Comments on: How Muslims are Treated in the USA – ABC Primetime http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/28/how-muslims-are-treated-in-the-usa-abc-primetime/ Discourses in the Intellectual Traditions, Political Situation, and Social Ethics of Muslim Life Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:55:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: heidi http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/28/how-muslims-are-treated-in-the-usa-abc-primetime/#comment-87621 heidi Sun, 09 Jan 2011 00:58:42 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/28/how-muslims-are-treated-in-the-usa-abc-primetime/#comment-87621 this is so horrible u ppl r still judging others even after hundreds of years of this problem being "solved". this is so horrible u ppl r still judging others even after hundreds of years of this problem being “solved”.

]]> By: Rafa http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/28/how-muslims-are-treated-in-the-usa-abc-primetime/#comment-73890 Rafa Wed, 18 Aug 2010 20:40:35 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/28/how-muslims-are-treated-in-the-usa-abc-primetime/#comment-73890 Ian, America is a democratic country. Saudi Arabia is a religious monarchy. You can't compare the way both countries treat their citizens when ultimately their ideals are different. Nobody doubts that Saudi has issues. But which government doesn't? Here's something to take note of: Saudi is NOT Islam. No religion, be it Islam or Christianity, is defined by borders made by man or the laws made and governed by man. No religion is defined by its people. The mere fact that you're human will guarantee that you will make mistakes. What you're saying here is the equivalent of me taking the "Burn a Quran Day" practice in a Florida Church (if you haven't heard, look it up) and declaring that all Christians are anti-Islamist and are burning Qurans in their homes. But I won't take it that way, and not because I'm a righteous person. It really just comes down to common sense. No one is saying America is bad. If you really take a deep look around, even on this site, you'll notice time and again that Muslims ARE happy to be American, happy to call themselves American. That's the only message that's trying to be conveyed. Ian,
America is a democratic country. Saudi Arabia is a religious monarchy. You can’t compare the way both countries treat their citizens when ultimately their ideals are different.
Nobody doubts that Saudi has issues. But which government doesn’t? Here’s something to take note of: Saudi is NOT Islam. No religion, be it Islam or Christianity, is defined by borders made by man or the laws made and governed by man.
No religion is defined by its people. The mere fact that you’re human will guarantee that you will make mistakes. What you’re saying here is the equivalent of me taking the “Burn a Quran Day” practice in a Florida Church (if you haven’t heard, look it up) and declaring that all Christians are anti-Islamist and are burning Qurans in their homes. But I won’t take it that way, and not because I’m a righteous person. It really just comes down to common sense.
No one is saying America is bad. If you really take a deep look around, even on this site, you’ll notice time and again that Muslims ARE happy to be American, happy to call themselves American. That’s the only message that’s trying to be conveyed.

]]> By: Siraaj http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/28/how-muslims-are-treated-in-the-usa-abc-primetime/#comment-73885 Siraaj Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:50:46 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/28/how-muslims-are-treated-in-the-usa-abc-primetime/#comment-73885 Ian, your post is fascinating. It highlights that: 1. Muslim countries have human rights issues. 2. Muslims left those countries because of those issues (and financial reasons as well). 3. Muslims are now disagreeing with American policies (a right they didn't have in their own countries often). Is your view that Muslims should live and act as they did "back home"? That they should just shut up and not point out when they're discriminated against, or when they don't approve of a government policy? Do you think that Muslims shouldn't stand up and point out that the American government's policies and diplomatic relationships with many of the countries you've mentioned is what empowers many of the dictators and tyrants worldwide that allow for and commit these egregious crimes of human rights violations? Siraaj Ian, your post is fascinating. It highlights that:

1. Muslim countries have human rights issues.
2. Muslims left those countries because of those issues (and financial reasons as well).
3. Muslims are now disagreeing with American policies (a right they didn’t have in their own countries often).

Is your view that Muslims should live and act as they did “back home”? That they should just shut up and not point out when they’re discriminated against, or when they don’t approve of a government policy? Do you think that Muslims shouldn’t stand up and point out that the American government’s policies and diplomatic relationships with many of the countries you’ve mentioned is what empowers many of the dictators and tyrants worldwide that allow for and commit these egregious crimes of human rights violations?

Siraaj

]]> By: Ian Davis http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/28/how-muslims-are-treated-in-the-usa-abc-primetime/#comment-73881 Ian Davis Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:31:35 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/28/how-muslims-are-treated-in-the-usa-abc-primetime/#comment-73881 It is a shame the main stream media does not show the murder and persecution of Christians in Muslim countries which pales in comparison to this piece of propaganda from the main stream media ABC prime time. The video proves that the majority of Americans are not anti Muslim. I wonder if the same work was done in Saudi Arabia in support of a Christian women we would see what might happen. Never mind what if a Muslim women were to remove her Hajib what would happen to her in Saudi Arabia. How many lashes would she receive The media gives you about 10% of the truth which distorts the whole truth. If America is so bad why do Muslims come here in the first place. There is no mass exodus of Christian Americans looking to settle in Saudi Arabia, Syria, the great panaceas of freedom. Is there? It is a shame the main stream media does not show the murder and persecution of Christians in Muslim countries which pales in comparison to this piece of propaganda from the main stream media ABC prime time.

The video proves that the majority of Americans are not anti Muslim. I wonder if the same work was done in Saudi Arabia in support of a Christian women we would see what might happen. Never mind what if a Muslim women were to remove her Hajib what would happen to her in Saudi Arabia. How many lashes would she receive

The media gives you about 10% of the truth which distorts the whole truth.

If America is so bad why do Muslims come here in the first place. There is no mass exodus of Christian Americans looking to settle in Saudi Arabia, Syria, the great panaceas of freedom. Is there?

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]]> By: Amad http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/28/how-muslims-are-treated-in-the-usa-abc-primetime/#comment-42952 Amad Thu, 14 May 2009 02:18:45 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/28/how-muslims-are-treated-in-the-usa-abc-primetime/#comment-42952 American guy, the word "kaafir" is a non-believer, someone who is not a Muslim. Just like a Muslim is a nonbeliever as far as most Christians and Jews are concerned, the reverse is true as well. Repeating the word a dozen times does not make it ugly or wrong in its essence. I also know of non-Muslims in Middle East. There are people from Europe and Americas working there. With few exceptions, they are doing well, otherwise they wouldn't leave the West to go there. Yes, there are restrictions but those are the laws of the country that the people who enter it know before coming there. If there was a law in the USA that Muslims cannot have mosques, then Muslims would have to obey it. But America is not a country ruled by religion, it is a secular nation, so it has to abide by its own laws and principles. Comparing it to the Middle East or anywhere else is apples to oranges, and really irrelevant. I think we cannot forget what Americans not long ago did to African Americans and before that native Indians. So, where we are today, is a relatively new phenoneman, and we have to protect that for all Americans, regardless of race or religion. This is not about the Middle East, this is about America. That is where I live and that is where you live. American guy, the word “kaafir” is a non-believer, someone who is not a Muslim. Just like a Muslim is a nonbeliever as far as most Christians and Jews are concerned, the reverse is true as well. Repeating the word a dozen times does not make it ugly or wrong in its essence.

I also know of non-Muslims in Middle East. There are people from Europe and Americas working there. With few exceptions, they are doing well, otherwise they wouldn’t leave the West to go there. Yes, there are restrictions but those are the laws of the country that the people who enter it know before coming there. If there was a law in the USA that Muslims cannot have mosques, then Muslims would have to obey it. But America is not a country ruled by religion, it is a secular nation, so it has to abide by its own laws and principles. Comparing it to the Middle East or anywhere else is apples to oranges, and really irrelevant. I think we cannot forget what Americans not long ago did to African Americans and before that native Indians. So, where we are today, is a relatively new phenoneman, and we have to protect that for all Americans, regardless of race or religion. This is not about the Middle East, this is about America. That is where I live and that is where you live.

]]> By: American Guy http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/28/how-muslims-are-treated-in-the-usa-abc-primetime/#comment-42950 American Guy Thu, 14 May 2009 00:15:01 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/28/how-muslims-are-treated-in-the-usa-abc-primetime/#comment-42950 Discrimination of any American because of their faith is wrong. USA is a great nation. One can see many of Americans came in defense of the Muslim girl. A different perspective - I have friends who live in MiddleEast. In Saudi Arabia and other countries (except Dubai), people of other faiths are treated as Kafirs (infidels). There are separate laws and harsher punishment than Muslims. I wonder if this story, roles reversed and done in MiddleEast, how many locals would come in defense of Kafir. Kafirs cannot have temples, churches in MiddleEast. When you enter any county, any picture of Jesus, God or Goddess is confiscated. People of other faiths have to fly to other countries to get their kids baptized. Women of other faith are required to wear ‘hizab’. People of a Islamic faith feel offended in US because of ‘exceptions’ and use stories to promote hatred against US. During the month of Ramzan in Middle East countries, if you are not a Muslim, you have to close all windows, doors and ensure that no Muslim person sees you eating meals. If by any chance some Muslim sees you and informs the religious police, you are punished with lashes. People of other faith cannot have temples or churches in these countries. <strong>“IT IS TIME TO CHANGE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MIDDLE EAST <em>AGAINST PEOPLE OF OTHER FAITH</em></strong>”; IT WILL MAKE A ‘BIG DIFFERENCE’ Discrimination of any American because of their faith is wrong. USA is a great nation. One can see many of Americans came in defense of the Muslim girl. A different perspective – I have friends who live in MiddleEast. In Saudi Arabia and other countries (except Dubai), people of other faiths are treated as Kafirs (infidels). There are separate laws and harsher punishment than Muslims. I wonder if this story, roles reversed and done in MiddleEast, how many locals would come in defense of Kafir.

Kafirs cannot have temples, churches in MiddleEast. When you enter any county, any picture of Jesus, God or Goddess is confiscated. People of other faiths have to fly to other countries to get their kids baptized. Women of other faith are required to wear ‘hizab’. People of a Islamic faith feel offended in US because of ‘exceptions’ and use stories to promote hatred against US.

During the month of Ramzan in Middle East countries, if you are not a Muslim, you have to close all windows, doors and ensure that no Muslim person sees you eating meals. If by any chance some Muslim sees you and informs the religious police, you are punished with lashes. People of other faith cannot have temples or churches in these countries.

“IT IS TIME TO CHANGE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MIDDLE EAST AGAINST PEOPLE OF OTHER FAITH”; IT WILL MAKE A ‘BIG DIFFERENCE’

]]> By: Muslim Lea http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/28/how-muslims-are-treated-in-the-usa-abc-primetime/#comment-34642 Muslim Lea Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:53:51 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/28/how-muslims-are-treated-in-the-usa-abc-primetime/#comment-34642 Ha, more than 6 months too late but I have to get my opinion in. Great video, loved every bit of it. And about the hug discussion (which I wouldn't even have noticed had it not been mentioned here; which just proves how much people are fixated to find that one thing WRONG): MK was basically the only sensible person on here. This makes me really angry, and it is something I ALWAYS see Muslims do. STOP always looking for the wrongs in people's actions. STOP telling people what they have to do just because YOU think it is right. There is not ONE right and ONE wrong. There are situations. Different reasons and intentions. I am a full Muslim and to me that hug was more than all right. This was not a 'mistake'. And I take absolutely zero shame in saying I would've hugged him a million times over. But who ARE YOU (or I) to judge? God is the sole judge, so stop trying to take place! Ha, more than 6 months too late but I have to get my opinion in.

Great video, loved every bit of it.

And about the hug discussion (which I wouldn’t even have noticed had it not been mentioned here; which just proves how much people are fixated to find that one thing WRONG):

MK was basically the only sensible person on here.

This makes me really angry, and it is something I ALWAYS see Muslims do. STOP always looking for the wrongs in people’s actions. STOP telling people what they have to do just because YOU think it is right. There is not ONE right and ONE wrong. There are situations. Different reasons and intentions. I am a full Muslim and to me that hug was more than all right. This was not a ‘mistake’. And I take absolutely zero shame in saying I would’ve hugged him a million times over.

But who ARE YOU (or I) to judge? God is the sole judge, so stop trying to take place!

]]> By: fais http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/28/how-muslims-are-treated-in-the-usa-abc-primetime/#comment-34272 fais Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:52:05 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/28/how-muslims-are-treated-in-the-usa-abc-primetime/#comment-34272 Thank you Life. I understand how these seemingly harmless actions make it harder for muslim women (and men) trying to implement proper hijab... now, not only do you need to explain why you don't shake hands, but you have to try to explain why the hijabi in that video does =P. We should realize that valid reasons or not, her actions have been caught on camera sending a construed message to non-muslims. And just like Life, I am not discrediting the sister, we all make mistakes. I just want to point out we as muslims should step up and be particularly mindful next time we are caught up in a similar situation. Thank you Life. I understand how these seemingly harmless actions make it harder for muslim women (and men) trying to implement proper hijab… now, not only do you need to explain why you don’t shake hands, but you have to try to explain why the hijabi in that video does =P. We should realize that valid reasons or not, her actions have been caught on camera sending a construed message to non-muslims. And just like Life, I am not discrediting the sister, we all make mistakes. I just want to point out we as muslims should step up and be particularly mindful next time we are caught up in a similar situation.

]]> By: Marwan http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/28/how-muslims-are-treated-in-the-usa-abc-primetime/#comment-31574 Marwan Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:23:44 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/28/how-muslims-are-treated-in-the-usa-abc-primetime/#comment-31574 I've read the discussion over the hug, and I find the hug completely harmless for two reasons. 1) The man was probably as old as her father, and stood up for her when a lot of people didn't. 2) It was on camera, and was a very emotional moment, and she couldn't just say no infront of the camera. Just remember that God knows what you're thinking, and your intentions. If she hugged the man with pure innocent intentions, it's different that if she hugged him with something else in mind. We're not to judge. I’ve read the discussion over the hug, and I find the hug completely harmless for two reasons.
1) The man was probably as old as her father, and stood up for her when a lot of people didn’t.
2) It was on camera, and was a very emotional moment, and she couldn’t just say no infront of the camera.
Just remember that God knows what you’re thinking, and your intentions. If she hugged the man with pure innocent intentions, it’s different that if she hugged him with something else in mind.
We’re not to judge.

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