JD: I’m pleased that you find it “good” to engage the “likes” of me. I am surprised that you think that somewhere in our dialogue I have employed “scanty logic”. Do you mean scanty “facts”, perhaps?

I would really reccomend that you try reading the Quran with an open heart and a desire to learn.

I have read some of the Koran, only to appreciate better the Jewish rejection of both Islam and Christianity as summed up by the phrase: “What is true in them is not new, and what is new in them is not true.” Perhaps you’d like to study the Torah and Talmud to see for yourself? Oh, that’s right, our rabbis don’t permit Muslims to study these with us – they’re afraid you’ll lose your belief in G-d and become athiests!

Amad: I could deconstruct the film you linked to, but why should that be my responsibility? You’re not any less intelligent than I am. Don’t you think you have an obligation to check it out yourself, rather than blindly accept it at face value?

Rather than more tedious dialogue and analysis, I recommend the following video to each of you. You’ll have to watch the whole thing to get it, but it’s easy viewing, especially if you like cartoons about the Hereafter:
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I had a brief look at the youtube film linked in your posting. It looks really good. I didnt have time today, but will snuggle up later on the sofa and watch it.

Thanks for posting the link.

I do believe that it is good to engage even with the likes of you to show all the scanty logic used in your non-arguments. It is this scanty logic taken directly from the protocols of your leaders such as kahanists that has been applied by the whole Zionist movement both Internationally and specifically in evicting the poor Palestinians, continuously murdering them today, causing wars in Iraq, pushing for other wars (Iran) and destabilizing the whole of the middle east.

I will not debate any further with you about whether this is evil or good as I think it is clear for all to see that your questionable intent is sprinkeled by a covering of deliberate denial.

However, I end this “debate” with you on the note that your ilk have had it good so far but it is now the beginning of the end. It may get bad before it gets better for our Ummah, but for sure it is not going to get any better for your ilk. Pehaps it is time to crawl out of the state of denial and take accountability.

I would like to say that I will see you on some other thread, but based on the use of your scanty logic here I cannot really see myself rushing in to “debate” with you elsewhere.

I do always believe though that a leopard can change its spots and I would really reccomend that you try reading the Quran with an open heart and a desire to learn. This process could end up changing you for the better.

Like how the Israelis got up and left Gaza, is that what you mean? There were many debates about where to establish a Jewish state at the beginning of the Zionist movement. The Ottomans offerred Mesopotamia and were rejected. The Brits offerred beautiful Uganda and that was taken very seriously, but the ultimate decision was that the only region of the world the Jews has a historical claim to their own state was Palestine. Immigration began as a trickle, as only the worst land was for sale, and swamps had to be drained and deserts recontoured for agriculture. Then the Brits issued the Balfour Declaration. seeking in exchange that the Jews would join the British, Arabs, and Kurds in the battle to free the middle east from Ottoman domination and give Arabs, Jews, and Kurds alike a chance for self-rule. The Kurds got shafted, and the land promised to the Jews was later reduced by two-thirds.

The Holocaust made the creation of Israel an imperative, but did not alter the substance of the bargain. Why, then, do you call upon the Israelis to show further goodwill – and this time by departing the region entirely? Is that not an EVIL impulse on your part?

I’m an American. I don’t watch TV much, but the typical “suffering humiliation” complaint I see on TV is somebody complaining that they are being delayed by Israeli roadblocks. That seems rather puny and indeed rather humane treatment, considering the threats to Israel from suicide bombers and rocket attacks. The “suffering” angle has been covered by reporters but it is getting to be old news, I think. Besides, with what is going on in Gaza and Lebanon today, why would people believe stories blaming “Zionists” for Palestinians troubles?

If anyone thinks that the reporting in America on the Israeli occupation is biased in Palestinian favor, then he or she is either (a) on AIPAC-administered drugs or (b) deranged.

One can only admire the mind that possesses such absolute knowledge, right? The “bias” the MSM naturally takes is that of profit, not propaganda.

As for Carter: He discovered some time ago that he could not always be both honest and neutral and made his choice. I did not suggest that he was seeking monetary or material gain, so why do you accuse me of this “utter nonsense”?

I think we are going in circles now and it is obvious that your only goal here is to present a one-sided, bigoted view of Israel.

I disagree about the “going in circles” part, because we’ve come a long way. However, Shavuos starts in a few hours so I’ll be incommunicado for over two days. I’ll try to pick up this thread and answer questions afterwards, if you so desire.