Orthodox Jews Opposed to Zionism
On Nov. 27, 2007, in Annapolis, MD, Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, a spokesman for the Neturei Karta International, ripped into Zionism. He blasted the Zionists for its supposed “fearmongering.” He also accused the Zionists of “beating” Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem. His remarks were made outside the U.S. Naval Academy, on Randall Street, near Gate I, close to the waterfront, in this port city. A Middle East “Peace” conference was being held inside the Naval Academy.
For background on Neturei Karta International, see: http://www.nkusa.org / and on the “Middle East Peace Conference,” check out this analysis:http://www.counterpunch.org/christison11262007.html.
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In fairness, this organization is widely regarded by most Jews as a radical fringe group. Just like it’s not fair for Jews to hold this guy up as an example of a “moderate” Muslim, I don’t think it’s necessarily fair for Muslims to point to the Neturei Karta as an example of how Jews should think.
“I don’t think it’s necessarily fair for Muslims to point to the Neturei Karta as an example of how Jews should think.”
I respectfully disagree. When some people generalize about Muslims, they use examples of people who do not practice Islam or what the Qur’an teaches. This group of Jews, though maybe not the majority, tells us what the religion of Judaism teaches about Israel/its statehood.
Thus, I think it’s fair because we are clarifying this is from the religious sense. Sure, most Jews are not of this leaning, but that is the ENTIRE point: the controversy of Israel according to Jews who are pro-Israel is NOT about religion; it’s about politics!
Allah knows best.
Assalamualaikum
There seems to be some (I wouldn’t say a lot) of dissent amongst the Jews about Zionism.
I just read a quote by Noam Chomsky in an article on UmmahPulse.com about zionism and The Holocaust - it was criticising the way zionists are trying to link anti-semitism (and holocaust denial) to people who are anti-zionist - it was heartening to see that he found that link tenuous and wrong.
I will include the link below - have a look, it was a pretty good article.
http://ummahpulse.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=311&Itemid=37
Asalaamu alaikum. I agree with Sabir that it’s unproductive and probably misleading to hold up a very tiny fringe group such as the Neturei Karta as representing the “true” Jewish religious belief about Israel. We wouldn’t want the same done to us, especially if the example is a tiny fringe group that claims (partly through their bogus “ijtihad”) to speak the hidden truth about Islam.
It should be pointed out that it has traditionally been the opinion of all Orthodox rabbis that it isn’t allowed to establish a Jewish state in Israel. It is only in the last 70 or so years that some Orthodox groups have been trying to get around this issue by claiming that the state isn’t Jewish per se, it is secular.
It was not my intent to present this as an example of the Jewish majority, or even of most Orthodox Jews.
People however do not realize that there is a considerable number of Jews who oppose the Zionist movement.
Zionists are quick to label any such Jews as “self-hating Jews” to marginalize them.
Finally, some of the points that he makes are interesting, such as his claim that Orthodox Jews take exceptions from military service in Israel and that pre-1948, Jews in Palestine lived in peace with their Muslim neighbors.
Most Jews, at least the Orthodox ones, consider the N.K. to be made up of stark raving lunatics, rather than “radical fringe” Jews.
What they believe, in a nutshell, is that the state of Israel is not supposed to exist BEFORE THE MESSIAH RETURNS. It is not that they are opposed to Israel as a concept, they just feel that the timing is all wrong.