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	<title>Comments on: Obama, the Jewish Vote, and AIPAC</title>
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		<title>By: lahorimasala</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/06/23/obama-the-jewish-vote-and-aipac/#comment-23499</link>
		<dc:creator>lahorimasala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the end, muslims in the United State should support Obama.  I agree that he should be embracing muslims more than he has, however, he is caught in a tough situation.  The Republicans REALLY want Obama to openly embrace muslims and have pictures taken at a mosque because they will use it against him.  Over 10% of the population believes he is a muslim anyway, and it will only increase if he is openly courting the muslim vote.  Obama needs to walk a tightrope on this issue and meet with muslim leaders and hear their concerns.  I don&#039;t think photo ops are necessary, but he does need contact with muslim leaders and perhaps even a muslim presence at some of his campaigns in states like VA and Michigan (hijabi sisters sitting in the background).  

Keep in mind, that the Republicans have treated muslims and muslim countries like crap for the past 8 years.  This will keep up for 4 more years if McCain is elected and we will see a war in Iran as well, which will hurt Turkey and Pakistan in the process.  That is a substantial portion of muslims that will be affected then.  Muslims just shouldn&#039;t trust Republicans, and I&#039;m saying this as someone who voted for George W Bush in 2000 because I grew up being taught that Republicans were good for muslims and Pakistan.  But, that&#039;s a fallacy and not really true.  

Regarding Obama&#039;s stance on attacking Pakistan, he NEVER said that he would invade Pakistan.  Rather, Obama said that he would attack in FATA (tribal areas) if &quot;actionable&quot; intelligence was present and Pakistan could not attack.  This is the same policy that the Pentagon and the Bush administration is using now.  This is the same policy that the McCain campaign would continue.  So, its unfair to target Obama for continuing this as well.  He was saying this to not sound like a dove on terrorism (democrats are thought to be weak).  Obama is not the war candidate, that is McCain.  

Obama will be much better for muslims than McCain.  He won&#039;t give muslims &quot;miracles&quot; (like peace in Palestine, etc...), but the situation of muslims in this country will be improved and that&#039;s significant.  

This election is really between McCain and Obama voting for a third party candidate (Nader, Barr) is tantamount to throwing your vote away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the end, muslims in the United State should support Obama.  I agree that he should be embracing muslims more than he has, however, he is caught in a tough situation.  The Republicans REALLY want Obama to openly embrace muslims and have pictures taken at a mosque because they will use it against him.  Over 10% of the population believes he is a muslim anyway, and it will only increase if he is openly courting the muslim vote.  Obama needs to walk a tightrope on this issue and meet with muslim leaders and hear their concerns.  I don&#8217;t think photo ops are necessary, but he does need contact with muslim leaders and perhaps even a muslim presence at some of his campaigns in states like VA and Michigan (hijabi sisters sitting in the background).  </p>
<p>Keep in mind, that the Republicans have treated muslims and muslim countries like crap for the past 8 years.  This will keep up for 4 more years if McCain is elected and we will see a war in Iran as well, which will hurt Turkey and Pakistan in the process.  That is a substantial portion of muslims that will be affected then.  Muslims just shouldn&#8217;t trust Republicans, and I&#8217;m saying this as someone who voted for George W Bush in 2000 because I grew up being taught that Republicans were good for muslims and Pakistan.  But, that&#8217;s a fallacy and not really true.  </p>
<p>Regarding Obama&#8217;s stance on attacking Pakistan, he NEVER said that he would invade Pakistan.  Rather, Obama said that he would attack in FATA (tribal areas) if &#8220;actionable&#8221; intelligence was present and Pakistan could not attack.  This is the same policy that the Pentagon and the Bush administration is using now.  This is the same policy that the McCain campaign would continue.  So, its unfair to target Obama for continuing this as well.  He was saying this to not sound like a dove on terrorism (democrats are thought to be weak).  Obama is not the war candidate, that is McCain.  </p>
<p>Obama will be much better for muslims than McCain.  He won&#8217;t give muslims &#8220;miracles&#8221; (like peace in Palestine, etc&#8230;), but the situation of muslims in this country will be improved and that&#8217;s significant.  </p>
<p>This election is really between McCain and Obama voting for a third party candidate (Nader, Barr) is tantamount to throwing your vote away.</p>
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		<title>By: foodi</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/06/23/obama-the-jewish-vote-and-aipac/#comment-22571</link>
		<dc:creator>foodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im amazed how few people even know that nader is running.. 
hes been completely shut out by the media

further, im amazed at why he doesnt have the muslim vote..

people that excoriate him for costing al gore the presidency are really pathetic, since gore himself admits that he won fair and square, but had the vote stolen from under him through vote count shenanigans

obama has gone back on every contentious issue there is, which is even more pathetic.  

nader was at 6% in the cnn polls a coupla weeks back. we need to get behind his campaign and get him in office once and for all
votenader.org for gods sake</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im amazed how few people even know that nader is running..<br />
hes been completely shut out by the media</p>
<p>further, im amazed at why he doesnt have the muslim vote..</p>
<p>people that excoriate him for costing al gore the presidency are really pathetic, since gore himself admits that he won fair and square, but had the vote stolen from under him through vote count shenanigans</p>
<p>obama has gone back on every contentious issue there is, which is even more pathetic.  </p>
<p>nader was at 6% in the cnn polls a coupla weeks back. we need to get behind his campaign and get him in office once and for all<br />
votenader.org for gods sake</p>
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		<title>By: Brother</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/06/23/obama-the-jewish-vote-and-aipac/#comment-21641</link>
		<dc:creator>Brother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/25/opinion/edcohen.php</description>
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		<title>By: H. Ahmed</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/06/23/obama-the-jewish-vote-and-aipac/#comment-21633</link>
		<dc:creator>H. Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterday on Dan Abrams, the following statistics were given about Muslim voters:

86% of Virginia Muslim voters turned out in 2006 Senate Election

92% (or 47,700) Muslims voted for Jim Webb

Senator Webb beat Fmr. Sen. Allen by 9,000 Votes.

(Source: Washington Times, Nov. 14, 2006)

This is the perfect example on why the Muslim population cannot be ignored and we should not distance ourselves from Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday on Dan Abrams, the following statistics were given about Muslim voters:</p>
<p>86% of Virginia Muslim voters turned out in 2006 Senate Election</p>
<p>92% (or 47,700) Muslims voted for Jim Webb</p>
<p>Senator Webb beat Fmr. Sen. Allen by 9,000 Votes.</p>
<p>(Source: Washington Times, Nov. 14, 2006)</p>
<p>This is the perfect example on why the Muslim population cannot be ignored and we should not distance ourselves from Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: BostonMuslim</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/06/23/obama-the-jewish-vote-and-aipac/#comment-21599</link>
		<dc:creator>BostonMuslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am with abc on this one, i couldn&#039;t have put it better anyway. Very smart post.

The other thing is for you guys to put your money where your mouth is, this http://www.americanmuslimvoter.net looks like a good way to start in my opinion. don&#039;t you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with abc on this one, i couldn&#8217;t have put it better anyway. Very smart post.</p>
<p>The other thing is for you guys to put your money where your mouth is, this <a href="http://www.americanmuslimvoter.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanmuslimvoter.net</a> looks like a good way to start in my opinion. don&#8217;t you think.</p>
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		<title>By: TaroRoot</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/06/23/obama-the-jewish-vote-and-aipac/#comment-21583</link>
		<dc:creator>TaroRoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catapulted?

That&#039;s a funny freudian slip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catapulted?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a funny freudian slip.</p>
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		<title>By: inexplicabletimelessness</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/06/23/obama-the-jewish-vote-and-aipac/#comment-21579</link>
		<dc:creator>inexplicabletimelessness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As salaamu alaikum 

Please check out the American Muslim Taskforce (AMT)&#039;s Election Plan 2008:

http://www.americanmuslimvoter.net/images/special/AMT%20Election%20Plan-%202008.pdf

AMT is an umbrella organization that represents AMA, CAIR, ISNA, ICNA, MAS, MANA, MSA-N, UMA, PIH

It&#039;s a bit general at the moment but I&#039;m sure with more critique, analysis, discussion and dialogue, American Muslims can create a POWERFUL agenda to present to the candidates. We have a lot of resources and ideas but now we need to ACT insha &#039; Allah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As salaamu alaikum </p>
<p>Please check out the American Muslim Taskforce (AMT)&#8217;s Election Plan 2008:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.americanmuslimvoter.net/images/special/AMT%20Election%20Plan-%202008.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanmuslimvoter.net/images/special/AMT%20Election%20Plan-%202008.pdf</a></p>
<p>AMT is an umbrella organization that represents AMA, CAIR, ISNA, ICNA, MAS, MANA, MSA-N, UMA, PIH</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit general at the moment but I&#8217;m sure with more critique, analysis, discussion and dialogue, American Muslims can create a POWERFUL agenda to present to the candidates. We have a lot of resources and ideas but now we need to ACT insha &#8216; Allah.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Noor Al-Irlandee</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/06/23/obama-the-jewish-vote-and-aipac/#comment-21577</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Noor Al-Irlandee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got no problem voting for Musa.

In fact, if one&#039;s going to vote, you might as well vote for someone you believe in.

Let&#039;s face it, if you really thought about it, your vote doesn&#039;t matter.  It&#039;s just one vote out of millions and very few states are so close that even all the Muslim votes if they were all for the same person would change the result.  For example, I live in Illinois.  Regardless of what I or any of the Muslims in Illinois will do, the electoral votes will go to Obama.  Now, one can think this is good, great, bad, or indifferent, but the point is that it won&#039;t change because of what I do.

Of course, we&#039;re supposed to ignore this reality and spend the next five months just like we&#039;ve spent the last five, talking about the importance of the election with baited breath, weighing the pros and cons, proving what great political strategists and movers and shakers we all are.  This will prove that we are sophisticated and mature citizens who understand how to wield the great and tremendous power we have.  Now, if this sounds more like second grade Disney civics which is meant to benefit and perpetuate the status quo, then obviously you do not understand the complexities of this great and magnificent country.

Allaah knows best.

Here are some quotes from an interesting piece that can be found here from Emma Goldman and Henry David Thoreau, two radical observers of the American scene from the past.  (http://www.counterpunch.org/nimmo03202004.html)

&quot;Emma didn&#039;t believe in voting. &quot;If voting changed anything, they&#039;d make it illegal,&quot; she observed.

In her famous essay, &quot;Anarchism: what it really stands for,&quot; Emma quotes Thoreau, who said, &quot;All voting is a sort of gaming, like checkers, or backgammon, a playing with right and wrong; its obligation never exceeds that of expediency. Even voting for the right thing is doing nothing for it. A wise man will not leave the right to the mercy of chance, nor wish it to prevail through the power of the majority.&quot;

Elections, Goldman knew, consist primarily of &quot;wire-pulling, intriguing, flattering, lying, cheating; in fact, chicanery of every description, whereby the political aspirant can achieve success. Added to that is a complete demoralization of character and conviction, until nothing is left that would make one hope for anything from such a human derelict. Time and time again the people were foolish enough to trust, believe, and support with their last farthing aspiring politicians, only to find themselves betrayed and cheated.&quot; &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got no problem voting for Musa.</p>
<p>In fact, if one&#8217;s going to vote, you might as well vote for someone you believe in.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, if you really thought about it, your vote doesn&#8217;t matter.  It&#8217;s just one vote out of millions and very few states are so close that even all the Muslim votes if they were all for the same person would change the result.  For example, I live in Illinois.  Regardless of what I or any of the Muslims in Illinois will do, the electoral votes will go to Obama.  Now, one can think this is good, great, bad, or indifferent, but the point is that it won&#8217;t change because of what I do.</p>
<p>Of course, we&#8217;re supposed to ignore this reality and spend the next five months just like we&#8217;ve spent the last five, talking about the importance of the election with baited breath, weighing the pros and cons, proving what great political strategists and movers and shakers we all are.  This will prove that we are sophisticated and mature citizens who understand how to wield the great and tremendous power we have.  Now, if this sounds more like second grade Disney civics which is meant to benefit and perpetuate the status quo, then obviously you do not understand the complexities of this great and magnificent country.</p>
<p>Allaah knows best.</p>
<p>Here are some quotes from an interesting piece that can be found here from Emma Goldman and Henry David Thoreau, two radical observers of the American scene from the past.  (<a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/nimmo03202004.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org/nimmo03202004.html</a>)</p>
<p>&#8220;Emma didn&#8217;t believe in voting. &#8220;If voting changed anything, they&#8217;d make it illegal,&#8221; she observed.</p>
<p>In her famous essay, &#8220;Anarchism: what it really stands for,&#8221; Emma quotes Thoreau, who said, &#8220;All voting is a sort of gaming, like checkers, or backgammon, a playing with right and wrong; its obligation never exceeds that of expediency. Even voting for the right thing is doing nothing for it. A wise man will not leave the right to the mercy of chance, nor wish it to prevail through the power of the majority.&#8221;</p>
<p>Elections, Goldman knew, consist primarily of &#8220;wire-pulling, intriguing, flattering, lying, cheating; in fact, chicanery of every description, whereby the political aspirant can achieve success. Added to that is a complete demoralization of character and conviction, until nothing is left that would make one hope for anything from such a human derelict. Time and time again the people were foolish enough to trust, believe, and support with their last farthing aspiring politicians, only to find themselves betrayed and cheated.&#8221; &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Amad</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/06/23/obama-the-jewish-vote-and-aipac/#comment-21575</link>
		<dc:creator>Amad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Voting for Nader is as good as voting for Musa. In fact, voting for Musa is even better.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://muslimmatters.org/2008/01/10/vote-for-me/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ForgetObamaWhenMusaMaguireIsTheMan.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Voting for Nader is as good as voting for Musa. In fact, voting for Musa is even better.</p>
<p><a href="http://muslimmatters.org/2008/01/10/vote-for-me/" rel="nofollow">ForgetObamaWhenMusaMaguireIsTheMan.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Abu Noor Al-Irlandee</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/06/23/obama-the-jewish-vote-and-aipac/#comment-21574</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Noor Al-Irlandee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>H.Ahmed,

Nader is in the race.  

http://www.votenader.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>H.Ahmed,</p>
<p>Nader is in the race.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.votenader.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.votenader.org/</a></p>
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