Sounds good in principle, but…
Is it me or is the only convert speaking at this thing Imam Siraj and Ihsan Bagby?
Not to bring a negative tone, but with the number of converts out there, you would imagine there would be a larger number that could speak on “empowerment”.

Why you’d want a Qadari (Ally) giving you his experiences in da’wah baffles me.

Amad,
Instead of writing of Rasheed’s comments, perhaps you should talk to Yasir Qadhi about the issue and see if this is true?
Confirm a report before you affirm or deny it.

Rasheed…whatever. Qadari, suroori, qutubee, etc., etc. While you guys are busy creating new labels to attach to new people, the dawah goes on.

New? The Qadariyyah are one of the first sects to break away from the People of Sunnah. Their heresy is so bad that many imams said that if they say that Allah does not know, that you cannot even pray behind them.

Btw, of course the da’wah goes on. As if to imply that I’m not involved in da’wah of any sort … heh. Funny.

/ Rasheed – lets grant that you’re correct about the issue:

what do you propose the next step to be? instead of being “baffled” how about being proactive? why not write to them (politely) explaining the situation and soliciting feedback? if its done properly maybe next time a conference is organized they won’t invite a speaker with such affiliations.

i think amads point is posts like the one above do not serve any constructive purpose at all. work with your brethren to better the ummah instead of sitting around criticizing and labelling people like you are better than them. it doesnt accomplish anything.

May Allah reward and bless you, Omar, for the advice. I’ll keep it in mind.

I find it funny though how there’s always this assumption that when one criticizes another that the one criticizing thinks he’s better than the one criticized, as if what’s in one’s heart is open for all and sundry to see.

Rather, I am asking you to contemplate over this question and any answers that you come up with.

Sure, brother. You’re right. We’re all one happy family of Muslims, regardless of whatever deviations we may have. Even if one says that Allah doesn’t know certain aspects and outcomes of the future, despite being spoken to and advised by the brothers like Bilal Philips and many others, we still can’t call him a Qadari.

said this somewhere else, and I find it apt to repeat it: “We will be more effective dai’s when we stop making our whole dawah about what is wrong with others’ dawah”

True, very true. However, even SP doesn’t make their “whole dawah about what is wrong with others’ dawah.” An unnecessarily large part of it, perhaps. But not whole.

This is indeed a serious matter as denying Allah’s predestiny of events is a major deviation, and denying His Pre-Knowledge of them amounts to Kufr.

I know that some of us have had negative experiences in the past with the overzealous way in which many adherents of the Salafi Da’wah have dealt those whom they disagree, but this should not cause us to forget that serious deviancies do exist, and that dealing with them, particularly when it comes to the most delicate matters of faith and disbelief such as this one, is a very serious matter.

Musa,

I am glad to hear that the meeting went well. I’d like to hear a synopsis of what each speaker spoke on, even if just a paragraph, or a line or two.

Perhaps you can do that in another post or right here in the comments.