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	<title>Comments on: Misogynistic Women: Reinforcing Gender Injustice</title>
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		<title>By: Peace</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/11/07/misogynistic-women-reinforcing-gender-injustice/#comment-100768</link>
		<dc:creator>Peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salam all,
  
   I recall perusing through a book about the model Muslim husband at an Islamic bookstore and much to my dismay, found that the book was teaching husbands to kindly treat their wives because woman are born from a crooked rib and thus are obstinate, deficient, irrational, rash, etc and thus it is not their fault and should be dealt with patiently. 

Why is it that many back-home Muslims and some western Muslims are so eager to point out the stereotypical flaws of woman but gloss over men? Sometimes, I feel like people have a tendency to emphasize the more emotional aspect of a woman and use that as a basis for deeming them rash, irrational, obstinate, etc. 

Yes, woman are more emotional but that doesn&#039;t mean that it is to their detriment and at the expense of rational behavior. Both men and woman are guilty of irrational behavior. Though emotion may cause some woman to be irrational, ego, arrogance, and stubbornness can also cause men to be irrational.

A man&#039;s position as &quot;head&quot; of household no way predicates the notion that men are more rational and can make better decisions. Rather, allowing the man to be the &quot;head&quot; of the household only conforms to the disposition of both the male and female. A man needs to feel needed by his wife and feel that she has a certain level of respect for him. He also wants to be obeyed. Regardless of whether this is fair is besides the point. Since this is generally the disposition of a man, and since marital discord and disharmony would result if each person weren&#039;t getting what they need in a relationship, men are allowed to be &quot;head&quot; of the household, but not because they are inherently rational and wise. A woman&#039;s disposition and needs in a relationship are slightly different. More than feeling needed, they need to be shown affection, attention, and love. Thus, a male head of the house, because of his ego, is usually what is needed to secure a happy home. However, head does not mean dictator. Shura is essential in decision-making. 

So I guess, generally, woman can&#039;t assume the position of &quot;head&quot; of household due to the male ego. However, I wonder if boys can be conditioned to think more along the lines of equal-partnership. Would they still feel the need to dominate? Or is it so much ingrained in their nature?

I am curious how feminist husbands who have equal-partnerships with their wives fare? Are the husbands discontented? Do the wives lose respect for their husband? Or are they truly happy but a rare couple?

Comments greatly appreciated!

Wasalaam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salam all,</p>
<p>   I recall perusing through a book about the model Muslim husband at an Islamic bookstore and much to my dismay, found that the book was teaching husbands to kindly treat their wives because woman are born from a crooked rib and thus are obstinate, deficient, irrational, rash, etc and thus it is not their fault and should be dealt with patiently. </p>
<p>Why is it that many back-home Muslims and some western Muslims are so eager to point out the stereotypical flaws of woman but gloss over men? Sometimes, I feel like people have a tendency to emphasize the more emotional aspect of a woman and use that as a basis for deeming them rash, irrational, obstinate, etc. </p>
<p>Yes, woman are more emotional but that doesn&#8217;t mean that it is to their detriment and at the expense of rational behavior. Both men and woman are guilty of irrational behavior. Though emotion may cause some woman to be irrational, ego, arrogance, and stubbornness can also cause men to be irrational.</p>
<p>A man&#8217;s position as &#8220;head&#8221; of household no way predicates the notion that men are more rational and can make better decisions. Rather, allowing the man to be the &#8220;head&#8221; of the household only conforms to the disposition of both the male and female. A man needs to feel needed by his wife and feel that she has a certain level of respect for him. He also wants to be obeyed. Regardless of whether this is fair is besides the point. Since this is generally the disposition of a man, and since marital discord and disharmony would result if each person weren&#8217;t getting what they need in a relationship, men are allowed to be &#8220;head&#8221; of the household, but not because they are inherently rational and wise. A woman&#8217;s disposition and needs in a relationship are slightly different. More than feeling needed, they need to be shown affection, attention, and love. Thus, a male head of the house, because of his ego, is usually what is needed to secure a happy home. However, head does not mean dictator. Shura is essential in decision-making. </p>
<p>So I guess, generally, woman can&#8217;t assume the position of &#8220;head&#8221; of household due to the male ego. However, I wonder if boys can be conditioned to think more along the lines of equal-partnership. Would they still feel the need to dominate? Or is it so much ingrained in their nature?</p>
<p>I am curious how feminist husbands who have equal-partnerships with their wives fare? Are the husbands discontented? Do the wives lose respect for their husband? Or are they truly happy but a rare couple?</p>
<p>Comments greatly appreciated!</p>
<p>Wasalaam</p>
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		<title>By: Peri Fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peri Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 19:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Their loss!  Besides, she should reject anyone who would try to deny her the right to live her life as SHE sees fit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their loss!  Besides, she should reject anyone who would try to deny her the right to live her life as SHE sees fit!</p>
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		<title>By: Peri Fisher</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/11/07/misogynistic-women-reinforcing-gender-injustice/#comment-97941</link>
		<dc:creator>Peri Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 19:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orthodox Jews have something worse than that.  In their morning prayers, men thank god for not being made women!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orthodox Jews have something worse than that.  In their morning prayers, men thank god for not being made women!</p>
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		<title>By: Priya</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/11/07/misogynistic-women-reinforcing-gender-injustice/#comment-92704</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 02:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isn&#039;t it insulting to tell a woman who&#039;s been a wife and mother her whole life that choosing marriage and motherhood (&quot;popping out babies&quot;) is not using her intelligence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isn&#8217;t it insulting to tell a woman who&#8217;s been a wife and mother her whole life that choosing marriage and motherhood (&#8220;popping out babies&#8221;) is not using her intelligence?</p>
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		<title>By: tanya</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/11/07/misogynistic-women-reinforcing-gender-injustice/#comment-73115</link>
		<dc:creator>tanya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 00:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the topic, masha&#039;A! :)

Before I converted to Islam I considered myself a feminist and had to learn to separate the western viewpoint from the Islamic.  And the only way for Muslim women, especially culturally, indoctrinated women, to overcome misogynistic viewpoints is through Islamic knowledge.  That becomes hard however if women are content to keep things as they are.  Fighting cultural tradition is hard to do.

I watched a film a couple weeks ago called &quot;Water&quot; - about Hindu divorced women (and children) in India.  According to Hindu scripture, divorced women are ostracized and kept together in closed quarters.  The rest of the population make sure not to touch the divorced women b/c they believe some sort of evil will befall them.  And not to mention divorced women&lt;em&gt; can not&lt;/em&gt;    remarry; they are left to die alone.  
Therefore, this practice, even today, still applies.  You may have those who believe the practice isn&#039;t right, but overcoming that sort of mindset and creating change is hard.

The same goes for Muslim women.  Unfortunately, cultural belief/practice supersedes the religious, thus creating weakness w/ in the ummah.  Activism is great, but Islamically, change must begin w/ the home b/c we are held accountable for ourselves and our family, and then the community.  Who did the sahaba practice dawah on first?  There family, and then from there Islam spread to the outer community.

Lastly, I love the idea of Islamic feminism b/c so much oppression still exists for Muslim women, and cultural practices have a lot to do w/ that.  Muslim women, single and married, need to also know that marriage isn&#039;t just about pleasing the man either.  We hear too much of that and not enough about how the husbands should work on pleasing the wife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the topic, masha&#8217;A! :)</p>
<p>Before I converted to Islam I considered myself a feminist and had to learn to separate the western viewpoint from the Islamic.  And the only way for Muslim women, especially culturally, indoctrinated women, to overcome misogynistic viewpoints is through Islamic knowledge.  That becomes hard however if women are content to keep things as they are.  Fighting cultural tradition is hard to do.</p>
<p>I watched a film a couple weeks ago called &#8220;Water&#8221; &#8211; about Hindu divorced women (and children) in India.  According to Hindu scripture, divorced women are ostracized and kept together in closed quarters.  The rest of the population make sure not to touch the divorced women b/c they believe some sort of evil will befall them.  And not to mention divorced women<em> can not</em>    remarry; they are left to die alone.<br />
Therefore, this practice, even today, still applies.  You may have those who believe the practice isn&#8217;t right, but overcoming that sort of mindset and creating change is hard.</p>
<p>The same goes for Muslim women.  Unfortunately, cultural belief/practice supersedes the religious, thus creating weakness w/ in the ummah.  Activism is great, but Islamically, change must begin w/ the home b/c we are held accountable for ourselves and our family, and then the community.  Who did the sahaba practice dawah on first?  There family, and then from there Islam spread to the outer community.</p>
<p>Lastly, I love the idea of Islamic feminism b/c so much oppression still exists for Muslim women, and cultural practices have a lot to do w/ that.  Muslim women, single and married, need to also know that marriage isn&#8217;t just about pleasing the man either.  We hear too much of that and not enough about how the husbands should work on pleasing the wife.</p>
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		<title>By: Hala</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/11/07/misogynistic-women-reinforcing-gender-injustice/#comment-59776</link>
		<dc:creator>Hala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think the topic turned into what muslim men want in their wives instead of women who look down upon themselves, i absolutely hate it when women tell me that just because im a woman ill end up a mans property or slave or servant i.e i have an auntie who for an educated person academicaly is the biggest woman hater ive ever met, even though she works herself because shes not married right now she keeps telling me that if i dont learn to cook and be a servant for my husband theres something wrong with my womaness i do plan to learn how to cook, because like wheres the fairy tale guy who CAN cook, and to save myself from starvation, after leaving mammas house, so thats not the problem the poroblem is she beleives that ill be my husbands maid my job is to do as he says i have no opinions etc that is not a marriage thats like prisoner and prison guard or something, i also had a woman tell me the only reason women should be educated is so that they can teach what they learnt to their sons and remain at home stupid and talking about what to make for dinner tonight aagh
ok salaamz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the topic turned into what muslim men want in their wives instead of women who look down upon themselves, i absolutely hate it when women tell me that just because im a woman ill end up a mans property or slave or servant i.e i have an auntie who for an educated person academicaly is the biggest woman hater ive ever met, even though she works herself because shes not married right now she keeps telling me that if i dont learn to cook and be a servant for my husband theres something wrong with my womaness i do plan to learn how to cook, because like wheres the fairy tale guy who CAN cook, and to save myself from starvation, after leaving mammas house, so thats not the problem the poroblem is she beleives that ill be my husbands maid my job is to do as he says i have no opinions etc that is not a marriage thats like prisoner and prison guard or something, i also had a woman tell me the only reason women should be educated is so that they can teach what they learnt to their sons and remain at home stupid and talking about what to make for dinner tonight aagh<br />
ok salaamz</p>
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		<title>By: Hala</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/11/07/misogynistic-women-reinforcing-gender-injustice/#comment-59775</link>
		<dc:creator>Hala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i keep noticing that when men and women discuss these topics especially unmarried men and women they come out sounding like they are about to wage war on eachother, i dont think you should say  &quot;i wont marry from the east&quot; or &quot;west&quot;, because think about it , unless your being forced into marriage or something whoeevr you marry there is something that attracted you to to them, you have a love for them and want to stay with them sa7?, youll endure as much as you can from little things like watching programmes you hate to bigger things, therefore attitudes to subjects like these you should be able to discuss and sort out together, i understand muslim men arent the most domestic of men and it doesnt mean that you are being opressed if he didnt wash the tea cup, similarly shes not a wild and manic feminist just because she wants a job, because to tell the truth i did not wake up at 7am for my entire life to just stay at home ofcourse if they told me to sleep all day in the first place i might not have minded :P
salaamz
hala</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i keep noticing that when men and women discuss these topics especially unmarried men and women they come out sounding like they are about to wage war on eachother, i dont think you should say  &#8220;i wont marry from the east&#8221; or &#8220;west&#8221;, because think about it , unless your being forced into marriage or something whoeevr you marry there is something that attracted you to to them, you have a love for them and want to stay with them sa7?, youll endure as much as you can from little things like watching programmes you hate to bigger things, therefore attitudes to subjects like these you should be able to discuss and sort out together, i understand muslim men arent the most domestic of men and it doesnt mean that you are being opressed if he didnt wash the tea cup, similarly shes not a wild and manic feminist just because she wants a job, because to tell the truth i did not wake up at 7am for my entire life to just stay at home ofcourse if they told me to sleep all day in the first place i might not have minded :P<br />
salaamz<br />
hala</p>
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		<title>By: Hala</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/11/07/misogynistic-women-reinforcing-gender-injustice/#comment-59773</link>
		<dc:creator>Hala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hirsii ali isnt a muslim just an embarasment to the world she seeks political fame because she has no life and enjoys insulting the prophet thats why its so disturbing when muslim women happy with their fiath their islam and roles are compared to her when they ask for their islamic rights
salaam
hala</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hirsii ali isnt a muslim just an embarasment to the world she seeks political fame because she has no life and enjoys insulting the prophet thats why its so disturbing when muslim women happy with their fiath their islam and roles are compared to her when they ask for their islamic rights<br />
salaam<br />
hala</p>
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		<title>By: Sediqua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sediqua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 04:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mother is a female misogynist. I am her only daughter. I am not muslim, I am black. In every shape way and form, she devalues me because I am a women, and punishes me for all my accomplishments, and happiness. Its a sad state of affairs..She attempted to pass along her self hatred to my daughter, and this was the last straw.. We no longer speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother is a female misogynist. I am her only daughter. I am not muslim, I am black. In every shape way and form, she devalues me because I am a women, and punishes me for all my accomplishments, and happiness. Its a sad state of affairs..She attempted to pass along her self hatred to my daughter, and this was the last straw.. We no longer speak.</p>
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		<title>By: Bethany GM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bethany GM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 12:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to add that---
you can keep whatever traditions you wish...
If a parent needs to be in the home to nurture the child- then the goal is to
elevate the status of the person who stays home!!!
If we teach our kids to place the same value on both roles, then whoever fulfills these roles should be accorded greater respect than they enjoyed previously.
I don&#039;t know if this is possible, but it should be.
The raising of children and the tending of the hearth is just as (if not more!) important as any job done outside the home.
What we value more is what is messed up.
It isn&#039;t fun to do a hard job that doesn&#039;t earn you the respect you deserve for doing it, I think.
Just my .. extra 2 cents. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to add that&#8212;<br />
you can keep whatever traditions you wish&#8230;<br />
If a parent needs to be in the home to nurture the child- then the goal is to<br />
elevate the status of the person who stays home!!!<br />
If we teach our kids to place the same value on both roles, then whoever fulfills these roles should be accorded greater respect than they enjoyed previously.<br />
I don&#8217;t know if this is possible, but it should be.<br />
The raising of children and the tending of the hearth is just as (if not more!) important as any job done outside the home.<br />
What we value more is what is messed up.<br />
It isn&#8217;t fun to do a hard job that doesn&#8217;t earn you the respect you deserve for doing it, I think.<br />
Just my .. extra 2 cents. ;)</p>
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