Hot. Masha’Allah. =P

http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/30/imam-suhaib-webb-joins-al-maghrib-institute/

Oh ok, so he is sufi, and joining supposedly non-sufi Al Maghreb. Nice.

I am sufi too.

Why’d you link to my post restingtraveller?

I apologize for any misunderstandings I’ve caused but he asked why everyone was making such a big deal out of Imam Suhaib joining AlMaghrib and I think your post and comments said it all, wa Allahu ta’ala ‘alam.

restingtraveller – iz all good. sh. Suhaib Webb said he will explain soon enough.

Have you turned your back on your traditional brethren?

Allah says:

“Hold, all of you, onto the rope of Allah and [you are forbidden] to split.”

Thoughts, ideas and answer coming soon.

Source: Kevine Garnett to the Celtics! Suhaib Webb to al-Maghrib!

“I’m loving the new Al-Maghrib more and more”

I don’t see what’s “new” about AlMaghrib. There’s a new instructor, that’s it. AlMaghrib methodology, curriculum, awesome teaching style all stays the same. The only difference I see is that certain individuals will stop making false judgments about AlMaghrib solely because of one individual. But if those same people look back, they’ll see that nothing has changed.

All the accusations against AlMaghrib have always been biased and driven by secretarian reasons. Yet AlMaghrib has ALWAYS been balanced in its approach in all of its classes. Those who don’t understand this probably can’t because they approach the matter with dirty glasses.

Turthofthematter said:

“I’m loving the new Al-Maghrib more and more”

I don’t see what’s “new” about AlMaghrib. There’s a new instructor, that’s it. AlMaghrib methodology, curriculum, awesome teaching style all stays the same. The only difference I see is that certain individuals will stop making false judgments about AlMaghrib solely because of one individual. But if those same people look back, they’ll see that nothing has changed.

All the accusations against AlMaghrib have always been biased and driven by secretarian reasons. Yet AlMaghrib has ALWAYS been balanced in its approach in all of its classes. Those who don’t understand this probably can’t because they approach the matter with dirty glasses.

There is a NEW Al-Maghrib. New Site. 1 teacher gone, 2 new teachers, new classes, some classes EDITED by the teachers to be more open.

Example: LOG in NJ when I took it in 2005 to LOG in NY in 2007. Their were differences when people from the NY class looked at my notes from the NJ.

Al-Maghrib is changing and that’s the truth. Let it Allah do as he wills with it, Allah knows what is best for Al-Maghrib.

No MR, first convert/revert of AlMaghrib was Gyasi McKinzi :)

Gyasi McKenzi, Dr. Ashraf, and forgetting one more are no longer with Al-Maghrib. Most probably it was with mutual consent, and was for logistics factor rather than anything else.

“Example: LOG in NJ when I took it in 2005 to LOG in NY in 2007. Their were differences when people from the NY class looked at my notes from the NJ.”

Class didn’t change that much. Same issues that caused problems to the sufis were still there. Here’s a thought MR, MAYBE AlMaghrib didn’t change, but YOU finally give it an unbiased chance. Is that not possible? Maybe you don’t have the same influences on you now that you had before that allow you to see things for what they are.

It seems as though that the main issue that most people have with AlMaghrib is Shaykh Yasir’s Aqeedah class. I don’t think bringing a new instructor will change the aqeedah class of an organization. Besides, Shaykh Yasir’s class has always given every concept with certain principles and foundations before you reach the “controversial” issues. If one cannot call a spade a spade because of secretarian bias, then it is not the fault of the instructor or the institute for bringing up an academic issue.

From my experience, sufis hardly ever take the aqeedah classes but always easily judge them based on the few peers that come to the classes. I’ve heard so many people make claims about the class that weren’t even taught in the 2 weekends it is taught.

Judge things for what they are and not what they seem to be.

Regardless if Al-Maghrib has changed or not, why people are “afraid” of taking courses. If they hear something that go against what they believe, they can go and ask “their” sheikh that al-maghrib teacher used this argument to prove his point, how do u refute it.

I would not personally mind attending sufi/shia/salafi any class.

[quote]Saying someone commited shirk and promoted the worshipping of awliya is a serious claim – especially to those who consider such a man a wali of Allah. [/quote]

Deobandis consider ‘istighatha’ Kufr. So, it is injustice to put all the blame on salafi/wahhabis/ahle hadis and what have you.

Also, regarding the Aqeedah classes provided by al-maghrib, with the exception of a few details, there’s nothing wrong with it. It is within lines of Athari aqeedah. As for the criticisms by the ‘traditional’ section of Muslims, then this criticism is only a reflection of their own history. The bulk of Ash’aris have always consider the bulk of Hanabilah (Atharis) as being anthropomorphists. Thereby accusing them of Kufr. In fact the accusations of Asha’ris are graver than those of Atharis. Because, I’ve yet to come across an Athari scholar who says Asha’ris have committed kufr when it comes to i’itiqadi issues.

So, let’s just be fair.

Id have to agree with “truthofthematter”. Ive taken perhaps one of the first Al Maghrib classes and have consistently taken classes since then. Although in minor details Al Maghrib has consistently improved itself, there hasnt been a change in the principles and ideals it stands by. The notion of a “new alMaghrib” itself seems to be a sectarian driven statement.

Islamqa.com says under: He is asking about Sufism and the Jamaa’at al-Tableegh

“Praise be to Allaah.

It is important for us to understand, firstly, that the words “Tasawwuf” and “Sufism” are modern terms which refer to something that is not automatically approved of in sharee’ah as the words eemaan (faith), Islam and ihsaan are. Neither is it automatically condemned like the words kufr, fusooq (immorality) and ‘asyaan (disobedience, sin).

In such cases, we need to find out more about what is meant by such words before we can pass comment. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The words al-faqr and al-tasawwuf (i.e., Sufism) may include some things that are loved by Allaah and His Messenger, and these are things that are enjoined even if they are called faqr or tasawwuf, because the Qur’aan and Sunnah indicate that they are mustahabb and that is not altered if they called by other names. That also includes actions of the heart such as repentance and patience. And it may include things that are hated by Allaah and His Messenger, such as some kinds of belief in incarnation and pantheism, or monasticism that has been innovated in Islam, or things that go against sharee’ah and have been innovated, and so on. These things are forbidden no matter what names they are given… And it may include limiting oneself to a certain style of clothing or certain customs, ways of speaking and behaving, in such a way that anyone who goes beyond it is regarded as an outsider, although this is not something that has been stipulated in the Qur’aan or Sunnah; rather it may be something that is permissible or it may be something that is makrooh, and this is a bid’ah that is forbidden. This is not the way of the friends of Allaah (awliya’ Allaah); such things are innovations and misguidance that exists among those who claim to follow the Sufi path. Similarly, among those who claim to be servants of knowledge there are innovations that involve beliefs and words that go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah, using phrases and terminology that have no basis in sharee’ah. Many such things happen among those people.

The wise believer agrees with all people in that in which they are in accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah and obey Allaah and His Messenger, but he does not agree with that in which they go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah and disobey Allaah and His Messenger. He accepts from every group that which was taught by the Messenger… when a person seeks the truth and justice, based on knowledge, he is one of the successful friends of Allaah and His victorious party…

Al-Fataawa, 11/280-290.

But what Shaykh al-Islam said about the view of Sufis depending on their situation is almost too theoretical for our times, when the objectionable matters that he referred to have become part of the path of those who call themselves Sufis nowadays, in addition to the different occasions they celebrate such as the Mawlid, and their exaggeration about their living shaykhs, and their attachment to shrines and graves, where they pray and circumambulate the graves and make vows to them, and other well-known practices of theirs. Because of these matters, the correct approach now is to warn against them with no reservations. This is what was agreed upon by the Standing Committee in their answer to a question about the ruling on the Sufi tareeqahs that exist nowadays. They said:

Usually those that are called Sufis nowadays follow bid’ahs (innovations) that constitute shirk, as well as other kinds of bid’ah, such as when some of them say “Madad ya sayyid (Help, O Master)”, and call upon the qutubs (“holy men”), and recite dhikr in unison using names by Allaah has not called Himself, like saying “Huw, Huw (He, He)” and “Ah, Ah (a contraction of the word ‘Allaah’)”. Whoever reads their books will be aware of many of their innovations that constitute shirk, and other evils. “

“Surely they who divided their religion into parts and became sects, you have no concern with them; their affair is only with Allah, then He will inform them of what they did.” [6:159]

” And hold fast by the covenant of Allah all together and be not disunited, and remember the favor of Allah on you when you were enemies, then He united your hearts so by His favor you became brethren; and you were on the brink of a pit of fire, then He saved you from it, thus does Allah make clear to you His communications that you may follow the right way.” [3:103]

Our mission is bigger than our differences.

We are the people of La ilaha illa Allah muhammad rasul allah.

That is what binds us.
End of story.