Comments on: Unfair Dealing: The Toronto Homegrown Terror Threat http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/ Discourses in the Intellectual Traditions, Political Situation, and Social Ethics of Muslim Life Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:55:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: aqmamin http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-63151 aqmamin Fri, 02 Apr 2010 06:15:58 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-63151 <strong>The extremist media has concealed the real extremists. For example israel can slaughter the civilian population in Gaza. But the Palestinian children fighting back with stones are extremists and terrorists. The American view is that people can explode bombs for promoting the american defined democracy, but not for Shariah laws. Indeed we live in paradoxical world. The so called Saudi scholars will support any group that issues one side condemnation of terrorism, but the same scholars will remain silent on the Anglo-US terrorism in Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen. What the West does, is simple modern day oil piracy. Muslims want a world that is free from all types of terrorism coming from individuals, groups, political parties and STATES. The Saudi scholars call for the stopping of the actions of the non-State actors while they justify State terrorism carried out through illegal invasion and disproportionate slaughter of civilians. Call for a nuclear free world not just a nuclear free Iran. </strong> The extremist media has concealed the real extremists. For example israel can slaughter the civilian population in Gaza. But the Palestinian children fighting back with stones are extremists and terrorists. The American view is that people can explode bombs for promoting the american defined democracy, but not for Shariah laws. Indeed we live in paradoxical world. The so called Saudi scholars will support any group that issues one side condemnation of terrorism, but the same scholars will remain silent on the Anglo-US terrorism in Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen. What the West does, is simple modern day oil piracy. Muslims want a world that is free from all types of terrorism coming from individuals, groups, political parties and STATES. The Saudi scholars call for the stopping of the actions of the non-State actors while they justify State terrorism carried out through illegal invasion and disproportionate slaughter of civilians. Call for a nuclear free world not just a nuclear free Iran.

]]> By: Omar http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-57115 Omar Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:14:15 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-57115 Mubin, E-mail me if you want to be interviewed regarding the 'Toronto 18.' It will be published in the Spring issue of <em>Muslim Quarterly</em> and will be available in the newsstands, Insha'Allah. info@MuslimQuarterly.com Mubin,

E-mail me if you want to be interviewed regarding the ‘Toronto 18.’ It will be published in the Spring issue of Muslim Quarterly and will be available in the newsstands, Insha’Allah.

info@MuslimQuarterly.com

]]> By: Omar http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-57114 Omar Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:11:49 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-57114 While it may seem you have been betrayed by your fellow brothers, realize that many times people plead guilty in exchange for a lesser sentence. I interviewed one of the brothers who is in prison waiting for his trial and was told that he has thought about pleading guilty himself just to get away from the harsh treatments in prison. Full details of the interview will be available in the Spring issue of <em>Muslim Quarterly</em>. While it may seem you have been betrayed by your fellow brothers, realize that many times people plead guilty in exchange for a lesser sentence. I interviewed one of the brothers who is in prison waiting for his trial and was told that he has thought about pleading guilty himself just to get away from the harsh treatments in prison.

Full details of the interview will be available in the Spring issue of Muslim Quarterly.

]]> By: Muslim Loyalty http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-55649 Muslim Loyalty Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:13:18 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-55649 I recently found out that a family friend works as an employee for CSIS. Is this ok? IS this permissible in Islam? How should we treat this person? What can we do or say to this person? Please advise Your brother I recently found out that a family friend works as an employee for CSIS. Is this ok? IS this permissible in Islam?

How should we treat this person?

What can we do or say to this person?

Please advise

Your brother

]]> By: CopsNeedLawyers http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-50253 CopsNeedLawyers Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:24:56 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-50253 yo whats with the 2 saad's pleading guilty? man i got on a bus for those guys, sent emails, wrote letters, printed flyers and now they admit they were involved? this hurts alot - may Allah save them somehow yo whats with the 2 saad’s pleading guilty? man i got on a bus for those guys, sent emails, wrote letters, printed flyers and now they admit they were involved? this hurts alot – may Allah save them somehow

]]> By: Mubin http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-43713 Mubin Sun, 24 May 2009 17:36:04 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-43713 The youth was given a 2.5 year sentence, which was served by pre-trial custody. He walked out on Friday. SupportT18 you ask how I knew he would be walking. I say to you that remember when I came into trouble for disagreeing with the guilty verdict? I said he should be released. This same criminal court proceeding so many have been deriding and insulting (even among so-called Canadians who attack the judge and courts in disrespect) is the SAME process that has stayed charges against several youth and 2(?) adults. Have faith, I tell you. This same court is telling you very close to what I have been telling you all along - have faith I tell you. You ask how I know these things...if I was to then show you by flying in the air --- would you believe me? Let's wait - more trials are coming so I know what I can say or not say: I am not new to this anymore. ;) And Allah Alone Saves! The youth was given a 2.5 year sentence, which was served by pre-trial custody. He walked out on Friday.

SupportT18 you ask how I knew he would be walking. I say to you that remember when I came into trouble for disagreeing with the guilty verdict? I said he should be released.

This same criminal court proceeding so many have been deriding and insulting (even among so-called Canadians who attack the judge and courts in disrespect) is the SAME process that has stayed charges against several youth and 2(?) adults. Have faith, I tell you.

This same court is telling you very close to what I have been telling you all along – have faith I tell you.

You ask how I know these things…if I was to then show you by flying in the air — would you believe me?

Let’s wait – more trials are coming so I know what I can say or not say: I am not new to this anymore. ;)

And Allah Alone Saves!

]]> By: SupportT18 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-43664 SupportT18 Sat, 23 May 2009 16:27:39 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-43664 hey mubin the youth is out. and the star says the judge quoted what you said about him. i am confused very much - how do you know so much about everything - who else is getting out? that why you did not come to court yesterday? you know he was walking? HOW? hey mubin the youth is out. and the star says the judge quoted what you said about him. i am confused very much – how do you know so much about everything – who else is getting out? that why you did not come to court yesterday? you know he was walking? HOW?

]]> By: SupportT18 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-42915 SupportT18 Wed, 13 May 2009 01:41:00 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-42915 hey mubin do not forget an adult trial is still coming - you may have won this round... hey mubin do not forget an adult trial is still coming – you may have won this round…

]]> By: Mubin Shaikh http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-42709 Mubin Shaikh Fri, 08 May 2009 01:59:43 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-42709 Just to show you how EXACT I am - if you go all the way to the earlier posts, you will see how I have addressed this issue already from the beginning. I understand how you must feel: so many invested so much in the entrapment myth, in the conspiracy myth and now ALL of you have to admit that you were WAAAAAY off. However, what is TRULY mind boggling is how a guy who has NO facts, NO proof whatsoever, NO knowledge of court proceedings...is gonna tell the COURT (that DOES have the facts, DOES have the proof and PROVIDES the knowledge that results from proceedings) what the reality of the situation is! Dude - can you really be THAT delusional? Everybody tells me not to waste my time arguing with people like you who are SO blinded by their myth - but I am really trying to understand how you can STILL repeat the very same things you've been saying for months now ESPECIALLY after one guilty verdict, one no-entrapment ruling and one guilty plea from one of the participants in the bomb plot. What does it take I wonder? Seriously. Just to show you how EXACT I am – if you go all the way to the earlier posts, you will see how I have addressed this issue already from the beginning. I understand how you must feel: so many invested so much in the entrapment myth, in the conspiracy myth and now ALL of you have to admit that you were WAAAAAY off.

However, what is TRULY mind boggling is how a guy who has NO facts, NO proof whatsoever, NO knowledge of court proceedings…is gonna tell the COURT (that DOES have the facts, DOES have the proof and PROVIDES the knowledge that results from proceedings) what the reality of the situation is!

Dude – can you really be THAT delusional? Everybody tells me not to waste my time arguing with people like you who are SO blinded by their myth – but I am really trying to understand how you can STILL repeat the very same things you’ve been saying for months now ESPECIALLY after one guilty verdict, one no-entrapment ruling and one guilty plea from one of the participants in the bomb plot.

What does it take I wonder? Seriously.

]]> By: Amad http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-42701 Amad Thu, 07 May 2009 23:27:50 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2008/03/25/unfair-dealing-the-toronto-homegrown-terror-threat/#comment-42701 khawarij, salafi, throw in a little wahhabi and takfiri, it would seem you're ready to work for Quilliam! When people start resorting to stupid labels, without any regard to what the labels actually mean, then it is obvious they have no real argument, except to move people's opinions with labels. I don't have a particularly rich and historic label for you, except one, "loser". I am very glad that about your admission that you provide professional entrapment service. That is what we call putting one's foot in one's mouth. Must be the sellout in you. khawarij, salafi, throw in a little wahhabi and takfiri, it would seem you’re ready to work for Quilliam!

When people start resorting to stupid labels, without any regard to what the labels actually mean, then it is obvious they have no real argument, except to move people’s opinions with labels. I don’t have a particularly rich and historic label for you, except one, “loser”.

I am very glad that about your admission that you provide professional entrapment service. That is what we call putting one’s foot in one’s mouth.

Must be the sellout in you.

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