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		<title>By: Faye</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/27/growing-shiitization/#comment-15425</link>
		<dc:creator>Faye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*Comment removed. We are not interested in Shia propaganda.We will certainly not allow any comment that implicitly or explicitly insults the Prophet (S)&#039;s companions and his wives. You guys should think a million times before trying to put the status of Aisha (RD) down, in whose defense Allah HIMSELF revealed Quranic verses -MM&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><strong>*Comment removed. We are not interested in Shia propaganda.We will certainly not allow any comment that implicitly or explicitly insults the Prophet (S)&#8217;s companions and his wives. You guys should think a million times before trying to put the status of Aisha (RD) down, in whose defense Allah HIMSELF revealed Quranic verses -MM</strong></em></p>
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		<title>By: AbdulHasib</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/27/growing-shiitization/#comment-7551</link>
		<dc:creator>AbdulHasib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ MR

Salaamu&#039;alaikum wa rahmatAllah,

The issue here is not questioning the Will of God. It&#039;s supporting these people out of emotional vangaurd.

Ideaologies such as the Ikhwaan al Muslimeen (who even are now starting to retract their positions with their &quot;It&#039;s all good&quot; attitude.), and others, that poison the youth and lay people&#039;s minds to pile them on their agenda. This is nothing new, rather a manifestation of what the scholars of Ahl As-Sunnah mentioned; i.e. the one who takes up a matter greater and considers it more important than being firm in his belief in God (his &#039;Aqeedah), how does he expect Allah to grant him victory?

And even to the point that this day we hear today supposed scholars, and teachers, and those whom the masses &#039;rush&#039; to, saying things like (and i quote)

&quot;&#039;Aqeedah is over talked about.&quot;

&quot;What is this Tawheed, Tawheed, Tawheed..&quot;

This poison in people&#039;s minds leads them astray. 

And it is nothing but what the Prophet salAllahu &#039;alaihee wa sallam mentioned in the hadith of ibn &#039;Omar radyAllahu &#039;anh

&quot;Verily, some speech contains in it magic.&quot;

Magic just to dazzle and glaze over the eyes of their listeners leading them into the light.. of an on-coming car.

Indeed it is the Will of God, but God clearly says in Surat An Nisa

وَمَن يُشَاقِقِ الرَّسُولَ مِن بَعْدِ مَا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُ الْهُدَى وَيَتَّبِعْ غَيْرَ سَبِيلِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ نُوَلِّهِ مَا تَوَلَّى وَنُصْلِهِ جَهَنَّمَ وَسَاءتْ مَصِيراً 

115: And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad salAllahu &#039;alaiheew a sallam) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers&#039; way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination.

And wAllahi we make the du&#039;a of Musa &#039;alaihis salaam in this blessed month in this regard, and we ask that may Allah accept it, where he said in Surat Al Ma&#039;idah 

قَالَ رَبِّ إِنِّي لا أَمْلِكُ إِلاَّ نَفْسِي وَأَخِي فَافْرُقْ بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَ الْقَوْمِ الْفَاسِقِينَ 

25. He [Musa (Moses)] said: &quot;O my Lord! I have power only over myself and my brother, so separate us from the people who are the Fasiqun (rebellious and defiantly disobedient people to Allah and His Messenger and the Sahabah who followed them.)!&quot;

May Allah give us the success to see the truth as the truth, and see the falsehood as falsehood, and not die except upon Islam and the Sunnah. Ameen.


and
@Logic, asking for sources..

Make sense out of this for me please, because I sincerely ask, anyone calling to Guidance can say such a thing:

Khomeini’s Teachings on sex with infants and animals

Islamic Teachings on sex with infants:

“A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister.”

The complete Persian text of this saying can be found in “Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrirolvasyleh, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom”

I can&#039;t help but think out of all of this, what ibnul Qayyim rahimahullah mentioned,

How strange is it indeed,
&quot;If you ask the Jews who was the best among you after Moses (&#039;alaihis salaam)?
They will say the Companions of Moses.

And if you ask the Christians who was the best among you after Jesus (&#039;alaihis salaam)?
They will say the Apostles of Jesus.

But if you ask the Raafidi who is the worst among you? 
He says the companions of Muhammad (salAllahu &#039;alaihee wa sallam).&quot;

May Allah reward brother Tariq..

And a suggestion to Muslim Matters as the last 10 nights approach... focusing insha&#039;aAllah on posts to benefit the readers in that regard -).

WAllahu &#039;Alam
WAs-salaamu &#039;alaikum wa rahmatAllah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ MR</p>
<p>Salaamu&#8217;alaikum wa rahmatAllah,</p>
<p>The issue here is not questioning the Will of God. It&#8217;s supporting these people out of emotional vangaurd.</p>
<p>Ideaologies such as the Ikhwaan al Muslimeen (who even are now starting to retract their positions with their &#8220;It&#8217;s all good&#8221; attitude.), and others, that poison the youth and lay people&#8217;s minds to pile them on their agenda. This is nothing new, rather a manifestation of what the scholars of Ahl As-Sunnah mentioned; i.e. the one who takes up a matter greater and considers it more important than being firm in his belief in God (his &#8216;Aqeedah), how does he expect Allah to grant him victory?</p>
<p>And even to the point that this day we hear today supposed scholars, and teachers, and those whom the masses &#8216;rush&#8217; to, saying things like (and i quote)</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;Aqeedah is over talked about.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;What is this Tawheed, Tawheed, Tawheed..&#8221;</p>
<p>This poison in people&#8217;s minds leads them astray. </p>
<p>And it is nothing but what the Prophet salAllahu &#8216;alaihee wa sallam mentioned in the hadith of ibn &#8216;Omar radyAllahu &#8216;anh</p>
<p>&#8220;Verily, some speech contains in it magic.&#8221;</p>
<p>Magic just to dazzle and glaze over the eyes of their listeners leading them into the light.. of an on-coming car.</p>
<p>Indeed it is the Will of God, but God clearly says in Surat An Nisa</p>
<p>وَمَن يُشَاقِقِ الرَّسُولَ مِن بَعْدِ مَا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُ الْهُدَى وَيَتَّبِعْ غَيْرَ سَبِيلِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ نُوَلِّهِ مَا تَوَلَّى وَنُصْلِهِ جَهَنَّمَ وَسَاءتْ مَصِيراً </p>
<p>115: And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad salAllahu &#8216;alaiheew a sallam) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers&#8217; way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell &#8211; what an evil destination.</p>
<p>And wAllahi we make the du&#8217;a of Musa &#8216;alaihis salaam in this blessed month in this regard, and we ask that may Allah accept it, where he said in Surat Al Ma&#8217;idah </p>
<p>قَالَ رَبِّ إِنِّي لا أَمْلِكُ إِلاَّ نَفْسِي وَأَخِي فَافْرُقْ بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَ الْقَوْمِ الْفَاسِقِينَ </p>
<p>25. He [Musa (Moses)] said: &#8220;O my Lord! I have power only over myself and my brother, so separate us from the people who are the Fasiqun (rebellious and defiantly disobedient people to Allah and His Messenger and the Sahabah who followed them.)!&#8221;</p>
<p>May Allah give us the success to see the truth as the truth, and see the falsehood as falsehood, and not die except upon Islam and the Sunnah. Ameen.</p>
<p>and<br />
@Logic, asking for sources..</p>
<p>Make sense out of this for me please, because I sincerely ask, anyone calling to Guidance can say such a thing:</p>
<p>Khomeini’s Teachings on sex with infants and animals</p>
<p>Islamic Teachings on sex with infants:</p>
<p>“A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister.”</p>
<p>The complete Persian text of this saying can be found in “Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrirolvasyleh, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom”</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but think out of all of this, what ibnul Qayyim rahimahullah mentioned,</p>
<p>How strange is it indeed,<br />
&#8220;If you ask the Jews who was the best among you after Moses (&#8216;alaihis salaam)?<br />
They will say the Companions of Moses.</p>
<p>And if you ask the Christians who was the best among you after Jesus (&#8216;alaihis salaam)?<br />
They will say the Apostles of Jesus.</p>
<p>But if you ask the Raafidi who is the worst among you?<br />
He says the companions of Muhammad (salAllahu &#8216;alaihee wa sallam).&#8221;</p>
<p>May Allah reward brother Tariq..</p>
<p>And a suggestion to Muslim Matters as the last 10 nights approach&#8230; focusing insha&#8217;aAllah on posts to benefit the readers in that regard -).</p>
<p>WAllahu &#8216;Alam<br />
WAs-salaamu &#8216;alaikum wa rahmatAllah</p>
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		<title>By: abu khaled</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/27/growing-shiitization/#comment-7511</link>
		<dc:creator>abu khaled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, when the Mehdi does finally arrive, these poor Shia are going to be so sorely disappointed that they be-all-end-all doesn&#039;t support them.

BTW, man with a name like Abu-Bakr, thats a name that calls it out, I&#039;m Ahlus-Sunnah, theres no doubt in a name like that, lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, when the Mehdi does finally arrive, these poor Shia are going to be so sorely disappointed that they be-all-end-all doesn&#8217;t support them.</p>
<p>BTW, man with a name like Abu-Bakr, thats a name that calls it out, I&#8217;m Ahlus-Sunnah, theres no doubt in a name like that, lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Zahra Billoo</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/27/growing-shiitization/#comment-7486</link>
		<dc:creator>Zahra Billoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very much with MR on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very much with MR on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Hassan</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/27/growing-shiitization/#comment-2319</link>
		<dc:creator>Hassan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Logic your comment was moved to another place where same discussion was going. But if you want, I guess, the editor can move it back here, no big deal perhaps, it should not have caused you to leave.

I asked you one simple question. What is your kalimah, and if you can provide proof that it needs to be that way, from Quran and sunnah. And if people who converted at time of prophet Muhammad PBUH recited that. If you do not answer, I would consider you do not have answer. If you consider us dumb cows, kindly for sake of dawah, play flute one more time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logic your comment was moved to another place where same discussion was going. But if you want, I guess, the editor can move it back here, no big deal perhaps, it should not have caused you to leave.</p>
<p>I asked you one simple question. What is your kalimah, and if you can provide proof that it needs to be that way, from Quran and sunnah. And if people who converted at time of prophet Muhammad PBUH recited that. If you do not answer, I would consider you do not have answer. If you consider us dumb cows, kindly for sake of dawah, play flute one more time.</p>
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		<title>By: logic</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/27/growing-shiitization/#comment-2316</link>
		<dc:creator>logic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess i should have known better then to play the flute in front of cows. Finally it has resorted to biased editing and my time is more important then the opinion you hold of Shias.

Dude the last 2 paragraphs of my coments were in relation to topic in hand and the remaining were from sahih sunni hadith book.

That being said i am out if you wish to discuss this further google my nick and i will be more then happy to address every point made on the Sahabas and how wrongly addressed it was.

I still hold strong to the fact that nobody has bought proof on How sahabas are a point of Aqeedah!! 

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Hold your horses a bit. Your comments were not deleted but moved to the &#039;theological topic&#039; rather than the political one. &lt;a href=&quot;http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/30/the-status-of-the-companions-in-light-of-the-quran/#comment-2303&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This is where it was moved.&lt;/a&gt; -MM&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess i should have known better then to play the flute in front of cows. Finally it has resorted to biased editing and my time is more important then the opinion you hold of Shias.</p>
<p>Dude the last 2 paragraphs of my coments were in relation to topic in hand and the remaining were from sahih sunni hadith book.</p>
<p>That being said i am out if you wish to discuss this further google my nick and i will be more then happy to address every point made on the Sahabas and how wrongly addressed it was.</p>
<p>I still hold strong to the fact that nobody has bought proof on How sahabas are a point of Aqeedah!! </p>
<p><em><strong>Hold your horses a bit. Your comments were not deleted but moved to the &#8216;theological topic&#8217; rather than the political one. <a href="http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/30/the-status-of-the-companions-in-light-of-the-quran/#comment-2303" rel="nofollow">This is where it was moved.</a> -MM</strong></em></p>
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		<title>By: Hassan</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/27/growing-shiitization/#comment-2306</link>
		<dc:creator>Hassan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Logic, Allah would be your witness, you do not need me. And I want to know what is your kalimah and if you have any proof from Quran and Hadith that we all should say that kalimah to be muslim. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logic, Allah would be your witness, you do not need me. And I want to know what is your kalimah and if you have any proof from Quran and Hadith that we all should say that kalimah to be muslim. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: logic</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/27/growing-shiitization/#comment-2302</link>
		<dc:creator>logic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hassan somehow i think you are fimiliar with my Shahada but i can repeat it in front of you if you promise to be my witness on the day of Qiyamat. IF you cant do that then let my lord be the judge
&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;
The bulk of this comment has been moved to the appropriate topic of Sahabas in the Quran. Also, folks, let&#039;s keep our comments non-personal and non-direct. The better way to ask would be, &quot;Is the Shia kalimah different&quot;? Simple yes or no, Logic? -MM&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hassan somehow i think you are fimiliar with my Shahada but i can repeat it in front of you if you promise to be my witness on the day of Qiyamat. IF you cant do that then let my lord be the judge<br />
<em><strong><br />
The bulk of this comment has been moved to the appropriate topic of Sahabas in the Quran. Also, folks, let&#8217;s keep our comments non-personal and non-direct. The better way to ask would be, &#8220;Is the Shia kalimah different&#8221;? Simple yes or no, Logic? -MM</strong></em></p>
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		<title>By: ibnabeeomar</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/27/growing-shiitization/#comment-2281</link>
		<dc:creator>ibnabeeomar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the post on the sahabah is up now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the post on the sahabah is up now.</p>
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		<title>By: Amad</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/27/growing-shiitization/#comment-2256</link>
		<dc:creator>Amad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MR, on the larger question of whether we should care if sunnis become shias... I believe not only should we care, but if we don&#039;t care, then it reflects on our own concern about our deen. 

For instance, if we see a large social problem brewing in our community, like a spike in divorce rate, etc., I believe it will be the responsibility of the community or at least some people in it to look into it. Isn&#039;t it then more deserving to see people move from a faith revolving around the Sahabah as a whole, to a faith that is revolves around a small percent of it? And not only that, a faith that though is still within the larger circle of Islam inshallah, has still many fundamental creedal differences from the Ahl-Sunnah. I think we SHOULD and NEED to care.

If we pull ourselves back into the original subject of the topic, it is even more important that we consider the consequences of this. Because when conversions are driven by other than matters of faith, then the end-result could be disastrous and a total loss of faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MR, on the larger question of whether we should care if sunnis become shias&#8230; I believe not only should we care, but if we don&#8217;t care, then it reflects on our own concern about our deen. </p>
<p>For instance, if we see a large social problem brewing in our community, like a spike in divorce rate, etc., I believe it will be the responsibility of the community or at least some people in it to look into it. Isn&#8217;t it then more deserving to see people move from a faith revolving around the Sahabah as a whole, to a faith that is revolves around a small percent of it? And not only that, a faith that though is still within the larger circle of Islam inshallah, has still many fundamental creedal differences from the Ahl-Sunnah. I think we SHOULD and NEED to care.</p>
<p>If we pull ourselves back into the original subject of the topic, it is even more important that we consider the consequences of this. Because when conversions are driven by other than matters of faith, then the end-result could be disastrous and a total loss of faith.</p>
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