Comments on: We Hear and We Obey http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/ Discourses in the Intellectual Traditions, Political Situation, and Social Ethics of Muslim Life Tue, 22 May 2012 19:03:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Open Thread Sunday 6-22-08 | MuslimMatters.org http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-21457 Open Thread Sunday 6-22-08 | MuslimMatters.org Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:40:58 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-21457 [...] We Hear and We Obey A Simple Matter of Disagreement? Of Mice and Men: The Cheese Factor [...] [...] We Hear and We Obey A Simple Matter of Disagreement? Of Mice and Men: The Cheese Factor [...]

]]> By: Abul-Hussein http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-1752 Abul-Hussein Sun, 15 Apr 2007 03:28:40 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-1752 AS It is nice to hear such honesty rarely is it brought forth and contributes to the problem. many people feel and or think like you akhi Musa. It becomes overwhelming to see the Muslims in the condition that we are in. We must say that "you must learn" --you have to study this is the only way out of this intellectual chaos. First, focus on a diet of the Qur'an and a small does of hadith like 40 hadith. Keep it simple. Any book in fiqh at a basic level is ok dont get into the politics of it all. Then while studying get familiar with the objectives of the Shariah there is a lecture online somewhere on this topic. With the objective of the Shariah you train your mind to judge matters at least in a decent way that in rooted in Shariah. {maqasid ash-shariah} Focus on a curriculum and study hard and ask Allah {swt} to help us all. If you trust me and need help or want to help me email me I am at your service. Always search for what is agreed upon before what is disagreed upon. Because we have little access to Ulema in the West you have to do for yourself and that means study and search for your knowledge. AS Abul-Hussein Shaukani.Wordpress AS

It is nice to hear such honesty rarely is it brought forth and contributes to the problem. many people feel and or think like you akhi Musa. It becomes overwhelming to see the Muslims in the condition that we are in.

We must say that “you must learn” –you have to study this is the only way out of this intellectual chaos. First, focus on a diet of the Qur’an and a small does of hadith like 40 hadith. Keep it simple. Any book in fiqh at a basic level is ok dont get into the politics of it all.

Then while studying get familiar with the objectives of the Shariah there is a lecture online somewhere on this topic. With the objective of the Shariah you train your mind to judge matters at least in a decent way that in rooted in Shariah. {maqasid ash-shariah}

Focus on a curriculum and study hard and ask Allah {swt} to help us all.

If you trust me and need help or want to help me email me I am at your service.

Always search for what is agreed upon before what is disagreed upon. Because we have little access to Ulema in the West you have to do for yourself and that means study and search for your knowledge.

AS

Abul-Hussein
Shaukani.Wordpress

]]> By: nuqtah http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-1729 nuqtah Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:04:07 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-1729 What I don't understand is, how do people asrtain which opinion is *strongest*, unless they are mujtahidun? What I don’t understand is, how do people asrtain which opinion is *strongest*, unless they are mujtahidun?

]]> By: AnonyMouse http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-1688 AnonyMouse Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:34:13 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-1688 LOL @ sis inexplicable!!! :D LOL @ sis inexplicable!!! :D

]]> By: inexplicabletimelessness http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-1685 inexplicabletimelessness Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:31:26 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-1685 Wa alaikum as salaam For many of us here, it means comparing the fatwas between Islam-QA and Islamtoday. :D wAllahu a'alam. Wa alaikum as salaam

For many of us here, it means comparing the fatwas between Islam-QA and Islamtoday. :D

wAllahu a’alam.

]]> By: Abu Bakr http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-1680 Abu Bakr Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:05:53 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-1680 I think the ideal balance for the non-scholar is to look for scholars whom he trusts but at the same time, don't rent out your brain to someone else so that he can place whatever he likes inside it. it is exactly this approach to the religion that has allowed misconceptions and misguidance to become widespread. it is wajib on every muslim to read the Qur'an for himself... anyone who has truly done that with an open heart and mind would never dare to go fatwa shopping so as to justify his mortgage or anything else along those lines I think the ideal balance for the non-scholar is to look for scholars whom he trusts but at the same time, don’t rent out your brain to someone else so that he can place whatever he likes inside it.

it is exactly this approach to the religion that has allowed misconceptions and misguidance to become widespread. it is wajib on every muslim to read the Qur’an for himself… anyone who has truly done that with an open heart and mind would never dare to go fatwa shopping so as to justify his mortgage or anything else along those lines

]]> By: AnonyMouse http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-1671 AnonyMouse Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:14:01 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-1671 As-salaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatu, I dunno where I fit in... basically, what my family does is what my dad ascertains is the right opinion (which he does after comparing the opinions and seeing which one's evidence is strongest). So that's point 7 that brother Shahzad mentioned in his first post... Of course, not everyone can do that 'cuz they don't know how to tell if the evidence is strongest or not! Going to, or having gone to, an Islamic university (like my dad) helps a lot, though... -Mouse As-salaamu ‘alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatu,

I dunno where I fit in… basically, what my family does is what my dad ascertains is the right opinion (which he does after comparing the opinions and seeing which one’s evidence is strongest). So that’s point 7 that brother Shahzad mentioned in his first post…

Of course, not everyone can do that ‘cuz they don’t know how to tell if the evidence is strongest or not! Going to, or having gone to, an Islamic university (like my dad) helps a lot, though…

-Mouse

]]> By: Suhail http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-1669 Suhail Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:59:08 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-1669 Assalaamu Alykum, Shiekh ul Islam Ibn Taymiyyah said that a layman had no madhab. This means that basically a person is on the madhab of the mufti he is following. As such a person like me and other common muslims dont have any knowledge of the madhab so sticking to it is baseless. Sticking to a madhab is for a student of knowledge who is studying usul al fiqh and learning that madhab. For a layman we just have to ask a mufti about our doubts and obey it. As Allah said that if you dont know ask someone who is more knowledgable. So really sticking to a madhab is a moot point here. Yes samina wa aatana is right but when it is according to the quran and sunnah not just based on cultural notions which are widespread. Remember folks when Allah said that rule by his law then it is just not for the rulers but for the layman also. Our lives should be governed by the laws of Allah Subhanahuwa taala. Jazakallah Khair Suhail Assalaamu Alykum,

Shiekh ul Islam Ibn Taymiyyah said that a layman had no madhab. This means that basically a person is on the madhab of the mufti he is following.

As such a person like me and other common muslims dont have any knowledge of the madhab so sticking to it is baseless. Sticking to a madhab is for a student of knowledge who is studying usul al fiqh and learning that madhab.

For a layman we just have to ask a mufti about our doubts and obey it. As Allah said that if you dont know ask someone who is more knowledgable.

So really sticking to a madhab is a moot point here.

Yes samina wa aatana is right but when it is according to the quran and sunnah not just based on cultural notions which are widespread.

Remember folks when Allah said that rule by his law then it is just not for the rulers but for the layman also. Our lives should be governed by the laws of Allah Subhanahuwa taala.

Jazakallah Khair
Suhail

]]> By: inexplicabletimelessness http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-1654 inexplicabletimelessness Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:02:57 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-1654 As salaamu alaikum: for related info, check out sheikh Yasir's lecture called "The Role of Reason and Intellect in Islam" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixc3_Niv0WU As salaamu alaikum:

for related info, check out sheikh Yasir’s lecture called “The Role of Reason and Intellect in Islam”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixc3_Niv0WU

]]> By: Musa Maguire http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-1642 Musa Maguire Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:07:37 +0000 http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/11/we-hear-and-we-obey/#comment-1642 There is also the issue of information overload. We have access to every variety of scholarly opinion and sectarian position. In the West our communities often reflect the same blend. Without doubt, this is a unique and defining feature of our age. There is also the issue of information overload. We have access to every variety of scholarly opinion and sectarian position. In the West our communities often reflect the same blend. Without doubt, this is a unique and defining feature of our age.

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