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		<title>By: Ibrahim</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/24/what-do-we-do/#comment-3485</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibrahim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also take the “board of directors” to task&#8212;those who established the school and brought such teachers from Pakistan or wherever. I agree with people that this school should be shut down to stop such abuse and to prevent this from becoming a fodder for those who would love to make this an &#8220;example&#8221; of Islam.</p>
<p>Also, I just want to point out to people to read some sentences of the post with caution.  Some, especially people born and raised in the West, could get the idea that the &#8220;Pakistani model&#8221; of a madrasah is what that has been described here.  Yes, abuse is real and that happens in some madaaris back in Pakistan, but the level of abuse and other filthy conditions described here is exception rather than a rule. So, be careful how you word the post. If I weren’t from a Muslim country, I would think shoot, this is how Islamic schools are run there. These madaaris serve a noble mission and almost all people come out of them respecting and loving Islam and Quran and sunnah and not being scared of reciting the Quran!  If that weren’t the case, many people who come out of these madaaris in Pakistan would despise reading Quran and following Islam, which isn’t the case.</p>
<p>I can bet the teachers running this madrasah are villager/&#8217;arabi/non-worldy and in fact illiterate. Yes, they might know some Quran and tajweed and some rudimentary stuff on Islam, but they don’t have proper understanding of this religion&#8212;the education, the knowledge, the mannerism, the maturity that Islam helps develop. People who have lived in Pakistan would know what I mean.  </p>
<p>And, just to clarify&#8212;this is not a discriminatory remark on villagers.  But, even in hadith books you read that an ‘arabi came and started relieving himself in the masjid, etc. etc.  The point is if you come from an uneducated environment (like most villages might) and you only stay at the fringes of knowledge of Islam (like learning to read Quran (not understanding), some basic stuff about how to pray, etc.) you can end up with a distorted understanding that can lead to applying old, uncivilized mannerism in teaching Islam, such as the case here.</p>
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		<title>By: doobiedoo</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/24/what-do-we-do/#comment-3199</link>
		<dc:creator>doobiedoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely disagree with solving this probably &quot;internally&quot; and I don&#039;t buy into the argument of not airing the dirty laundry because it&#039;ll give people something else to complain about muslims.   Embarrassment and public humiliation work wonderfully when it comes to solving problems caused by adults.  I think the public authorities like social services should be notified and involved.  The Catholic Church is a prime example of what happens when you attempt to solve your problems without notifying the proper authorities because they don&#039;t want to air their dirty laundry.  And look how well that worked :sarcasm:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely disagree with solving this probably &#8220;internally&#8221; and I don&#8217;t buy into the argument of not airing the dirty laundry because it&#8217;ll give people something else to complain about muslims.   Embarrassment and public humiliation work wonderfully when it comes to solving problems caused by adults.  I think the public authorities like social services should be notified and involved.  The Catholic Church is a prime example of what happens when you attempt to solve your problems without notifying the proper authorities because they don&#8217;t want to air their dirty laundry.  And look how well that worked :sarcasm:</p>
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		<title>By: Umm Layth</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/24/what-do-we-do/#comment-3177</link>
		<dc:creator>Umm Layth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 22:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as-Salaamu `alaykum

Stand strong. Replace the trouble makers. Tell parents to take care of their children and not to whine when they are to blame for leaving them there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as-Salaamu `alaykum</p>
<p>Stand strong. Replace the trouble makers. Tell parents to take care of their children and not to whine when they are to blame for leaving them there.</p>
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		<title>By: AnonyMouse</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/24/what-do-we-do/#comment-3176</link>
		<dc:creator>AnonyMouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 21:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JazakAllahu khair to everyone who commented... this is such a serious matter, and I fully intend to do something about it (whatever it is that I &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; do). 

Please make du&#039;aa that we&#039;re able to stop this injustice and cruelty, and that we have the strength, patience, courage, and faith to withstand the numerous obstacles we&#039;ll face in doing so...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JazakAllahu khair to everyone who commented&#8230; this is such a serious matter, and I fully intend to do something about it (whatever it is that I <i>can</i> do). </p>
<p>Please make du&#8217;aa that we&#8217;re able to stop this injustice and cruelty, and that we have the strength, patience, courage, and faith to withstand the numerous obstacles we&#8217;ll face in doing so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Bakr</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/24/what-do-we-do/#comment-3175</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Bakr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 18:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think it can or should be salvaged: the men who are running this school have amply proven they cannot be trusted to take care of children.

My point: shut it down</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think it can or should be salvaged: the men who are running this school have amply proven they cannot be trusted to take care of children.</p>
<p>My point: shut it down</p>
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		<title>By: Um Abdullah</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/24/what-do-we-do/#comment-3173</link>
		<dc:creator>Um Abdullah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 13:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bro. Amad an excellent comment.

Its completely about hiding dirty laundry. Its also about not trusting outsiders which is common in many insular communities.  But we live in 21t century.  Commenters here sound like the mafia.   

How about the culture of sexual abuse in Madrassas, which is real.  It still exists because no one wants to talk about it or get anyone in trouble.  Well its a pathetic excuse and when we see our children leaving Islam left and right (as many are although we are in denial about it) we will know why. More importantly we as a community we will be held accountable on the day of judgment for not protecting children, who are given to us as a trust from Allah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bro. Amad an excellent comment.</p>
<p>Its completely about hiding dirty laundry. Its also about not trusting outsiders which is common in many insular communities.  But we live in 21t century.  Commenters here sound like the mafia.   </p>
<p>How about the culture of sexual abuse in Madrassas, which is real.  It still exists because no one wants to talk about it or get anyone in trouble.  Well its a pathetic excuse and when we see our children leaving Islam left and right (as many are although we are in denial about it) we will know why. More importantly we as a community we will be held accountable on the day of judgment for not protecting children, who are given to us as a trust from Allah.</p>
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		<title>By: Didi</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/24/what-do-we-do/#comment-3171</link>
		<dc:creator>Didi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 02:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you sent your children to a non-muslim school and they were subjected to this level of abuse, you would alert the school board immediately. The same should apply to muslim schools. These people are beating your children. Alert the authorities. 

I understand that you&#039;re concened about putting muslims in a bad light, but if this is how you treat your children, you deserve all the negative publicity you get. All the media is going to do is report the truth, and if you&#039;re so concerned about that, then maybe you should abandon your medieval ways and move into the 21st century, where people don&#039;t feel that they have the right to beat each other senseless for tiny things like having imperfect diction. 

If you live in western countries, you have to abide by western laws. It&#039;s illegal in western countries to beat children, so these people are breaking the law and should be locked up. QED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you sent your children to a non-muslim school and they were subjected to this level of abuse, you would alert the school board immediately. The same should apply to muslim schools. These people are beating your children. Alert the authorities. </p>
<p>I understand that you&#8217;re concened about putting muslims in a bad light, but if this is how you treat your children, you deserve all the negative publicity you get. All the media is going to do is report the truth, and if you&#8217;re so concerned about that, then maybe you should abandon your medieval ways and move into the 21st century, where people don&#8217;t feel that they have the right to beat each other senseless for tiny things like having imperfect diction. </p>
<p>If you live in western countries, you have to abide by western laws. It&#8217;s illegal in western countries to beat children, so these people are breaking the law and should be locked up. QED.</p>
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		<title>By: AnonyMouse</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/24/what-do-we-do/#comment-3170</link>
		<dc:creator>AnonyMouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 00:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about not having responded to any of the comments yet; I&#039;ll get to that tomorrow, insha&#039;Allah...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about not having responded to any of the comments yet; I&#8217;ll get to that tomorrow, insha&#8217;Allah&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AbdulHasib</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/24/what-do-we-do/#comment-3162</link>
		<dc:creator>AbdulHasib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 19:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As-salaamu &#039;alaikum wa rahmatAllah,

Um.. just a helpful suggestion.

Can the people who are trying to make a point, actually go ahead and make their point. 

It&#039;s almost a task trying to sift through all the superflous, seemingly didactic, and tacit sentence structure to actually find, much less decode, your respected points.

My point: Just get to the point -).

JazaakumAllahukhairan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As-salaamu &#8216;alaikum wa rahmatAllah,</p>
<p>Um.. just a helpful suggestion.</p>
<p>Can the people who are trying to make a point, actually go ahead and make their point. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s almost a task trying to sift through all the superflous, seemingly didactic, and tacit sentence structure to actually find, much less decode, your respected points.</p>
<p>My point: Just get to the point -).</p>
<p>JazaakumAllahukhairan</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmad AlFarsi</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/24/what-do-we-do/#comment-3159</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmad AlFarsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 18:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalaamu alaykum,

I think my point was greatly misunderstood... it is not about &quot;hiding dirty laundry&quot; at all.  I will write a more detailed reply later inshaAllah when I have time.

Wassalaam,
Ahmad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalaamu alaykum,</p>
<p>I think my point was greatly misunderstood&#8230; it is not about &#8220;hiding dirty laundry&#8221; at all.  I will write a more detailed reply later inshaAllah when I have time.</p>
<p>Wassalaam,<br />
Ahmad</p>
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