What’s sad is somehow a crazed man who murder’s is daughters is somehow a representative of Islam.

When exactly did this psychologically disturbed murderer get voted to have his actions represent over a 1 billion Muslims?

Listening to the recording, I can’t help but wonder if this guy was beating the drum and telling all the minorities he knew that white people weren’t racist murderers after James Byrd Jr. was dragged behind a pickup to a his death by three white males. I’m sure “Bubba” was on the front lines in that battle.

A new contributor to muslim matters? Welcome!

No doubt this “bubba” character is in need of reform with a baseball bat. I doubt inbred hillbilly butter hogs care about Muslim woman. The only reason this story is receiving this sort of attention is because it involves Muslims. This is the same replay of what happened in Canada with the murder of 16 year old Aqsa Pervez. The media reported that her father killed her b/c she wouldn’t wear hijab. Turns out her older sisters don’t wear it either, but did the media report that? They’re going to build this up to ban hijab and put the life of sisters in danger by further promoting the “poor and oppressed” stereotype.
Sorry but I’m not playing their game, neither should the Muslims scramble like reactionaries every time something beyond our control happens. No need to lockstep to “assure” those who mean us no good. Wait for the facts to be presented in a court of law instead of submitting to this lynch mob mentality.
Based on my keen powers of observation, knowledge and political impartiality(come on, just play along), I declare this an honor crime, buffet and everything. I blame his race, religion for this, or this is just an example of domestic violence? Now imagine if the killer here was a Muslim, wonder how the coverage would be then. Anybody else, care to take a STAB at it?
There are no such thing as “honor crimes.” Call it what it is : domestic violence/ crimes of passion and possession. Just because it happens in a different country or culture doesn’t make it exotically endemic. Everyday in this country, woman and children are abused and killed by fathers, boyfriends, husbands etc…how about we start profiling them and call their actions “honor crimes”?
Was Chris Benoit a Muslim? What about the guy in Texas who killed and ate his own girlfriend because she left him? If idiots and narrow minded scum don’t get it, its their problem, not ours.

I don’t completely agree that “honor killing” of daughters or wives are the same kind of crime as your “standard” domestic violence attack or murder. Those are usually perpetrated by an estranged boyfriend or husband. So-called “honor killings” are frequently planned and conducted by several family members, often uncles or brothers along with the father. Whole families have gotten in the act in Germany, Pakistan and Jordan. Domestic violence is almost always committed by the one man, there’s no wider family assistance or approval. You can say it’s pre-Islamic custom all you want, but the fact is that these murders of young women are largely conducted within Muslim communities, with an occasional honor killing done in Hindu or Druze communities. Sorry, Muslim women are the main victims of these sort of killings. Denial that it has anything to do with Islamic culture seems willfully blind, and it won’t help stop the murders.

“Disagree” is using the same old refuted straw man arguments. This is the standard modus operanti of self-proclaimed experts on Islam and Muslims. The reason he wont compare these sort of crimes is because that would destroy the myth that “honor killings” are a Muslim-centric crime.
Get over yourself, its a crime of passion and possession. Is it because you want to paint a minority that already suffers from prejudice in an especially wicked light? Or is it simply a case of incompetence, and that you are incapable of presenting an accurate picture of the violence suffered by women.

Got any sources, Nadia? The brother is guilty is because his sisters were buried according to Muslim custom? Perhaps because the girls were Muslims? Who is this non-Muslim aunt who knows so much about how two teenagers choice of burial?
In fact how many teenagers have their final rites figured out? One conspiracy theory after another. The level of stupidity, misinformation and sheer malice coming from you people is beyond belief.

In Islam, where does religious influence end and cultural normative influence begin?

From the Dallas newspaper this morning it was reported that the father was angry the girls were dating non-Muslims. That seems like religious influence to me.

Although patriarchal dominanace is normative in almost all societies, dominance over spouse and children, there is nothing specific religiously that calls out for or condones the father’s behavior. This could be considered cultural I guess.

It is neither cultural nor religious based. It is both, as the two are intertwined, unless you believe that the line between Islam and cultural tradition in clear.

eeh, again this honour killing stuff..but, if we would draw a line.. i found a website saying that girls were killed because of dating non-moslims.. looks ugly.

again.. you are repeating that honours killings are so common, can you give me a link of “honour killing” father-daughters commited in the West by some Christian of Arabic descent? I think if it is really cultural, there would be some clue..
We are too swift to allow violence against women.. do you remember this awful article in Yemen Times ..
http://yementimes.com/article.shtml?i=1117&p=community&a=6
especially i dislike this part of the article
*Fathers are responsible for their daughters’ behavior, but human rights organizations deny this too. Brothers also should take action regarding their sisters’ behavior, especially if their parents are too old or dead. If a daughter or sister makes a mistake – especially a moral one – that negatively affects the entire family and its reputation, what’s the solution by such organizations?
*
what for crap it is? how can a moslem write such thing? according to this author, women are not individualities, but mere problematic parts of families.. and in case of making a mistake – even alleged one – brothers and fathers are not standing with their sisters/daughers, but willingly hearing all the possible gossips.. even malevolous one.. and beating and even killing their womenfolk.. there is somethink sick in the whole ummah… really really sick..
because – let´s take this Dallas story – letś imagine the father with “Yemen Times article ” mindset, hearing mere gossips about probably date of one of his daughters with a non muslim.. and that may be outcome..
killing innocents for mere gossips..
awful
Esmaat

Don’t patronize me, Nadia. You don’t give a rat’s behind about these girls. I know how this crocodile tear routine works. I asked you for sources, not hearsay or unnamed websites. And what magical “experience” gives you ability to discern the religion of these girls?
What are you, some sort of amateur detective? Don’t be disingenuous and insult the intelligence of others by claiming they were killed because “they wanted to be American.” Clearly you live in a cartoon like reality. I wonder how “American” that Texan who just killed and ate his girlfirend was(she left him for another man), oh but I forget he isn’t Muslim so his religion and race is irrelevant.
You people are absolute scum, using the murder of 2 girls to promote your own divisive anti-Muslim agenda.

^^ I’m speculating here but it might be because it’s soo ingrained in him to remember his please and thank yous
– as it is now ingrained that Muslims are a threat to his American identity and culture.

I imagine Hamada is right in positing the need for Muslims to supplant Islamophobic feelings for those in favour of Muslims, tolerance, or a diverse America.

The very fact that Bubba calls for Muslims to denounce the alleged honour killing might indicate how far-removed Bubba is from interaction with mainstream Muslims – which might mean local Muslims need to step-up their da’wah efforts or non-Muslims are purposefully isolate themselves from Muslim (almost a catch-22).

I see DrM makes friends and allies here at this valuable site with consistent irregularity as well.

Wow, so Im a bit late, but I’d like to add this.

I knew Amina and Sarah personally. We went to a MUSLIM private school in Ft Worth for 2 years before everyone split up as the school stops at the 8th grade, though we still chatted here and there. Sub7anAllah, I actually saw them at a park about 3 months before this happened.
I was making wudu’ when I got a text about their deaths.
La hawla wa la quwwata illa billaah. Innaa lillaahi wa innaa ilayhi raaji3oon.
The story is way more complex than “dating non-Muslim boys”. And of course her non-Muslim family would like to blame it on Islam and the Arab father, undoubtedly giving the media a field day. Only Allaah knows what happened. This doesn’t mean what the father did was right. Astaghfirullaah, he had no right to pass judgement upon them, only Allaah has that right.
Like I said, only bits and pieces of information were leaked to the media and very few people know all the events that led to his meltdown. That being said, no one will ever know the precise story. I’ll leave it at that.