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	<title>Comments on: John, Paul, George, Ringo and Omar &#8211; Ruth Nasrullah</title>
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		<title>By: ibnabeeomar</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/05/28/john-paul-george-ringo-and-omar/#comment-21100</link>
		<dc:creator>ibnabeeomar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Olivia Kompier</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/05/28/john-paul-george-ringo-and-omar/#comment-20720</link>
		<dc:creator>Olivia Kompier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 04:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the problem lies in the fact that young girls find that behavior to be normal and it is characterized as &quot;normal&quot; behavior for a concernt.  Its like &quot;hey, this is a &lt;em&gt;concert&lt;/em&gt;, what am i supposed to do?&quot;

I think a nice solution would be for the band themself to, at the beginning of the concert, set the guidelines for how they would like sisters to respond or appreicate their performance.  If it came straight from them most likely i would be honored.  Maybe make it a point next time to announce at the beginning &quot;Sisters, we appreciate your support and would love it if you would show that support by waving your glowly stick.  Our best female fans are the ones who bring their haya to our concerts.&quot;

Someone wanna call their PR guy a memo? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem lies in the fact that young girls find that behavior to be normal and it is characterized as &#8220;normal&#8221; behavior for a concernt.  Its like &#8220;hey, this is a <em>concert</em>, what am i supposed to do?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think a nice solution would be for the band themself to, at the beginning of the concert, set the guidelines for how they would like sisters to respond or appreicate their performance.  If it came straight from them most likely i would be honored.  Maybe make it a point next time to announce at the beginning &#8220;Sisters, we appreciate your support and would love it if you would show that support by waving your glowly stick.  Our best female fans are the ones who bring their haya to our concerts.&#8221;</p>
<p>Someone wanna call their PR guy a memo? ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth Nasrullah</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/05/28/john-paul-george-ringo-and-omar/#comment-20641</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth Nasrullah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 23:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaamu alaikum everyone.  Sorry, I&#039;m out of town and just saw today that this was posted.  I will do my best to respond to comments in a couple days when I&#039;m back in town.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaamu alaikum everyone.  Sorry, I&#8217;m out of town and just saw today that this was posted.  I will do my best to respond to comments in a couple days when I&#8217;m back in town.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Ninja</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/05/28/john-paul-george-ringo-and-omar/#comment-20594</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Ninja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 02:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MashaAllah salafFollower.

My thought exactly.

May Allah reward you InshaAllah.

Wasalaam

Abu Ninja

p.s. How &lt;em&gt;anyone&lt;/em&gt; can say music is ok and these anasheed concerts are ok after listening to Kamal el-Makkis beautiful lecture &#039;The End Of Music,&#039; in my opinion has to be a follower of hawaa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MashaAllah salafFollower.</p>
<p>My thought exactly.</p>
<p>May Allah reward you InshaAllah.</p>
<p>Wasalaam</p>
<p>Abu Ninja</p>
<p>p.s. How <em>anyone</em> can say music is ok and these anasheed concerts are ok after listening to Kamal el-Makkis beautiful lecture &#8216;The End Of Music,&#8217; in my opinion has to be a follower of hawaa.</p>
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		<title>By: Aboo Uthmaan</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/05/28/john-paul-george-ringo-and-omar/#comment-20592</link>
		<dc:creator>Aboo Uthmaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 23:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaf Follower - May Allaah reward you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaf Follower &#8211; May Allaah reward you!</p>
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		<title>By: salafFollower</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/05/28/john-paul-george-ringo-and-omar/#comment-20588</link>
		<dc:creator>salafFollower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 22:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been trying (unsuccessfully) to make this point: we cannot decouple the issue of the permissibility of these nasheeds and concerts from the &#039;bad environment&#039; that reportedly exists at these events. We need to think carefully about the permissibility of &#039;halal&#039; nasheeds and concerts - where the performers are professionals whose sole purpose is to &#039;entertain&#039; the crowd. 

We need to understand that the scholars,  who have deep wisdom and insight into this religion and the reasons for its legislation, have pointed out that music (in whatever form) is usually accompanied by evil things - alcohol, dancing, gender mixing etc. etc. This is the very nature of music. I once heard Sh. Suhaib Hassan say that everything has a key to it, and &quot;Al-ghina Miftah-u-zina&quot; - Music is the key to zina. 

mcpagal:

Therefore, asking ppl to &#039;calm down&#039; is not going to solve anything because the *essence* of music (even with Islamic wordings - doesn&#039;t matter - is anyone really paying attention to the wordings?) is that it is a doorway to evil and therefore the only solution is to shut this door for good. Because its sole purpose is only &#039;entertainment&#039;. And the sad part is that we&#039;ve now made an &#039;Islamic&#039; justification for it.

I know that many scholars have permitted anasheed etc. but there is a difference between a brother/sistetr impromptu singing a nasheed in an informal gathering that has a nice Islamic meaning to it that encourages good deeds etc. vs. making a whole professional industry out of it where Muslim nasheed &#039;artists&#039; get paid to entertain other Muslims. There is a world of difference in that and we have to understand this and know that we are headed in the wrong direction if we encourage such activities in our communities.

I was shocked to see some of the youtube videos linked from this article. If I hadn&#039;t known better, I would never have been able to tell that this was an Islamic event with Muslim performers and Muslim attendees. Are we really so keen on spending this much money (stage, lights etc.) to listen to a nasheed when our brothers &amp; sisters are suffering all over the world? How would a Muslim in Gaza feel if he saw this concert?

We need to hold ourselves accountable before we are held to account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been trying (unsuccessfully) to make this point: we cannot decouple the issue of the permissibility of these nasheeds and concerts from the &#8216;bad environment&#8217; that reportedly exists at these events. We need to think carefully about the permissibility of &#8216;halal&#8217; nasheeds and concerts &#8211; where the performers are professionals whose sole purpose is to &#8216;entertain&#8217; the crowd. </p>
<p>We need to understand that the scholars,  who have deep wisdom and insight into this religion and the reasons for its legislation, have pointed out that music (in whatever form) is usually accompanied by evil things &#8211; alcohol, dancing, gender mixing etc. etc. This is the very nature of music. I once heard Sh. Suhaib Hassan say that everything has a key to it, and &#8220;Al-ghina Miftah-u-zina&#8221; &#8211; Music is the key to zina. </p>
<p>mcpagal:</p>
<p>Therefore, asking ppl to &#8216;calm down&#8217; is not going to solve anything because the *essence* of music (even with Islamic wordings &#8211; doesn&#8217;t matter &#8211; is anyone really paying attention to the wordings?) is that it is a doorway to evil and therefore the only solution is to shut this door for good. Because its sole purpose is only &#8216;entertainment&#8217;. And the sad part is that we&#8217;ve now made an &#8216;Islamic&#8217; justification for it.</p>
<p>I know that many scholars have permitted anasheed etc. but there is a difference between a brother/sistetr impromptu singing a nasheed in an informal gathering that has a nice Islamic meaning to it that encourages good deeds etc. vs. making a whole professional industry out of it where Muslim nasheed &#8216;artists&#8217; get paid to entertain other Muslims. There is a world of difference in that and we have to understand this and know that we are headed in the wrong direction if we encourage such activities in our communities.</p>
<p>I was shocked to see some of the youtube videos linked from this article. If I hadn&#8217;t known better, I would never have been able to tell that this was an Islamic event with Muslim performers and Muslim attendees. Are we really so keen on spending this much money (stage, lights etc.) to listen to a nasheed when our brothers &amp; sisters are suffering all over the world? How would a Muslim in Gaza feel if he saw this concert?</p>
<p>We need to hold ourselves accountable before we are held to account.</p>
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		<title>By: mcpagal</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/05/28/john-paul-george-ringo-and-omar/#comment-20573</link>
		<dc:creator>mcpagal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 17:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...if you’re making young girls scream it might be a sign that you’re going in the wrong direction.&quot;

I think a lot of the time the bulk of the blame lies with the audience, not the performers. Its the young girls that are doing the screaming after all! Seems like they&#039;d seriously need some basic education on ettiquettes and stuff. If you&#039;re so little in control of yourself that you start screaming for a bunch of guys on stage, then there&#039;s probably bigger problems there.

The first nasheed concert I went to, a whole bunch of the sisters who were stewarding were waving their arms and shrieking to the performance... They were older than I was! I thought &#039;dude... they&#039;re singing tala&#039;al badru alayna, calm it down. I asked them to stop dancing and stuff, but they were very offended. It looked really bad because they were the stewards of this event, they should have been setting an example.

The performers do have responsibilities though - I think they should tone it down and keep things simple. Last time Native Deen were in town, there were flashing lights and everything during their performance, and they were trying to hype up the crowd every so often. It made me feel really uncomfortable. I think it&#039;s also different if the sole purpose of the event is the concert, rather than just having some nasheeds as light entertainment during a wider programme.

In essence: everybody should calm down... :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;if you’re making young girls scream it might be a sign that you’re going in the wrong direction.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think a lot of the time the bulk of the blame lies with the audience, not the performers. Its the young girls that are doing the screaming after all! Seems like they&#8217;d seriously need some basic education on ettiquettes and stuff. If you&#8217;re so little in control of yourself that you start screaming for a bunch of guys on stage, then there&#8217;s probably bigger problems there.</p>
<p>The first nasheed concert I went to, a whole bunch of the sisters who were stewarding were waving their arms and shrieking to the performance&#8230; They were older than I was! I thought &#8216;dude&#8230; they&#8217;re singing tala&#8217;al badru alayna, calm it down. I asked them to stop dancing and stuff, but they were very offended. It looked really bad because they were the stewards of this event, they should have been setting an example.</p>
<p>The performers do have responsibilities though &#8211; I think they should tone it down and keep things simple. Last time Native Deen were in town, there were flashing lights and everything during their performance, and they were trying to hype up the crowd every so often. It made me feel really uncomfortable. I think it&#8217;s also different if the sole purpose of the event is the concert, rather than just having some nasheeds as light entertainment during a wider programme.</p>
<p>In essence: everybody should calm down&#8230; :P</p>
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		<title>By: Sami Rahman</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/05/28/john-paul-george-ringo-and-omar/#comment-20549</link>
		<dc:creator>Sami Rahman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 05:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another set of articles that  I thought would be relevant on this topic, however these focus more on the entire phenomenon of &quot;manufacturing music&quot; via boy/girl &quot;bands&quot;:

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/features/story/0,11710,1282756,00.html

the article makes the point that many of these individuals who are in this form of entertainment are no different than eunuchs/castrated males  in the Middle Ages who sang and danced for kings/queens.  Shouldn&#039;t be all that surprising since many of them have admitted to being and promoting homosexuality actually:

http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2006/08/11/jordan_knight_urges_boy_band_members_to_

http://www.afterelton.com/archive/elton/music/2005/8/ukboybands2.html


keeping in mind that the guy who recently  manufactured most of these boy bands in Florida i.e. N&#039;Sync and Backstreet Boys just went to prison:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/orl-bk-lou-pearlman-boy-band-052108,0,3312606.story

Q: these are the people and forms of entertainment  that we are holding up as role models for Muslims?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another set of articles that  I thought would be relevant on this topic, however these focus more on the entire phenomenon of &#8220;manufacturing music&#8221; via boy/girl &#8220;bands&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://arts.guardian.co.uk/features/story/0,11710,1282756,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://arts.guardian.co.uk/features/story/0,11710,1282756,00.html</a></p>
<p>the article makes the point that many of these individuals who are in this form of entertainment are no different than eunuchs/castrated males  in the Middle Ages who sang and danced for kings/queens.  Shouldn&#8217;t be all that surprising since many of them have admitted to being and promoting homosexuality actually:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2006/08/11/jordan_knight_urges_boy_band_members_to_" rel="nofollow">http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2006/08/11/jordan_knight_urges_boy_band_members_to_</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.afterelton.com/archive/elton/music/2005/8/ukboybands2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.afterelton.com/archive/elton/music/2005/8/ukboybands2.html</a></p>
<p>keeping in mind that the guy who recently  manufactured most of these boy bands in Florida i.e. N&#8217;Sync and Backstreet Boys just went to prison:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/orl-bk-lou-pearlman-boy-band-052108,0,3312606.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/orl-bk-lou-pearlman-boy-band-052108,0,3312606.story</a></p>
<p>Q: these are the people and forms of entertainment  that we are holding up as role models for Muslims?</p>
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		<title>By: Ibn Masood</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/05/28/john-paul-george-ringo-and-omar/#comment-20548</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibn Masood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 04:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And about the performance, they should really take it upon themselves to remind the audience what the purpose of them singing in the first place is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And about the performance, they should really take it upon themselves to remind the audience what the purpose of them singing in the first place is.</p>
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		<title>By: Ibn Masood</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/05/28/john-paul-george-ringo-and-omar/#comment-20547</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibn Masood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 04:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO, I don&#039;t listen to nasheeds with any sort of tune or catchy rhythm to them (as per Shaykh Uthaymin). Without going into any detail, I&#039;d rather listen to the Quran and spend my time listening to that as opposed to spending my time listening to nasheeds. For me, its less about &#039;Islamic Culture&#039; which I see to be trivial in this case, than it is about pleasing Allah swt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO, I don&#8217;t listen to nasheeds with any sort of tune or catchy rhythm to them (as per Shaykh Uthaymin). Without going into any detail, I&#8217;d rather listen to the Quran and spend my time listening to that as opposed to spending my time listening to nasheeds. For me, its less about &#8216;Islamic Culture&#8217; which I see to be trivial in this case, than it is about pleasing Allah swt.</p>
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