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		<title>By: jdawg</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/02/19/welcome-kosova/#comment-14580</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, someone on this thread mentioned combining Kosovo(a) with Bosnia, which probably wouldn&#039;t be a bad idea, but I dont think the Albanian government would go for it, and neither would B&amp;H seeing as how there is also a large serb population there, unless the serb state within B&amp;H was given to serbia in exchange, which again would most likely never happen.  The course of history has been put into motion and I think it&#039;s best to leave the rest to the puppet masters (Bush, Putin and the rest of the gang)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, someone on this thread mentioned combining Kosovo(a) with Bosnia, which probably wouldn&#8217;t be a bad idea, but I dont think the Albanian government would go for it, and neither would B&amp;H seeing as how there is also a large serb population there, unless the serb state within B&amp;H was given to serbia in exchange, which again would most likely never happen.  The course of history has been put into motion and I think it&#8217;s best to leave the rest to the puppet masters (Bush, Putin and the rest of the gang)</p>
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		<title>By: jdawg</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/02/19/welcome-kosova/#comment-14578</link>
		<dc:creator>jdawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the main problem with airlifting and &quot;country swapping&quot; would be that you&#039;d be displacing millions of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the main problem with airlifting and &#8220;country swapping&#8221; would be that you&#8217;d be displacing millions of people.</p>
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		<title>By: whatever</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/02/19/welcome-kosova/#comment-14572</link>
		<dc:creator>whatever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This idea is really beginning to gain momentum with me.

Why not take the Muslim people of Kosova and Albania and airlift them to Israel.  The European Israelis could be airlifted to the prime European soil of Albania which would be properly in Europe - this would help them get back their EU membership cravings and give them a feeling of getting back to their European roots.

It would get rid of all the problems, turmoil, and conflicts caused by European Israelis, and at the same time make the Xenophobic Serbs and Russians happy.

The Islamophobic, pro-Israel Europeans would be happy as they would get their buddy to be closer to them and get rid of a &quot;Muslim&quot; country in Europe.  I am really surprised that Russia is not pushing this idea.

What&#039;s wrong with the idea.  I would like a Centre for Strategic Studies &quot;of some kind&quot; to take up this idea and lobby the would be powers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This idea is really beginning to gain momentum with me.</p>
<p>Why not take the Muslim people of Kosova and Albania and airlift them to Israel.  The European Israelis could be airlifted to the prime European soil of Albania which would be properly in Europe &#8211; this would help them get back their EU membership cravings and give them a feeling of getting back to their European roots.</p>
<p>It would get rid of all the problems, turmoil, and conflicts caused by European Israelis, and at the same time make the Xenophobic Serbs and Russians happy.</p>
<p>The Islamophobic, pro-Israel Europeans would be happy as they would get their buddy to be closer to them and get rid of a &#8220;Muslim&#8221; country in Europe.  I am really surprised that Russia is not pushing this idea.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s wrong with the idea.  I would like a Centre for Strategic Studies &#8220;of some kind&#8221; to take up this idea and lobby the would be powers.</p>
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		<title>By: Manas</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/02/19/welcome-kosova/#comment-14564</link>
		<dc:creator>Manas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaam

I am not very sure about realities on ground, but is there any chance that they may merge with Albania and Bosnia?</description>
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<p>I am not very sure about realities on ground, but is there any chance that they may merge with Albania and Bosnia?</p>
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		<title>By: jdawg</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/02/19/welcome-kosova/#comment-14547</link>
		<dc:creator>jdawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And we use &quot;Kosovo&quot; but the name changes depending on which case is being used in Serbo-Croatian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And we use &#8220;Kosovo&#8221; but the name changes depending on which case is being used in Serbo-Croatian</p>
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		<title>By: jdawg</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/02/19/welcome-kosova/#comment-14546</link>
		<dc:creator>jdawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem, this is not hate mongering, it&#039;s a forum to express opinions and I hate when name-calling enters the fray.  It&#039;s hard to disconnect completely with some issues emotionally, but let&#039;s try people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem, this is not hate mongering, it&#8217;s a forum to express opinions and I hate when name-calling enters the fray.  It&#8217;s hard to disconnect completely with some issues emotionally, but let&#8217;s try people.</p>
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		<title>By: Amad</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/02/19/welcome-kosova/#comment-14538</link>
		<dc:creator>Amad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jdawg, thank for your measured response.

I don&#039;t think we can use the incident-rate since &#039;99 as a measure for harmony, because Kosova has been under UN protection. Who knows what would have happened if it was free for all?

I agree though, that considering the precedences that US has been setting in foreign affairs, there is much to be suspicious of. And I also agree that the US uses the UN&#039;s mandate when it wants, and ignores it when it doesn&#039;t.  Like for instance, the  US&#039;s blind-eye towards outstanding resolutions against Israel (to withdraw from occupied territories). 

But as Muslims, we will take what we can get! After all, we haven&#039;t been getting much of a break on other probably worse state offenders... Chechnya, Kashmir, Palestine, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jdawg, thank for your measured response.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we can use the incident-rate since &#8217;99 as a measure for harmony, because Kosova has been under UN protection. Who knows what would have happened if it was free for all?</p>
<p>I agree though, that considering the precedences that US has been setting in foreign affairs, there is much to be suspicious of. And I also agree that the US uses the UN&#8217;s mandate when it wants, and ignores it when it doesn&#8217;t.  Like for instance, the  US&#8217;s blind-eye towards outstanding resolutions against Israel (to withdraw from occupied territories). </p>
<p>But as Muslims, we will take what we can get! After all, we haven&#8217;t been getting much of a break on other probably worse state offenders&#8230; Chechnya, Kashmir, Palestine, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: jdawg</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/02/19/welcome-kosova/#comment-14537</link>
		<dc:creator>jdawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethnic assumptions aside, I think I&#039;ll refer to the &quot;nation&quot; the same way I see it spelled in Western articles, you know the West right?  That magical place that recognized Kosovo&#039;s indepednance illegally.  And to lay any questions to rest, I am of Canadian decent living in France, with ties to Croatia and Serbia and I know a handful of Albanians, none of whom I find offensive by the way.  We all agree that the West&#039;s intervention in the matter is totally unnecessary and illegal, and adding fire to an already volatile situation.  And while I couldn&#039;t care less whether or not Kosovo-and-Metohija remain a part of Serbia, I am against the US meddling and the precedent it sets.  

It&#039;s true that Serbs in Serbia don&#039;t like Albanians for the most part, but there haven&#039;t been any incidences since &#039;99 so how can you assumed that it would be &quot;a recipe for disaster&quot;?  If Serbs were smart (and we know they&#039;re not the brightest, re: riots in Belgrad this week), they would set up good relations with the Kosovo government, which is something they&#039;ve been trying to do for some time, but in efforts to keep Kosovo within Serbia.  It appears it&#039;s not going to happen, my beef is the legality of the issue, and just remember folks, the US helped put Saddam into power in Iraq back in the day and we all know how that turned out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethnic assumptions aside, I think I&#8217;ll refer to the &#8220;nation&#8221; the same way I see it spelled in Western articles, you know the West right?  That magical place that recognized Kosovo&#8217;s indepednance illegally.  And to lay any questions to rest, I am of Canadian decent living in France, with ties to Croatia and Serbia and I know a handful of Albanians, none of whom I find offensive by the way.  We all agree that the West&#8217;s intervention in the matter is totally unnecessary and illegal, and adding fire to an already volatile situation.  And while I couldn&#8217;t care less whether or not Kosovo-and-Metohija remain a part of Serbia, I am against the US meddling and the precedent it sets.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that Serbs in Serbia don&#8217;t like Albanians for the most part, but there haven&#8217;t been any incidences since &#8217;99 so how can you assumed that it would be &#8220;a recipe for disaster&#8221;?  If Serbs were smart (and we know they&#8217;re not the brightest, re: riots in Belgrad this week), they would set up good relations with the Kosovo government, which is something they&#8217;ve been trying to do for some time, but in efforts to keep Kosovo within Serbia.  It appears it&#8217;s not going to happen, my beef is the legality of the issue, and just remember folks, the US helped put Saddam into power in Iraq back in the day and we all know how that turned out.</p>
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		<title>By: Amad</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/02/19/welcome-kosova/#comment-14534</link>
		<dc:creator>Amad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jdawg, I think it would be respectful to pronounce a nation&#039;s name by how the locals like it pronounced, esp. if they find the other pronunciation offensive?

I don&#039;t think that Kosova suddenly became Albanian dominated because Albanians moved there. I imagine that they have been there for generations. 

Civil war may be technically correct, but when there is a government-sponsored ethnic-cleansing, then that civil war becomes kind of lopsided. At that point, it is a war of aggression against a helpless minority.

If the information on the killing fields of Kosova and before that Bosnia, were simply based on a couple of accounts, I could accept that as more American propaganda. But I think the facts make it clear that this was definitely ethnic-cleansing. Obviously Serbs don&#039;t like Albanians, and I get that even in your few comments. So, keeping Kosova under Serb control would be a recipe for disastor and more killings.

If Serbs were smart, they&#039;d accept the reality of things, set up good relations with the Kosova government, and move on. There is a lot more gained in moving on than to bemoan  about what&#039;s already done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jdawg, I think it would be respectful to pronounce a nation&#8217;s name by how the locals like it pronounced, esp. if they find the other pronunciation offensive?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that Kosova suddenly became Albanian dominated because Albanians moved there. I imagine that they have been there for generations. </p>
<p>Civil war may be technically correct, but when there is a government-sponsored ethnic-cleansing, then that civil war becomes kind of lopsided. At that point, it is a war of aggression against a helpless minority.</p>
<p>If the information on the killing fields of Kosova and before that Bosnia, were simply based on a couple of accounts, I could accept that as more American propaganda. But I think the facts make it clear that this was definitely ethnic-cleansing. Obviously Serbs don&#8217;t like Albanians, and I get that even in your few comments. So, keeping Kosova under Serb control would be a recipe for disastor and more killings.</p>
<p>If Serbs were smart, they&#8217;d accept the reality of things, set up good relations with the Kosova government, and move on. There is a lot more gained in moving on than to bemoan  about what&#8217;s already done.</p>
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		<title>By: jdawg</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2008/02/19/welcome-kosova/#comment-14531</link>
		<dc:creator>jdawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And depending on which ethnicity you are, it&#039;s pronounced &quot;Kosovo&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And depending on which ethnicity you are, it&#8217;s pronounced &#8220;Kosovo&#8221;</p>
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