Comments on: Clipped Wings: Musings on Faith & Philosophy http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/ Discourses in the Intellectual Traditions, Political Situation, and Social Ethics of Muslim Life Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Hannah http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-80667 Hannah Tue, 16 Nov 2010 02:43:00 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-80667 Very sad to see this young man reject the atoning grace provided by Yeshua the Messiah, in favor of a life full of hate for his fellow Americans. He should check out an evangelical prison ministry to listen to the truth. Very sad to see this young man reject the atoning grace provided by Yeshua the Messiah, in favor of a life full of hate for his fellow Americans. He should check out an evangelical prison ministry to listen to the truth.

]]> By: Fard http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-65257 Fard Tue, 20 Apr 2010 20:48:46 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-65257 A subject matter jurisdictional question is not waived by a guilty plea. A subject matter jurisdictional question is not waived by a guilty plea.

]]> By: Amad http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-34048 Amad Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:51:17 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-34048 I am glad to see that you think that the percentage is small, though I would not even call it small, more like speck... probably as many as there are non-Muslims in this country who would be glad to nuke Mecca or even turn on their own country for a foreign entity's interest, like for instance Israel maybe? Yes, there are extremists in all sides. And DOJ is not always unfair, but we saw in the last administration when politics entered the justice department (unless you missed the entire reason why our friend Alberto quit), there were far too many over-enthusiastic US attorneys, and far too many over-enthusiastic agents, and a far likely chance for a highly biased jury of peers (no fault of theirs, its just the islamophobic climate) that we did have the miscarriage of justice time after time. I think anyone who feels that there isn't a big shadow of doubt hanging over every political and "war-against-terror" arrest under the Bush administration, is living in denial. I am glad to see that you think that the percentage is small, though I would not even call it small, more like speck… probably as many as there are non-Muslims in this country who would be glad to nuke Mecca or even turn on their own country for a foreign entity’s interest, like for instance Israel maybe? Yes, there are extremists in all sides.

And DOJ is not always unfair, but we saw in the last administration when politics entered the justice department (unless you missed the entire reason why our friend Alberto quit), there were far too many over-enthusiastic US attorneys, and far too many over-enthusiastic agents, and a far likely chance for a highly biased jury of peers (no fault of theirs, its just the islamophobic climate) that we did have the miscarriage of justice time after time. I think anyone who feels that there isn’t a big shadow of doubt hanging over every political and “war-against-terror” arrest under the Bush administration, is living in denial.

]]> By: Hester http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-34045 Hester Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:46:11 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-34045 “Hester” and others who are so eager to point out the DOJ charges, well, I think you missed the boat. If we truly believed that DOJ acted out in fairness and justice, we would be having a different conversation. Yes sir, that is always the official line, isn't it? Nobody is guilty, the DOJ is always unfair, and Muslims are always being persecuted, and those who do plead guilty are doing so out of concern for their families' ordeal, right? Luckily for our country, there are millions of Muslims who do not belong to the Muslim Brotherhood backed or Saudi funded organizations, who do not buy into the victimhood you so carefully foster, and who quite clearly KNOW there is a small percentage of Muslims in America who do sympathize with and support aiding and abetting the enemy. “Hester” and others who are so eager to point out the DOJ charges, well, I think you missed the boat. If we truly believed that DOJ acted out in fairness and justice, we would be having a different conversation.

Yes sir, that is always the official line, isn’t it? Nobody is guilty, the DOJ is always unfair, and Muslims are always being persecuted, and those who do plead guilty are doing so out of concern for their families’ ordeal, right? Luckily for our country, there are millions of Muslims who do not belong to the Muslim Brotherhood backed or Saudi funded organizations, who do not buy into the victimhood you so carefully foster, and who quite clearly KNOW there is a small percentage of Muslims in America who do sympathize with and support aiding and abetting the enemy.

]]> By: Amad http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-34011 Amad Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:02:01 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-34011 "Hester" and others who are so eager to point out the DOJ charges, well, I think you missed the boat. If we truly believed that DOJ acted out in fairness and justice, we would be having a different conversation. All I can say at this point that when you are facing a choice between life in prison by fighting against the charges, and pleading not-guilty (as happened to one of Randall's friend) or get "only" 20 years by pleading guilty, then you look at your wife and children and make a choice that I hope many of us never have to make. When all it takes these days to convict a Muslim or a Muslim organization (consider the Holy Land Foundation case) is to flash a photo of Bin Laden for the jury, or to have an anonymous agent of a foreign state make accusations that you cannot argue with, or have some "secret evidence" that you can't fight, then 20 years may be a better bet. “Hester” and others who are so eager to point out the DOJ charges, well, I think you missed the boat. If we truly believed that DOJ acted out in fairness and justice, we would be having a different conversation.

All I can say at this point that when you are facing a choice between life in prison by fighting against the charges, and pleading not-guilty (as happened to one of Randall’s friend) or get “only” 20 years by pleading guilty, then you look at your wife and children and make a choice that I hope many of us never have to make.

When all it takes these days to convict a Muslim or a Muslim organization (consider the Holy Land Foundation case) is to flash a photo of Bin Laden for the jury, or to have an anonymous agent of a foreign state make accusations that you cannot argue with, or have some “secret evidence” that you can’t fight, then 20 years may be a better bet.

]]> By: Hester http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-34008 Hester Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:31:20 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-34008 "Royer, 31, pled guilty in January 2004 to a two-count criminal information charging him with aiding and abetting the use and discharge of a firearm during and in relation to a crime of violence, and with aiding and abetting the carrying of an explosive during the commission of a felony. In his plea agreement, Royer admitted to aiding and abetting co-defendants Masoud Khan, Yong Ki Kwon, Muhammed Aatique and Khwaja Mahmoud Hasan in gaining entry to a terrorist training camp in Pakistan operated by Lashkar-e-Taiba, where they trained in the use of various weapons. Royer also admitted to helping co-defendant Ibrahim Ahmed Al-Hamdi gain entry to the Lashkar-e-Taiba camp, where Al-Hamdi received training in the use of a rocket-propelled grenade in furtherance of a conspiracy to conduct military operations against India." http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2004/April/04_crm_225.htm Your "brother" conspired to aid and abet the enemy. “Royer, 31, pled guilty in January 2004 to a two-count criminal information charging him with aiding and abetting the use and discharge of a firearm during and in relation to a crime of violence, and with aiding and abetting the carrying of an explosive during the commission of a felony. In his plea agreement, Royer admitted to aiding and abetting co-defendants Masoud Khan, Yong Ki Kwon, Muhammed Aatique and Khwaja Mahmoud Hasan in gaining entry to a terrorist training camp in Pakistan operated by Lashkar-e-Taiba, where they trained in the use of various weapons. Royer also admitted to helping co-defendant Ibrahim Ahmed Al-Hamdi gain entry to the Lashkar-e-Taiba camp, where Al-Hamdi received training in the use of a rocket-propelled grenade in furtherance of a conspiracy to conduct military operations against India.”

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2004/April/04_crm_225.htm

Your “brother” conspired to aid and abet the enemy.

]]> By: Amir http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-33826 Amir Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:16:13 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-33826 Why is he in jail? Why is he in jail?

]]> By: Sara http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-22919 Sara Sun, 20 Jul 2008 04:41:42 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-22919 MashAllah what beautiful writing and he voices so well what it is sometimes difficult to explain to others.There was a time when I considered religious people to have 'clipped wings', and many of the people in my life still hold this sentiment, (although inshallah I can show them otherwise). Thank you for this article. May Allah continue to guide him. MashAllah what beautiful writing and he voices so well what it is sometimes difficult to explain to others.There was a time when I considered religious people to have ‘clipped wings’, and many of the people in my life still hold this sentiment, (although inshallah I can show them otherwise). Thank you for this article. May Allah continue to guide him.

]]> By: faiez http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-22438 faiez Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:49:30 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-22438 "But the religion of God, to borrow a metaphor, is shallow enough for children to paddle in, and deep enough for the wise to swim in." Simply Amazing “But the religion of God, to borrow a metaphor, is shallow enough for children to paddle in, and deep enough for the wise to swim in.”

Simply Amazing

]]> By: ummfatima http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-22393 ummfatima Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:05:10 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/07/07/clipped-wings-musings-on-faith-philosophy/#comment-22393 Sellam .On June 26, 2008 it was 5 years that he is in prison. So he got 20 years. Is like 2 years good behavior. I think he has left 13 years more. May Allah bring them home before that AMIN. Sellam Ummfatima Sellam

.On June 26, 2008 it was 5 years that he is in prison. So he got 20 years. Is like 2 years good behavior. I think he has left 13 years more. May Allah bring them home before that AMIN.

Sellam
Ummfatima

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