Comments on: The RAND Plan in ACTION http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/ Discourses in the Intellectual Traditions, Political Situation, and Social Ethics of Muslim Life Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:17:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: yousuf ahmed deedat http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-43734 yousuf ahmed deedat Mon, 25 May 2009 14:56:24 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-43734 as salaamo alaikum . i am yousuf ahmed deedat the son of late sheikh ahmed deedat RA. want to know and receive new dvds of my late dad? no no e mails . write to me in south africa. its. YOUSUF DEEDAT p.o. box 1778 . verulam . 4340. kzn . republic of south africa . all books and dvds are FREE as salaamo alaikum . i am yousuf ahmed deedat the son of late sheikh ahmed deedat RA. want to know and receive new dvds of my late dad? no no e mails . write to me in south africa. its. YOUSUF DEEDAT p.o. box 1778 . verulam . 4340. kzn . republic of south africa . all books and dvds are FREE

]]> By: muslimmatters.org » Tarek Fatah (and…) Does NOT Represent Me: Muslims 101 for Media http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-12167 muslimmatters.org » Tarek Fatah (and…) Does NOT Represent Me: Muslims 101 for Media Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:31:07 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-12167 [...] much thought, and remembering the spat last time, I decided to withhold listing website names. Readers, most of whom already know the [...] [...] much thought, and remembering the spat last time, I decided to withhold listing website names. Readers, most of whom already know the [...]

]]> By: muslimmatters.org » Homegrown … Musings on the NYPD “Intelligence” Report http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-5516 muslimmatters.org » Homegrown … Musings on the NYPD “Intelligence” Report Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:57:18 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-5516 [...] The RAND Plan in ACTION [...] [...] The RAND Plan in ACTION [...]

]]> By: tal-deen http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-3421 tal-deen Sun, 10 Jun 2007 04:20:08 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-3421 Prophet Muhammad incorages 'sucinctness in speech. I found your warning of tghe Rand Plan in Action confusing and verbose. your points (all 30 or 40 or so of them!) got lost, as I se it. Prophet Muhammad incorages ‘sucinctness in speech. I found your warning of tghe Rand Plan in Action confusing and verbose. your points (all 30 or 40 or so of them!) got lost, as I se it.

]]> By: Shahed Amanullah http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-3408 Shahed Amanullah Sat, 09 Jun 2007 05:58:03 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-3408 Please do not attribute comments on our site to us. We have the following disclaimer after every article: "We try to remove any comments that do not conform to our netiquette guidelines. If any comments remain that are in violation, please let us know. The presence of offending comments does not necessarily reflect the views of the editors of altmuslim." Please do not attribute comments on our site to us. We have the following disclaimer after every article:

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]]> By: Gambino http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-3407 Gambino Sat, 09 Jun 2007 05:32:58 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-3407 salaam aleikum, ahh the irony, after initially giving the benefit of the doubt and joining the site (altMuslim) and then having been banned in short order from this quack site (altMuslim) now the charlatans finally coming out of the closet with their true colors, sympathies, and trying to apologize for progressive sympathies. The best comment on this blog is this one: >Working with DHS huh? How about we also >work with US Special OPs forces? That way, >when they “take out” (assassinate/murder) >a Muslim in some extra-judicial killing…a >“Muslim” would be the one pulling the >trigger. Sounds delicious! akhi, there already is one "pro-regressive" (OmarG), that both DrM and I mopped the floor with numerous times. He was proud of his "service" killing muslims in Iraq (as mentioned on his own blog) and went on defending his true master and lords (the U.S. army) ON altMuslim right thru the gang raping and burning alive of the Iraqi girl in Basra. Of course, this is the "brotherhood" and "pluralism" that all of us must embrace as part and parcel of "progressive" Islam. As for Muqtedar, we were able to use this delicious quote from him for 2 jum'ah khutbahs in our area: "It is time that we acknowledge that the freedoms we enjoy in the US are more desirable to us than superficial solidarity with the Muslim World." --Muqtedar Khan salaam aleikum,

ahh the irony, after initially giving the benefit of the doubt and joining the site (altMuslim) and then having been banned in short order from this quack site (altMuslim) now the charlatans finally coming out of the closet with their true colors, sympathies, and trying to apologize for progressive sympathies. The best comment on this blog is this one:

>Working with DHS huh? How about we also >work with US Special OPs forces? That way, >when they “take out” (assassinate/murder) >a Muslim in some extra-judicial killing…a >“Muslim” would be the one pulling the >trigger. Sounds delicious!

akhi, there already is one “pro-regressive” (OmarG), that both DrM and I mopped the floor with numerous times. He was proud of his “service” killing muslims in Iraq (as mentioned on his own blog) and went on defending his true master and lords (the U.S. army) ON altMuslim right thru the gang raping and burning alive of the Iraqi girl in Basra. Of course, this is the “brotherhood” and “pluralism” that all of us must embrace as part and parcel of “progressive” Islam.

As for Muqtedar, we were able to use this delicious quote from him for 2 jum’ah khutbahs in our area:

“It is time that we acknowledge that the freedoms we enjoy in the US are more desirable to us than superficial solidarity with the Muslim World.”

–Muqtedar Khan

]]> By: Anon http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-3404 Anon Sat, 09 Jun 2007 03:47:59 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-3404 authobillah!!! What a horrible site! May Allah replace it with one that is better. authobillah!!!
What a horrible site! May Allah replace it with one that is better.

]]> By: Bander http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-3388 Bander Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:04:04 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-3388 I used to visit altmuslim quite frequently. I saw some things I objected to but I tolerated them (in part because I enjoyed reading DrM's comments). However when I came upon the article linked in my name suggesting that the Prophet Ibraahim may have been a mushrik, in utter disgust I stopped visiting the site. I used to visit altmuslim quite frequently. I saw some things I objected to but I tolerated them (in part because I enjoyed reading DrM’s comments). However when I came upon the article linked in my name suggesting that the Prophet Ibraahim may have been a mushrik, in utter disgust I stopped visiting the site.

]]> By: DrM http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-3386 DrM Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:14:47 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-3386 MPAC volunteer's are good hearted people, I ran into some of them at last years immigration rally. However their leadership is corrupt, with the likes of Salam Al-Maryati and Sarah Eltantawy running about. Muqtedar Khan is an embarrassment whose relentless attempts to promote himself have made him the laughing stock of Muslim academics. The guy is a self-descriped Kissinger wannabe and brown sahib desi with delusions of grandeur. MPAC volunteer’s are good hearted people, I ran into some of them at last years immigration rally. However their leadership is corrupt, with the likes of Salam Al-Maryati and Sarah Eltantawy running about.
Muqtedar Khan is an embarrassment whose relentless attempts to promote himself have made him the laughing stock of Muslim academics. The guy is a self-descriped Kissinger wannabe and brown sahib desi with delusions of grandeur.

]]> By: Amad http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-3380 Amad Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:56:08 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/06/06/the-rand-plan-in-the-works/#comment-3380 wasalam Bro Shahed... I am glad that you will look into the alignment. Also, I tried to avoid conflating in an absolute sense, your views with the website's; so in my comment above, I was referring to YOU with regards to your goal being dissimilar to PMUNA. I cannot come to the same conclusion w/r to the website, because the first 4 writers I did a bit of looking into turned up even more stuff on half of them: 1) Aslam Abdullah- <a href="http://www.ibn.net/page.asp?pg=elections" rel="nofollow">Progressive Islamic Thought and Human Rights</a>; a speech he gave. And don't tell me he is also part of MPAC. MPAC is a political PAC, it does not claim to speak for Muslim opinions; it does not intend to form or mold Muslim opinion; it is more of a lobbying organization as you well know. 2) Junaid Afeef <a href="http://www.altmuslim.com/perm.php?id=1413_0_25_0_C37" rel="nofollow">supporting </a> Asra Nomani’s “struggles”: <blockquote>All things considered, Ms. Nomani's struggle is inspiring… Ms. Nomani's methods may not be the least intrusive means of dealing with these problems, but they certainly are very promising. </blockquote> And your own bit on her (linked above) as well as the piece for Sania, which was strange to say the least, on a mainstream Muslim blog. I mean if you would mention it, wouldn't it be pertinent to mention that what she is doing is REALLY Islamically wrong? Anyway, I'll get more info. as time permits. Clearly bro, orthodoxy is hardly reflected in many of the articles I have seen so far.... More to come. Finally, I am only doing this because you asked for evidence. And you seem sincere in listening to folks, so hopefully, it will help your realignment if and when you attempt it, inshallah. wasalam Bro Shahed… I am glad that you will look into the alignment. Also, I tried to avoid conflating in an absolute sense, your views with the website’s; so in my comment above, I was referring to YOU with regards to your goal being dissimilar to PMUNA. I cannot come to the same conclusion w/r to the website, because the first 4 writers I did a bit of looking into turned up even more stuff on half of them:

1) Aslam Abdullah- Progressive Islamic Thought and Human Rights; a speech he gave. And don’t tell me he is also part of MPAC. MPAC is a political PAC, it does not claim to speak for Muslim opinions; it does not intend to form or mold Muslim opinion; it is more of a lobbying organization as you well know.

2) Junaid Afeef supporting Asra Nomani’s “struggles”:

All things considered, Ms. Nomani’s struggle is inspiring… Ms. Nomani’s methods may not be the least intrusive means of dealing with these problems, but they certainly are very promising.

And your own bit on her (linked above) as well as the piece for Sania, which was strange to say the least, on a mainstream Muslim blog. I mean if you would mention it, wouldn’t it be pertinent to mention that what she is doing is REALLY Islamically wrong?

Anyway, I’ll get more info. as time permits. Clearly bro, orthodoxy is hardly reflected in many of the articles I have seen so far…. More to come.

Finally, I am only doing this because you asked for evidence. And you seem sincere in listening to folks, so hopefully, it will help your realignment if and when you attempt it, inshallah.

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