Comments on: Get that Hijab Away… Turkey’s Secularists Traumatized! (2 UPDATES) http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/ Discourses in the Intellectual Traditions, Political Situation, and Social Ethics of Muslim Life Tue, 22 May 2012 19:03:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: randominitializer http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-69576 randominitializer Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:43:37 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-69576 This is one interesting forum you have got here brothers(and sisters!). I just Discovered this site accidentally and quite pleased now that I did so. One question that I really need to be clear about is whether Ataturk was a Muslim or a Freemason? I have found some non-Muslim scholarly sources where the scholars argued with evidence that Ataturk was a freemason. Can somebody shed some light here? This is one interesting forum you have got here brothers(and sisters!). I just Discovered this site accidentally and quite pleased now that I did so. One question that I really need to be clear about is whether Ataturk was a Muslim or a Freemason? I have found some non-Muslim scholarly sources where the scholars argued with evidence that Ataturk was a freemason. Can somebody shed some light here?

]]> By: Ismail http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-57564 Ismail Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:42:33 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-57564 Don't these secularists, the self-proclaimed "champions of democracy and humanity" think they're surrounded by enemies who need to be annihilated? The "Islamists", the Kurds, the Armenians, the Greeks, the Cypriots etc. Just remember; they can plot and plan however much they want to, but Allah is the best of planners, as evidenced by the changing climate of Turkey. Don’t these secularists, the self-proclaimed “champions of democracy and humanity” think they’re surrounded by enemies who need to be annihilated? The “Islamists”, the Kurds, the Armenians, the Greeks, the Cypriots etc.

Just remember; they can plot and plan however much they want to, but Allah is the best of planners, as evidenced by the changing climate of Turkey.

]]> By: Tolga http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-28672 Tolga Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:28:36 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-28672 i read you comment.. and i awfully see how you beleive what you want to believe. Just smiling at you :). The turkey is mainly secularist.Sheria law is in the too long past. Even no one arguae about sheria law is good or not. If you wish you may i have no objection with my respect. i read you comment.. and i awfully see how you beleive what you want to believe. Just smiling at you :). The turkey is mainly secularist.Sheria law is in the too long past. Even no one arguae about sheria law is good or not. If you wish you may i have no objection with my respect.

]]> By: Soma http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-24030 Soma Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:42:27 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-24030 <a href="http://google.com/group/soma-for-you/web/" rel="nofollow">Soma</a> would make you happy! http://google.com/group/soma-for-you/web/ Soma would make you happy!

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]]> By: Adnan`s Crazy Blogging World » Blog Archive » ‘Islam reloaded’ in Turkey http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-14767 Adnan`s Crazy Blogging World » Blog Archive » ‘Islam reloaded’ in Turkey Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:45:15 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-14767 [...] same turkey who believes in freedom of speech of their own style. The “modern” Muslim secular state where people protest if First Lady of the country wears Hijab. tsk [...] [...] same turkey who believes in freedom of speech of their own style. The “modern” Muslim secular state where people protest if First Lady of the country wears Hijab. tsk [...]

]]> By: Amad http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-14160 Amad Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:37:43 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-14160 Sorry to rub it in Dudu but ur hardcore, radical extremist, ataturk-butt-kissers r no longer in power. The hijab is now allowed again alhamdulillah. Your oppression of muslim women by forbidding their freedom of expression and religion by forcing them to choose between education and a piece of cloth is OVER. Shame on the so-called secularists for being afraid of a simple piece of cloth. You can oppress everyday muslimS but u can't remove the love of Allah from their hearts. Oh and we'll talk about our bros and sis in turkey as much as we want because the ties of faith that bind us muslims far outweigh your artificial and hollow ties of nationalism and radical secularism. Turkey's Muslims 1, Turkeys fascist secularist 0 Sorry to rub it in Dudu but ur hardcore, radical extremist, ataturk-butt-kissers r no longer in power. The hijab is now allowed again alhamdulillah. Your oppression of muslim women by forbidding their freedom of expression and religion by forcing them to choose between education and a piece of cloth is OVER.

Shame on the so-called secularists for being afraid of a simple piece of cloth. You can oppress everyday muslimS but u can’t remove the love of Allah from their hearts.

Oh and we’ll talk about our bros and sis in turkey as much as we want because the ties of faith that bind us muslims far outweigh your artificial and hollow ties of nationalism and radical secularism.

Turkey’s Muslims 1, Turkeys fascist secularist 0

]]> By: Dudu http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-14157 Dudu Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:02:09 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-14157 You are all absulatelythe most ignorant people I've ever seen. In Turkey seculars are not minority,religious votes are estimated to be 20-25%,not all AKP voters are religious. BSecularism is part of Turkish identity,who the hell are you to talk about my country's leader and my people in that way? Tehere'sd no place for arab culture in my land! You are all absulatelythe most ignorant people I’ve ever seen. In Turkey seculars are not minority,religious votes are estimated to be 20-25%,not all AKP voters are religious. BSecularism is part of Turkish identity,who the hell are you to talk about my country’s leader and my people in that way? Tehere’sd no place for arab culture in my land!

]]> By: Amim http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-9009 Amim Sun, 04 Nov 2007 10:16:01 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-9009 My sincere advice is .. study the arabic language and learn it well enough to understand the quran and dont claim supremacy over others by confining yourself to nationalistic fervour. My favourite cartoon was the conquest of Istanbul (constantinopole) ... and leading from the front was Sultan Muhammad II (son of Sultan Murad II). We are proud of the righteous rulers from the Usmani Khilafat ( Ottoman) .. and we are also proud of Iranian contribution to Islam. Islam is Allah's deen and who is better than Him as the protector. You will meet many wonderful people in the west who are non-muslims and some of them will definitely enter Islam as they are all hungry for answers. So brother turan, please dont do yourself any disservice by denying the truth. Do you not fear Him ? Study Islam, learn the arabic language and i am sure one day you will not refute the truth. May Allah guide you. Best wishes from Amim, Bangladesh. rica ederim. My sincere advice is .. study the arabic language and learn it well enough to understand the quran and dont claim supremacy over others by confining yourself to nationalistic fervour.

My favourite cartoon was the conquest of Istanbul (constantinopole) … and leading from the front was Sultan Muhammad II (son of Sultan Murad II).

We are proud of the righteous rulers from the Usmani Khilafat ( Ottoman) .. and we are also proud of Iranian contribution to Islam.

Islam is Allah’s deen and who is better than Him as the protector. You will meet many wonderful people in the west who are non-muslims and some of them will definitely enter Islam as they are all hungry for answers. So brother turan, please dont do yourself any disservice by denying the truth. Do you not fear Him ?

Study Islam, learn the arabic language and i am sure one day you will not refute the truth.

May Allah guide you.

Best wishes from Amim, Bangladesh.

rica ederim.

]]> By: Amim http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-9006 Amim Sun, 04 Nov 2007 09:59:24 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-9006 Dear brothers & sisters, Please dont take Br. Turan to be the sole representative of the muslims in turkey. I have met wonderful muslims from Turkey in Australia. We are muslims first ... having submitted to the will of Allah. On the topic of Br. Turan's refusal to accept the islamic tradition of Hijab. Please see the wikipedic entry below. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jilbab The plural of jilbāb, jalabib, is found in the Qur'an, verse 33:59 (sura Al-Ahzab). The verse in transliterated Arabic and the translation of Yusuf Ali goes: Ya ayyuha an-Nabiyy qul li azwajika wa banatika wa nisa al-mu'minin yudnina alayhinna min jalabib hinna; dhalika adna an yu'rafna fa laa yu'dhayn. Wa kana Allahu Ghafur Rahim O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their [jalabib] (Jilbabs) over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. The word jilbab is also found in some hadith (oral traditions later recorded). One such hadith follows: Narrated Umm Atiyya: We were ordered to bring out our menstruating women and screened women to the religious gatherings and invocation of the Muslims on the two Eid festivals. These menstruating women were to keep away from the musalla. A woman asked, "O Messenger of Allah! What about one who does not have a jilbab?". He said, "Let her borrow the jilbab of her companion". (Sahih Bukhari, Book 8, #347) You can also find Kemal Ataturk & his wife's photo wearing jilbab. Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan and muslim community in India contributes more than half a billion muslims. 85% muslims are non-arabs. To deepen our understanding of Islam, we must study in Arabic. Its not to say that Urdu, Turkish, Bengali are not useful languages ..... even if you know arabic, that alone wont qualify you to deny islamic scholastic tradition since 6th century. There are issues we dont need to argue about and hijab is one of these. I am not sure whats Br Turan's intentions are. May Allah SWT guide him to the right path. Dear brothers & sisters,

Please dont take Br. Turan to be the sole representative of the muslims in turkey. I have met wonderful muslims from Turkey in Australia.

We are muslims first … having submitted to the will of Allah.

On the topic of Br. Turan’s refusal to accept the islamic tradition of Hijab. Please see the wikipedic entry below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jilbab

The plural of jilbāb, jalabib, is found in the Qur’an, verse 33:59 (sura Al-Ahzab). The verse in transliterated Arabic and the translation of Yusuf Ali goes:

Ya ayyuha an-Nabiyy qul li azwajika wa banatika wa nisa al-mu’minin yudnina alayhinna min jalabib hinna; dhalika adna an yu’rafna fa laa yu’dhayn. Wa kana Allahu Ghafur Rahim

O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their [jalabib] (Jilbabs) over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

The word jilbab is also found in some hadith (oral traditions later recorded). One such hadith follows:

Narrated Umm Atiyya: We were ordered to bring out our menstruating women and screened women to the religious gatherings and invocation of the Muslims on the two Eid festivals. These menstruating women were to keep away from the musalla. A woman asked, “O Messenger of Allah! What about one who does not have a jilbab?”. He said, “Let her borrow the jilbab of her companion”. (Sahih Bukhari, Book 8, #347)

You can also find Kemal Ataturk & his wife’s photo wearing jilbab.

Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan and muslim community in India contributes more than half a billion muslims.

85% muslims are non-arabs. To deepen our understanding of Islam, we must study in Arabic. Its not to say that Urdu, Turkish, Bengali are not useful languages ….. even if you know arabic, that alone wont qualify you to deny islamic scholastic tradition since 6th century.

There are issues we dont need to argue about and hijab is one of these.

I am not sure whats Br Turan’s intentions are.

May Allah SWT guide him to the right path.

]]> By: Dhulqarnain http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-8997 Dhulqarnain Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:22:50 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/05/01/get-that-hijab-away-turkeys-secularists-traumatized/#comment-8997 Turkey is the most Extreme secular country in the World! They are worse than All the Secular countries COMBINED!! What i think is a disgrace, is that even the so-called "muslims" support this radical view!! Those Muslim Countries that adopt man-made Laws, are insulting the Infinite Wisdom of Allah('azza wa jal), and i'm not only mentioning Turkey, but even the Country where my parents were born(morocco) also share this Insulting View!! I sincerely hope that a Taliban Style Movement with the Efficiency of Iran, would Arise in Morocco!! I would leave Europe and Join my TRUE Brothers in Islam to make G'ds Law as the Highest Law in the land!! Insha'Allah! Turkey is the most Extreme secular country in the World!
They are worse than All the Secular countries COMBINED!!
What i think is a disgrace, is that even the so-called “muslims” support this radical view!!
Those Muslim Countries that adopt man-made Laws, are insulting the Infinite Wisdom of Allah(‘azza wa jal), and i’m not only mentioning Turkey, but even the Country where my parents were born(morocco) also share this Insulting View!!
I sincerely hope that a Taliban Style Movement with the Efficiency of Iran, would Arise in Morocco!!
I would leave Europe and Join my TRUE Brothers in Islam to make G’ds Law as the Highest Law in the land!!
Insha’Allah!

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