Comments on: Beware the Do-Gooders in Body Armor: The True Motives of those in Support of Divestment in Sudan http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/ Discourses in the Intellectual Traditions, Political Situation, and Social Ethics of Muslim Life Tue, 22 May 2012 19:03:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Suhail http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3242 Suhail Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:23:57 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3242 Assalaamu Alykum, By the way one question? When they talk about arab sudanese and black sudanese that gets me confusing. I guess there are no arabs in sudan. The arab sudanese are black who speak arabis while the people from darfur speak native language. Thats what i got the impression. Correct me if i am wrong. Jazakallah Khair Suhail Assalaamu Alykum,

By the way one question?

When they talk about arab sudanese and black sudanese that gets me confusing. I guess there are no arabs in sudan. The arab sudanese are black who speak arabis while the people from darfur speak native language. Thats what i got the impression.

Correct me if i am wrong.

Jazakallah Khair
Suhail

]]> By: SrAnonymous http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3234 SrAnonymous Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:32:06 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3234 In light of Bush's new divestment campaign, thanks for this article! In light of Bush’s new divestment campaign, thanks for this article!

]]> By: inexplicabletimelessness http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3202 inexplicabletimelessness Wed, 30 May 2007 02:02:30 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3202 As Salaamu alaikum: An update: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/29/bush.sudan/index.html As Salaamu alaikum:

An update:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/29/bush.sudan/index.html

]]> By: Ron http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3084 Ron Wed, 23 May 2007 22:44:37 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3084 Divestment is a good strategy to stop the of funding the Sudanese Government's Arabization policy. I remember being in college and giving a lecture between the relationship of Israeli and South African (apartheid) governments. During my research, I found many African and Arab governments had under the table traded with the South African Government, but my fervor in faith would not allow me to acknowledge painful truths. As you mature, the truth becomes more important than holding on to what we wish things to be in life. I hope in all humility that Islam will allow that to happen for you brothers. Salam Divestment is a good strategy to stop the of funding the Sudanese Government’s Arabization policy.

I remember being in college and giving a lecture between the relationship of Israeli and South African (apartheid) governments. During my research, I found many African and Arab governments had under the table traded with the South African Government, but my fervor in faith would not allow me to acknowledge painful truths. As you mature, the truth becomes more important than holding on to what we wish things to be in life.

I hope in all humility that Islam will allow that to happen for you brothers.

Salam

]]> By: Ron http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3082 Ron Wed, 23 May 2007 22:35:32 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3082 We all know historically speaks muslims have not really worried about what other people think of us as a group because of our diversity and strength. We are own worst enemies if we do not allow criticism and justice to thrive. The Darfur issue has a lot to do with a culture of negationism among our brothers and sisters. For instance, Pakistan still has a strong caste system that does not allow Islam to flourish in the way it does. Do you seriously think that injustice within muslims societies will not be exploited by anti-muslims. Moreover, the tribalism in Nigeria among the Yorubas, Fulanis and Hausas will be used against them to pillage their resources and weaken their economies. We as muslims must speak out against injustice. I would look like a hyprocrite if I yelled louder about what is happening in Israel and the Palestian areas versus what is happening in Darfur, South Sudan, Mauritania, and Yemen to people of African descent. Black skin of Africans is no longer an excuse to treat them unfairly. I know that many of the problems of Africans is self-inflicted but racism in Islam will continue to create more enemies for muslims. Salam We all know historically speaks muslims have not really worried about what other people think of us as a group because of our diversity and strength. We are own worst enemies if we do not allow criticism and justice to thrive. The Darfur issue has a lot to do with a culture of negationism among our brothers and sisters. For instance, Pakistan still has a strong caste system that does not allow Islam to flourish in the way it does. Do you seriously think that injustice within muslims societies will not be exploited by anti-muslims. Moreover, the tribalism in Nigeria among the Yorubas, Fulanis and Hausas will be used against them to pillage their resources and weaken their economies.

We as muslims must speak out against injustice. I would look like a hyprocrite if I yelled louder about what is happening in Israel and the Palestian areas versus what is happening in Darfur, South Sudan, Mauritania, and Yemen to people of African descent.

Black skin of Africans is no longer an excuse to treat them unfairly.

I know that many of the problems of Africans is self-inflicted but racism in Islam will continue to create more enemies for muslims.

Salam

]]> By: Amad http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3075 Amad Wed, 23 May 2007 20:00:41 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3075 Br. Ron, I don't think anyone who responded to you is in fact an Arab... in fact I know that. So, why would we have any Arab superiority qualms or even try to defend such racism? Having said that, can we go back to what bothers you specifically about the post? Br. Ron, I don’t think anyone who responded to you is in fact an Arab… in fact I know that. So, why would we have any Arab superiority qualms or even try to defend such racism?

Having said that, can we go back to what bothers you specifically about the post?

]]> By: Ron http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3073 Ron Wed, 23 May 2007 19:45:24 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3073 Its so funny that more muslims will be killed because others call into question their "muslimness." What a pity!!! Its so funny that more muslims will be killed because others call into question their “muslimness.” What a pity!!!

]]> By: Ron http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3072 Ron Wed, 23 May 2007 19:42:59 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3072 We are very much contributors to the two major parties and play our part in civil society. I do not want hear all this old talk about non-muslims helping muslims and motives. Talk is cheap and the bottom line is that you better choose Islam over Arabism. Yes - I know plenty of Sudanese particulary Western Sudanese who have ties to the Greater Western Sudan (i.e., niger, chad, nigeria, and senegal). There is no Gd but Allah and submission to Arabism and Arabization will never happen!!! The fight is just now beginning to gain momentum. We love our Arabs brothers but we will not tolerate domination from anyone!!! We are very much contributors to the two major parties and play our part in civil society. I do not want hear all this old talk about non-muslims helping muslims and motives. Talk is cheap and the bottom line is that you better choose Islam over Arabism. Yes – I know plenty of Sudanese particulary Western Sudanese who have ties to the Greater Western Sudan (i.e., niger, chad, nigeria, and senegal).

There is no Gd but Allah and submission to Arabism and Arabization will never happen!!! The fight is just now beginning to gain momentum.

We love our Arabs brothers but we will not tolerate domination from anyone!!!

]]> By: Abu Bakr http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3034 Abu Bakr Wed, 23 May 2007 03:19:09 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3034 Ron, unfortunately you overlooked an important fact: you are not an important contributor to the campaigns of the two Major Parties... but the oil companies are :) Ron, unfortunately you overlooked an important fact: you are not an important contributor to the campaigns of the two Major Parties… but the oil companies are :)

]]> By: Ahmad AlFarsi http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3029 Ahmad AlFarsi Tue, 22 May 2007 22:56:25 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/17/beware-the-do-gooders-in-body-armor-the-true-motives-of-those-in-support-of-divestment-in-sudan/#comment-3029 Assalaamu alaykum Ron, You wrote: <blockquote> Real muslims will fight for Darfur and fake ones will continue to embrace Arab supremacy. </blockquote> True Muslims will always fight for justice... let's make that clear. BUT a true Muslim would NEVER seek protection/support (wilaayah) from the kuffar... and any "smart" Muslim would realize that the Divestment campaign would cause more harm than good to those who are suffering. Sudan, or any other Muslim problem, is just that... a MUSLIM problem... i.e. an internal Muslim problem. We do not need nor will we ever accept the help of the kuffar. We can handle our problems internally bi idhnillaah. And by the way, fighting with the kuffar against any Muslim, is tantamount to kufr... even if the kuffar claim to be fighting for 'noble causes'... and by now we should be smart enough to know that that is not nor has ever been the case. Ron, have you talked to any Sudanese Muslims about what they think? I have, and it is pretty obvious to them as well that they do not in the least want any external sanctions/divestment/soldiers. Can we not take a lesson from history? Pleaes keep in mind, Ron, that our stance against divestment has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with "Arab Supremacy" as you called it... it has to do with "leave the kuffar out of it!" Wassalaam Assalaamu alaykum Ron,

You wrote:

Real muslims will fight for Darfur and fake ones will continue to embrace Arab supremacy.

True Muslims will always fight for justice… let’s make that clear. BUT a true Muslim would NEVER seek protection/support (wilaayah) from the kuffar… and any “smart” Muslim would realize that the Divestment campaign would cause more harm than good to those who are suffering.

Sudan, or any other Muslim problem, is just that… a MUSLIM problem… i.e. an internal Muslim problem. We do not need nor will we ever accept the help of the kuffar. We can handle our problems internally bi idhnillaah.

And by the way, fighting with the kuffar against any Muslim, is tantamount to kufr… even if the kuffar claim to be fighting for ‘noble causes’… and by now we should be smart enough to know that that is not nor has ever been the case.

Ron, have you talked to any Sudanese Muslims about what they think? I have, and it is pretty obvious to them as well that they do not in the least want any external sanctions/divestment/soldiers. Can we not take a lesson from history?

Pleaes keep in mind, Ron, that our stance against divestment has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with “Arab Supremacy” as you called it… it has to do with “leave the kuffar out of it!”

Wassalaam

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