.asp?docid=108299 - she spoke her mind pretty unambiguously. She called for NATO intervention to stop the Serb/Serbian assault on Goražde and Sarajevo, in order to end ethnic cleansing and to preserve the legitmate Bosnian state of Alija Izetbegovic. She referred to "the Serbian 'ethnic cleansing' policy—a term for the expulsion of the non Serb population that combines the barbarities of Hitler's and Stalin's policies toward other nations". She described the the conflict as a "killing field the like of which I thought we would never see in Europe again." For some reason Serb sources always seem to have a lot of information to offer about the Bosnian Muslims who collaborated with the Nazis and very little about the Serb collaborators. Samaha, I find it extraordinary anyone can pay attention for long to Trifkovic's pedantic pseudo-academic milking of the limitless history of Serb victimhood. He certainly helped me work out early on which side was more likely to be telling the truth. Churchill chose to work with Tito despite ideological differences because Tito was the only Yugoslav leader he believed had the determination to defeat the Germans in Yugoslavia. The Major govt basically supported the Serbs because Milosevic was seen as likely to achieve a stable final outcome reasonably quickly. There was quite a lot of accompanying propaganda exploiting the WWII relationship but basically John Major and Douglas Hurd seem to have wanted the whole untidy business sorted out with minimum fuss.

I can very rarely bring myself to say anything positive about Margaret Thatcher but she was on the ball over Bosnia. In her New York Times article in August 1992 – http://www.margaretthatcher.org/speeches/displaydocument.asp?docid=108299 – she spoke her mind pretty unambiguously. She called for NATO intervention to stop the Serb/Serbian assault on Goražde and Sarajevo, in order to end ethnic cleansing and to preserve the legitmate Bosnian state of Alija Izetbegovic. She referred to “the Serbian ‘ethnic cleansing’ policy—a term for the expulsion of the non Serb population that combines the barbarities of Hitler’s and Stalin’s policies toward other nations”. She described the the conflict as a “killing field the like of which I thought we would never see in Europe again.”

For some reason Serb sources always seem to have a lot of information to offer about the Bosnian Muslims who collaborated with the Nazis and very little about the Serb collaborators. Samaha, I find it extraordinary anyone can pay attention for long to Trifkovic’s pedantic pseudo-academic milking of the limitless history of Serb victimhood. He certainly helped me work out early on which side was more likely to be telling the truth.

]]> By: bint Ashfaq http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/#comment-23955 bint Ashfaq Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:05:20 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/31/the-short-tale-of-a-bosnian/#comment-23955 Subhan'Allah i actually sat down to read this, at times it's all too much and i'll skim read it. Subhan'Allah this is one story that made me stop and cry instantly and that doesn't happen alot. I remeber watching a few clips on Islam Channel news long ago, it was bad at times humans can be the most evil of creatures. How evil, may Allah protect us and save us from such animals. ameen. Jazak Allahu khayr for posting this br Amad, very well written and all those who have given us a greater insight into Bosnia. Subhan’Allah i actually sat down to read this, at times it’s all too much and i’ll skim read it. Subhan’Allah this is one story that made me stop and cry instantly and that doesn’t happen alot. I remeber watching a few clips on Islam Channel news long ago, it was bad at times humans can be the most evil of creatures. How evil, may Allah protect us and save us from such animals. ameen.

Jazak Allahu khayr for posting this br Amad, very well written and all those who have given us a greater insight into Bosnia.

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