Comments on: Understanding the Controversies Regarding Moonsighting http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/ Discourses in the Intellectual Traditions, Political Situation, and Social Ethics of Muslim Life Tue, 22 May 2012 23:57:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Retread: Yasir Qadhi on Understanding the Controversies Regarding Moonsighting | MuslimMatters.org http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-72834 Retread: Yasir Qadhi on Understanding the Controversies Regarding Moonsighting | MuslimMatters.org Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:02:23 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-72834 [...] articles with added material in 2007 and 2008 and also a lecture by Sh. AbdulNasir [...] [...] articles with added material in 2007 and 2008 and also a lecture by Sh. AbdulNasir [...]

]]> By: ISMAEEL MARIKAR http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-59414 ISMAEEL MARIKAR Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:58:26 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-59414 ISLAMIC EVENTS ARE BASED ON A LUNAR CALENDAR..THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON THIS. WE ARE TOLD TO FAST BY SIGHTING THE MOON AND BREAK THE FAST THAT IS END THE MONTH OF RAMADHAN BY SIGHTING THE MOON. THE ORDER IN THE QURAN IS NOT TO PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT AREAS, BUT TO THE UMMAH IN GENERAL AS CLEARLY STATED BY SIDDEEK HASSAN KHAN A GREAT SCHOLAR FROM THE INDIAN SUB-CONTINENT. WE LOOK FOR THE MOON IN OUR LOCALITY AND COUNTRY, THEN CHECK WITH OTHER COUNTRIES AND IF WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF SIGHTINGS, CHECK WITH SAUDI AND MAKE A FINAL DECISION. COMING TO EID AL ADHA. THE EID IS ENTIRELY LINKED WITH THE HAJ.IN FACT THE DAYS ARE REFERRED TO AS "YOUAM UT TARWEEYAH", YOUM UL ARAFAH" AND 'YOUM UN NAHR" AND THE THE THREE DAYS AFTER AS "AYYAMUT THASHREEK" WITH IMPROVED COMMUNICATIONS AND THE OBTAINING OF INFORMATION, VERY QUICKLY, THERE NEED BE NO CONFUSION AS TO OBSERVING THESE EVENTS.. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN DEVIANT GROUPS "HELL BENT" ON CREATING CONFUSION AND THEREBY DISUNITY AMONGST THE MUSLIMS. HIGH TIME WE COME TO OUR SENSES AND ACT ACCORDING TO THE QURAN AND SUNNAH. IS THIS ASKING TOO MUCH ??// ISLAMIC EVENTS ARE BASED ON A LUNAR CALENDAR..THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON THIS.
WE ARE TOLD TO FAST BY SIGHTING THE MOON AND BREAK THE FAST THAT IS END THE MONTH OF RAMADHAN BY SIGHTING THE MOON. THE ORDER IN THE QURAN IS NOT TO PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT AREAS, BUT TO THE UMMAH IN GENERAL AS CLEARLY STATED BY SIDDEEK HASSAN KHAN A GREAT SCHOLAR FROM THE INDIAN SUB-CONTINENT. WE LOOK FOR THE MOON IN OUR LOCALITY AND COUNTRY, THEN CHECK WITH OTHER COUNTRIES AND IF WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF SIGHTINGS, CHECK WITH SAUDI AND MAKE A FINAL DECISION.
COMING TO EID AL ADHA. THE EID IS ENTIRELY LINKED WITH THE HAJ.IN FACT THE DAYS ARE REFERRED TO AS “YOUAM UT TARWEEYAH”, YOUM UL ARAFAH” AND ‘YOUM UN NAHR” AND THE
THE THREE DAYS AFTER AS “AYYAMUT THASHREEK”
WITH IMPROVED COMMUNICATIONS AND THE OBTAINING OF INFORMATION, VERY QUICKLY, THERE NEED BE NO CONFUSION AS TO OBSERVING THESE EVENTS..
THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN DEVIANT GROUPS “HELL BENT” ON CREATING CONFUSION AND THEREBY DISUNITY AMONGST THE MUSLIMS. HIGH TIME WE COME TO OUR SENSES AND ACT ACCORDING TO THE QURAN AND SUNNAH. IS THIS ASKING TOO MUCH ??//

]]> By: Ramadan Seminar - Moonsighting and Taraweeh | MuslimMatters.org http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-26486 Ramadan Seminar - Moonsighting and Taraweeh | MuslimMatters.org Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:17:58 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-26486 [...] Note: The Moonsighting part is based on the papers authored by Hamza Yusuf and Mukhtar Maghraoui [you can download them here]. [...] [...] Note: The Moonsighting part is based on the papers authored by Hamza Yusuf and Mukhtar Maghraoui [you can download them here]. [...]

]]> By: Traveler http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-25226 Traveler Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:36:45 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-25226 JazakumuAllahu khairan for the article. Reminds me of the 3 M&Ms of Shs. YQ & Suhabi Webb talked about in SS. :) Our masjid in Milwaukee, WI will be fasting on Monday, iA. (most probably following ISNA) I think most masjids in USA either follow Saudi Arabia or ISNA, WAllahu A'laam. May Allah grant our ummah Unity, and true guidance. Ameen. JazakumuAllahu khairan for the article.
Reminds me of the 3 M&Ms of Shs. YQ & Suhabi Webb talked about in SS. :)

Our masjid in Milwaukee, WI will be fasting on Monday, iA. (most probably following ISNA)
I think most masjids in USA either follow Saudi Arabia or ISNA, WAllahu A’laam.

May Allah grant our ummah Unity, and true guidance. Ameen.

]]> By: Retread: Understanding the Controversies Regarding Moonsighting | MuslimMatters.org http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-25191 Retread: Understanding the Controversies Regarding Moonsighting | MuslimMatters.org Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:01:00 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-25191 [...] Continue reading the original article here [...] [...] Continue reading the original article here [...]

]]> By: muslimmatters.org » And One Year Ago, MM was Born http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-15331 muslimmatters.org » And One Year Ago, MM was Born Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:05:21 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-15331 [...] and talking about homegrown (what?). 2. Hitting up on controversies around Slavery, Zakat and Moonsighting. 1. Saving everyone’s appetite & taste-buds for Doritos by halalifying [...] [...] and talking about homegrown (what?). 2. Hitting up on controversies around Slavery, Zakat and Moonsighting. 1. Saving everyone’s appetite & taste-buds for Doritos by halalifying [...]

]]> By: ismaeel marikar http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-14479 ismaeel marikar Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:40:34 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-14479 Let us follow the Quran and sunnah according to the understanding of our Salaf. In matters of fiqh, let us follow those who are qualified to do ijthihad. It is not for everyone of us, but for the Imamas of the past and the Ulema of our time Let us follow the Quran and sunnah according to the understanding of our
Salaf. In matters of fiqh, let us follow
those who are qualified to do ijthihad.
It is not for everyone of us, but for the
Imamas of the past and the Ulema of our time

]]> By: ismaeel marikar http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-11482 ismaeel marikar Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:37:47 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-11482 Assalamu alaikum.Day of arafat is 9th dhul hijjah when pilgrims gather at arafat. Fasting is prohibited for pilgrims while it is recommended for others as it is an expiation of sins of two years.The day after arafat, yaum un nahr is the day of stoning and sacrifice in mina and according to both imaam shafi and ahmad it is the day of eid for the others.There is no ambiguity at all Pl. read book Sh.albanis book'Rites of hajj and umrah" Assalamu alaikum.Day of arafat is 9th dhul hijjah when pilgrims gather at arafat. Fasting is prohibited for pilgrims while it is recommended for others as it is an expiation of sins of two years.The day after arafat, yaum un nahr is the day of stoning and sacrifice in mina and according to both imaam shafi and ahmad it is the day of eid for the others.There is no ambiguity at all
Pl. read book Sh.albanis book’Rites of hajj and umrah”

]]> By: Zaheer Hussain http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-11345 Zaheer Hussain Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:20:18 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-11345 Br. Amad, a lot of brothers are trying very hard to link Eidul Adha with Hajj & Hajis. There is no evidence at all that non-Hajis should link or adjust their calendar and events with Hajis. Prophet, Pbuh, never adjusted Madinah calendar when he had enough time to do so. Not a single incidence has been recorded where either the Prophet or the Khalifah fasted or celebrated the Eid "just because Hajis finished their Hajj." It is that simple. Until 50-60 years ago, Saudi Arabia really sighted the moon and all countries around and west of it saw the moon. In all Middle-Eastern countries Eid naturally occured the day after Arafah so people started believing that Eid must follow the Day of Arafah. The problem started when Saudia started announcing totally incredible dates based on some calculations totally unrelated to moon sightings. Just think. Was it possible for the previous generations without the telecommunications to follow the Hajj and fast and celebrate Eid with them? What we have done is we are celebrating the Hajj of our friends and relatives rather than the sacrifices of Prophet Ibrahim. Sadly, I am seeing this in newspaper and magazine articles that this Eid is about Hajis completing their Hajj. It is nice you are fasting on two days and may Allah reward you for that. But Allah does not burden anyone with impossible tasks, and He would not force you to ensure that your fast coincide with Hajis' stay in Arafah. This would have been simply impossible to do a few generations ago. Br. Amad, a lot of brothers are trying very hard to link Eidul Adha with Hajj & Hajis.

There is no evidence at all that non-Hajis should link or adjust their calendar and events with Hajis. Prophet, Pbuh, never adjusted Madinah calendar when he had enough time to do so. Not a single incidence has been recorded where either the Prophet or the Khalifah fasted or celebrated the Eid “just because Hajis finished their Hajj.”

It is that simple. Until 50-60 years ago, Saudi Arabia really sighted the moon and all countries around and west of it saw the moon. In all Middle-Eastern countries Eid naturally occured the day after Arafah so people started believing that Eid must follow the Day of Arafah. The problem started when Saudia started announcing totally incredible dates based on some calculations totally unrelated to moon sightings.

Just think. Was it possible for the previous generations without the telecommunications to follow the Hajj and fast and celebrate Eid with them?

What we have done is we are celebrating the Hajj of our friends and relatives rather than the sacrifices of Prophet Ibrahim. Sadly, I am seeing this in newspaper and magazine articles that this Eid is about Hajis completing their Hajj.

It is nice you are fasting on two days and may Allah reward you for that. But Allah does not burden anyone with impossible tasks, and He would not force you to ensure that your fast coincide with Hajis’ stay in Arafah. This would have been simply impossible to do a few generations ago.

]]> By: Amad http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-11274 Amad Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:05:06 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/12/understanding-the-controversies-regarding-moonsighting/#comment-11274 Br. Zaheer, unfortunately, it is not as simple as you state. For instance, here is an article from Shaykh Waleed: http://www.aussiemuslims.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-15997.html All I can say is that both sides on this issue have solid evidences and opinions. So, like Ramadan, we should follow our local communities and enjoy Eid with them. Personally, I find fasting on the Day of Arafah much more pertinent when it does somewhat correspond to the Day of Arafah... so even if my community prayed 2 days later, I would probably fast both yesterday and Thursday and then do Eid with the community on Friday, even if I believe otherwise (i.e. Eid was today). I think we need to be careful when we paint things in black and white. If it was as simple as you point out, I think the argument wouldn't be as complex and as contentious as it has become. So, advanced Eid Mubarak to you. Br. Zaheer, unfortunately, it is not as simple as you state. For instance, here is an article from Shaykh Waleed:
http://www.aussiemuslims.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-15997.html

All I can say is that both sides on this issue have solid evidences and opinions. So, like Ramadan, we should follow our local communities and enjoy Eid with them.

Personally, I find fasting on the Day of Arafah much more pertinent when it does somewhat correspond to the Day of Arafah… so even if my community prayed 2 days later, I would probably fast both yesterday and Thursday and then do Eid with the community on Friday, even if I believe otherwise (i.e. Eid was today).

I think we need to be careful when we paint things in black and white. If it was as simple as you point out, I think the argument wouldn’t be as complex and as contentious as it has become.

So, advanced Eid Mubarak to you.

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