Comments on: Sex & the Ummah: Innocence Lost

By: x

Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:12:51 +0000

here here! ..and its not just those who “appear islamic from their talk” they even dress in the full garb, covering faces, long robes men and women, they know each other from islamic establishments or organisations…and where does all the islam go? married,unmarried, young or old, shy or quiet, well known as respected or the quiet shy ones…all at it these days…peoples outward appearnces and images do not indicate the level of morals they have and it is a sigh of the end…
“in the last times men will come forth who fraudulentlyuse religion for worldly ends and wear sheepskinsin public to display their meekness. Their tongues wil be sweeter than sugar but their hearts will be the hearts of wolves”
Allah is watching, so if someone has cheated on you…He will deal with it dont worry

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Sex & The Ummah: Innocence Lost - The Asian Place - Desi Forum - Asian Forum — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 01:32:59 +0000

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By: Ihatecheaters

Ihatecheaters — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 02:02:21 +0000

Well…I’m not married. So no I’m not talking from full experience but my views do have a basis. The thought of my future husband potentially engaging in such things scares me, no it kills me! I HATE it when men and women flirt, needlessly joke and just talk for the heck of it! If people do such things outside of marriage, which people do, then there wouldn’t be a lot of loveliness left in a marital relationship. I think such things contribute to marital destruction. i don’t know what I would do if ALLAH FORBID i get stuck in such a relationship. May Allah protect.

It feels good to say such things in public. If Alllah wills, someone will read my comments and take heed.

By: Mr GQ

Mr GQ — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:21:39 +0000

Ihatecheaters -

Sounds like you speaking from (a bitter) experience.

By: Ed Abd Al-Ghafur

Ed Abd Al-Ghafur — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:56:06 +0000

For those struggling with a pornography addiction, there is a support group (Muslim Accountability Circle) thats just been started at http://www.no-porn.com. Click on the forum boards, and then click on accountability circle. It’s completely anonymous. This might very well be the first of its kind for Muslims on the internet.

By: Ihatecheaters

Ihatecheaters — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:58:26 +0000

Speaking of smacking, I feel like smacking all married men and women who appear Islamic from their talk but flirt with each other on the internet. I especially feel like smacking unmarried women who flirt with married men and vice versa.

By: Mr GQ

Mr GQ — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:27:31 +0000

Walaikumassalaam Warahmtuallah Siraaj,

I guess my response to this will only result in going around circles once again.

However, to keep it direct and short, I just want to say that if there is clear evidence stating that a person should not be beaten hard (or harshly), I will admit I am wrong and take whatever is correct.

By the way, when I say ‘beaten hard,’ I do not mean beating with a baseball bat.

So once again, If there is daleel to show I am wrong, I’m all for it. Please show me as I may very well be in the wrong.

By: Siraaj Muhammad

Siraaj Muhammad — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:02:03 +0000

Salaam alaykum Mr. GQ,

I guess what this all comes down to is this – is there evidence that the way to correct children is through a severe beating? Or, stated a different way, is there evidence that severe beatings of openly sinful children is allowed?

I say this because each party has provided anecdotal evidence for their opinions, both you and others. It may be that beating has worked well for you and others, but that is not a proof in and of itself. I know of women who convert to Islam because they date Muslim men, and while some do so for the man, others eventually do believe in Islam. The same happens with nonMuslim men dating Muslim women at times. We can’t now advocate dating as a technique for daw’ah because it demonstrates a success rate.

This is a common mistake that others make – they see something bad, it does some good, so they then support this as good, and believe the best thing is to continue forward with it – it worked for me, it worked for some, it can possibly work for you too.

So, my point in all this – if something which is haraam produces some good, this doesn’t mean we can start using it as a primary means to now bring about good – so, my question to you, is there evidence from the Qur’aan and / or Sunnah which stipulates that the severe beating of an openly sinning child is allowed? If there is, then political correctness be damned, we should accept it as a viable technique, but if not, then we ought to re-consider this technique in light of the Sunnah, and not anecdotal evidence alone, insha’Allah.

Wallaahu A’lam. May all our children be strong, practicing Muslim leaders that continue to raise the flag of Islam ’round the world.

Siraaj

By: Mr GQ

Mr GQ — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:09:42 +0000

Yes, I think we’re going in circles.

I believe that both are good – talking it out and beating. Others believe beating is not only bad, but wrong.

So I guess lets end it here, Insha’Allah.

Oh and Khawla, I think I do need a beating. It is a good training for me.

By: khawla

khawla — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:14:35 +0000

“Beatings can very well make you realize that you were in the wrong.”

Mr GQ, may be you need a beating for yourself so you realize that you were in the wrong?