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	<title>Comments on: Seek Knowledge as Far as China&#8230; Really?</title>
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		<title>By: Where is Islam in Islamic Republic of Pakistan? - Page 27</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/03/09/seek-knowledge-as-far-as-china-really/#comment-87289</link>
		<dc:creator>Where is Islam in Islamic Republic of Pakistan? - Page 27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Originally Posted by Aeon   Allah said to go even to China for knowledge.    This is 100% wrong. The word China was never used by Allah or Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).  Check this: Seek Knowledge as Far as China&#8230; Really? &#124; MuslimMatters.org [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Originally Posted by Aeon   Allah said to go even to China for knowledge.    This is 100% wrong. The word China was never used by Allah or Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).  Check this: Seek Knowledge as Far as China&#8230; Really? | MuslimMatters.org [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Imam Khan Makhtum</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/03/09/seek-knowledge-as-far-as-china-really/#comment-67562</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Imam Khan Makhtum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 11:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THREE HADITH ON  CHINA, INDIA, TURKEY

Ancient China and India were respectively known to the Arabs as As-Sin and Al-Hind respectively, with whom they had trade connection both on land and sea-routes, mainly on silk-routes. There were sea-silk routes too.
 About the need to go to China even, to educate is a genuine hadith and it is much popular among the Arabs and Persians to abouth this hadith of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) and they really believe it is shahi/genuine hadith. Look:

Mohd. Sharif Khan, 1986, Islamic Education, New Delhi: Ashish Publishing House, page, 15- quoted the hadith on the authority/ reference of Ibn Adi (925 AD) and Abul Fazl Baihaqi that :

         &quot;Obtain Knowlwdge even if in China&quot; 
                                    (Ibn Adi &amp; Behaqi).

It will be a great disservice if you, in lack of knowledge and research, try to discredit this hadith. Prophet (pbuh) only stressed on secular education, which is much essential to know the Holy Quran in letter and spirit. Some Anogo-American, and European authours try to discredit this hadith, thus trying to belittle the all round achievement of early Chinese education. We also find a hadith that &quot;Heaven smells from the East (India?)&quot;.

     Another Hadith: &quot;Learn the language of the Turks, for they will have a long reign&quot; (Muhammad al-Kashghari, 940 AD).
     (see the &quot;Bulletin of the School of African and Oriental Studies&quot;, University of London London, vol XLI, part  
                       1, 1986, page 69).

 see the Seljuk Turk who arose out of Abbasid Empire/Baghdad of the Turks in c. 1056 AD from whom the Ottoman Empire (1299-1924 AD) sprung up which ruled much of SE Europe, N. Africa, Arabia, ex-Ummayad and ex-Abbasid domains.

Don&#039;t be surprised by such Hadith. The Rashidi Khalifs ruled in 632-661 AD only, Ummayad in 661-750 only and Abbasid in 750-1258 AD only. Take the single example, Ottoman/Usman Empire that ruled for more than 600 years, when Musatafa Kamal Pasha abolished the Caliphate in 1924. Even today, Turkish role in Islamic Affairs is paramount. Its Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan was recently conferred the Arab Nobel Prize for Service to Islam by king Abdullah of Saudi Arabia. Even OIC General Secretary is Ecmeleddin Ishanoglu, a Turk. How true the latter Hadith is which the Prophet spelt out in his lifetime!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THREE HADITH ON  CHINA, INDIA, TURKEY</p>
<p>Ancient China and India were respectively known to the Arabs as As-Sin and Al-Hind respectively, with whom they had trade connection both on land and sea-routes, mainly on silk-routes. There were sea-silk routes too.<br />
 About the need to go to China even, to educate is a genuine hadith and it is much popular among the Arabs and Persians to abouth this hadith of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) and they really believe it is shahi/genuine hadith. Look:</p>
<p>Mohd. Sharif Khan, 1986, Islamic Education, New Delhi: Ashish Publishing House, page, 15- quoted the hadith on the authority/ reference of Ibn Adi (925 AD) and Abul Fazl Baihaqi that :</p>
<p>         &#8220;Obtain Knowlwdge even if in China&#8221;<br />
                                    (Ibn Adi &amp; Behaqi).</p>
<p>It will be a great disservice if you, in lack of knowledge and research, try to discredit this hadith. Prophet (pbuh) only stressed on secular education, which is much essential to know the Holy Quran in letter and spirit. Some Anogo-American, and European authours try to discredit this hadith, thus trying to belittle the all round achievement of early Chinese education. We also find a hadith that &#8220;Heaven smells from the East (India?)&#8221;.</p>
<p>     Another Hadith: &#8220;Learn the language of the Turks, for they will have a long reign&#8221; (Muhammad al-Kashghari, 940 AD).<br />
     (see the &#8220;Bulletin of the School of African and Oriental Studies&#8221;, University of London London, vol XLI, part<br />
                       1, 1986, page 69).</p>
<p> see the Seljuk Turk who arose out of Abbasid Empire/Baghdad of the Turks in c. 1056 AD from whom the Ottoman Empire (1299-1924 AD) sprung up which ruled much of SE Europe, N. Africa, Arabia, ex-Ummayad and ex-Abbasid domains.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be surprised by such Hadith. The Rashidi Khalifs ruled in 632-661 AD only, Ummayad in 661-750 only and Abbasid in 750-1258 AD only. Take the single example, Ottoman/Usman Empire that ruled for more than 600 years, when Musatafa Kamal Pasha abolished the Caliphate in 1924. Even today, Turkish role in Islamic Affairs is paramount. Its Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan was recently conferred the Arab Nobel Prize for Service to Islam by king Abdullah of Saudi Arabia. Even OIC General Secretary is Ecmeleddin Ishanoglu, a Turk. How true the latter Hadith is which the Prophet spelt out in his lifetime!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Islam in China &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Authenticity of China Hadith</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/03/09/seek-knowledge-as-far-as-china-really/#comment-38053</link>
		<dc:creator>Islam in China &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Authenticity of China Hadith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] weak, there is also a different opinion on this matter. There was a debate on this hadith in the comments section of the the muslimmatters blog earlier this years. He is a relevant excerpt from the comments. Some of the “heavy hitters” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] weak, there is also a different opinion on this matter. There was a debate on this hadith in the comments section of the the muslimmatters blog earlier this years. He is a relevant excerpt from the comments. Some of the “heavy hitters” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Suhail</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/03/09/seek-knowledge-as-far-as-china-really/#comment-21311</link>
		<dc:creator>Suhail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is this have to do with chinese and non chinese muslims. It has only to do with the authenticity of this narration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is this have to do with chinese and non chinese muslims. It has only to do with the authenticity of this narration.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharif</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/03/09/seek-knowledge-as-far-as-china-really/#comment-21298</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t even sound like a hadith of the prophet (saw).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t even sound like a hadith of the prophet (saw).</p>
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		<title>By: TuhfaSino</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/03/09/seek-knowledge-as-far-as-china-really/#comment-21292</link>
		<dc:creator>TuhfaSino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting!

Maybe we should focus on the reason for the widespread of this narration (I won&#039;t call it hadith) and learn something from it.

It basically contained the essential ingredients of a viral campaign: to show off.

So, Chinese Muslims use this narration to their advantage, and non-Chinese Muslims use it too to show off that Islam is inclusive.

Also, China as a destination of knowledge and civilization is another good point to make this narration spread. Just like quoting, hey do you know our prophet (SAW) said, &quot;Seek knowledge even in Harvard or Oxford.&quot;

So, brothers and sisters, as with many other discussions about religion or politics, try to be nice and save your opponent face.

IMHO, most of the people who quote this narration don&#039;t want to declare it as unauthentic, (maybe it&#039;s not as much as asking a priest to say trinity is wrong, but more like retracting the thing they showed off for years)... suddenly they are no longer cool, suddenly their PR slogan is attacked... Again, I&#039;m not talking about scholars, I&#039;m talking about regular people who blindly copy/pasting their favorite opinion just because that fits their comfort zone.

As for authenticity: Was the word &quot;China&quot; or &quot;Seen&quot; known to Arabs at the time of the Prophet (SAW)? Check some old maps and you will be surprised.

May Allah reward all of you and gather us again in Jannah

Your Chinese brother who of the opinion that we shouldn&#039;t attribute this narration to the Prophet (SAW) when we have so much doubts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting!</p>
<p>Maybe we should focus on the reason for the widespread of this narration (I won&#8217;t call it hadith) and learn something from it.</p>
<p>It basically contained the essential ingredients of a viral campaign: to show off.</p>
<p>So, Chinese Muslims use this narration to their advantage, and non-Chinese Muslims use it too to show off that Islam is inclusive.</p>
<p>Also, China as a destination of knowledge and civilization is another good point to make this narration spread. Just like quoting, hey do you know our prophet (SAW) said, &#8220;Seek knowledge even in Harvard or Oxford.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, brothers and sisters, as with many other discussions about religion or politics, try to be nice and save your opponent face.</p>
<p>IMHO, most of the people who quote this narration don&#8217;t want to declare it as unauthentic, (maybe it&#8217;s not as much as asking a priest to say trinity is wrong, but more like retracting the thing they showed off for years)&#8230; suddenly they are no longer cool, suddenly their PR slogan is attacked&#8230; Again, I&#8217;m not talking about scholars, I&#8217;m talking about regular people who blindly copy/pasting their favorite opinion just because that fits their comfort zone.</p>
<p>As for authenticity: Was the word &#8220;China&#8221; or &#8220;Seen&#8221; known to Arabs at the time of the Prophet (SAW)? Check some old maps and you will be surprised.</p>
<p>May Allah reward all of you and gather us again in Jannah</p>
<p>Your Chinese brother who of the opinion that we shouldn&#8217;t attribute this narration to the Prophet (SAW) when we have so much doubts</p>
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		<title>By: Ismail sini</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/03/09/seek-knowledge-as-far-as-china-really/#comment-9415</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismail sini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was said that sahaba Saad ibn waqqas was buried in China.I guess someone will doubte this.Whether you can verify this,if you can find results in Shaykh Ibn Ibn Taimiyyah&#039;s works,it would be highly appreciated.But if you really can find the results in  the works of  Al Albaani,maybe most chinese muslim would be doubtful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was said that sahaba Saad ibn waqqas was buried in China.I guess someone will doubte this.Whether you can verify this,if you can find results in Shaykh Ibn Ibn Taimiyyah&#8217;s works,it would be highly appreciated.But if you really can find the results in  the works of  Al Albaani,maybe most chinese muslim would be doubtful.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Bakr</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/03/09/seek-knowledge-as-far-as-china-really/#comment-9101</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Bakr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it is an authentic hadith, then please tell us its isnad and which major works of hadith it is reported</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it is an authentic hadith, then please tell us its isnad and which major works of hadith it is reported</p>
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		<title>By: R.S</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/03/09/seek-knowledge-as-far-as-china-really/#comment-9100</link>
		<dc:creator>R.S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that the best hadiths are always considered weak while the stupid ones which doesn&#039;t make any sense considered authentic. hmm..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that the best hadiths are always considered weak while the stupid ones which doesn&#8217;t make any sense considered authentic. hmm..</p>
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		<title>By: Authenticity of &#8216;Seek knowledge even as far as China&#8217; &#171; Islam in China</title>
		<link>http://muslimmatters.org/2007/03/09/seek-knowledge-as-far-as-china-really/#comment-9096</link>
		<dc:creator>Authenticity of &#8216;Seek knowledge even as far as China&#8217; &#171; Islam in China</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] weak, there is also a different opinion on this matter. There was a debate on this hadith in the comments section of the the muslimmatters blog earlier this years. He is a relevant excerpt from the comments. Some of the “heavy hitters” [...]</description>
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